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You're a lawyer? I thought lawyers were highly educated people, who could use a spelling checker and write grammatically correct sentences, and could put forward a logical argument. You fail in each category. Look, if you start your post with "I am a lawyer for a V10 firm", appealing to the authority that this is supposed to give to your opinion, then you can expect us to shred this authority apart. If you had started saying "I am twelve years old and my dad says PCs rock", your post would have been forgivable, but not for someone who claims he is a lawyer.

Nobody has ever admitted that Apple cannot compete with the prices of other PC manufacturers. Fact is that Apple deliberately chooses not to compete on price. When a top manager at Apple says "we don't know how to build a laptop for under $500 that isn't crap" then we all add what he hasn't said: "... and neither does anyone else, but that doesn't stop them from selling laptops for under $500, and believe me, they are crap". Do you really think Apple builds the cases for its laptops from a single block of aluminium because they haven't figured out Dell's secret manufacturing process for cheap plastic cases?

And what is that nonsense "the only reason you buy a Macintosh is for looks/OS"? People make educated buying decisions. When they buy a computer, they weigh up multiple factors: Product quality, reliability, quality of service, reputation of the manufacturer, upgradability, green qualities, design, usability of the software, all added together and measured against price. Macs beat PCs selling at the same price in most of these measures, even though Apple sells Macs at a healthy profit, which most PC manufacturers don't. The whole package is better.

Then you make the claim "you can buy a cheaper PC [sic] than has better hardware than a [sic] MAC". You can buy a cheaper PC. You can buy a cheaper PC with a processor running at a higher clock speed. But that is not enough to make it "better hardware". "Better hardware" has to take most of the criteria into account that I mentioned, in fact all except "quality of service", "reputation of the manufacturer", and "usability of software". Product quality, reliability, upgradability, green qualities, and design are all things that count when you compare hardware. Once you stop pretending to be blind to the realities of life, you find that finding better PC hardware for less money than a Mac is really, really difficult. And it would have to be a lot cheaper, because if you don't take service quality and software quality in account, you are a fool.

Damn why can't most users on this forum reason like this.
 
That was filmed in Orange County, Ca... the Apple store in South Coast Plaza (Crystal Court), Best Buy near South Coast, and Fry's Electronics in Fountain Valley. I have even been helped by the guy at Fry's who helped him. Luckily I didn't come to the same conclusion.
 
Damn why can't most users on this forum reason like this.

Free will is a quality of humans. If everyone thought the same, acted the same, the world would be a boring place and we'd have nothing to discuss on here.

Hence why I can never understand these types of comments. Diversity makes the world go round.
 
You mean like $900 for a motherboard, $500 fir a $99 graphc card or $10,000 for 32 GB if ram. LOL.

Shir esse puuurtee though. Lol

You're woefully uninformed. Flash is not a standard, the Mac Pro costs less than comparative Dell boxes. You lose.

Free will is a quality of humans. If everyone thought the same, acted the same, the world would be a boring place and we'd have nothing to discuss on here.

Hence why I can never understand these types of comments. Diversity makes the world go round.

Yes, but intelligence shuts people up. If people were more INTELLIGENT in general, it would be fine if we had less to discuss.
 
I just saw the new UK iPhone "There's an app for that" advert, with the apple logo at the end. Makes Apple products look versatile and useful. The latest MS advert just makes me feel sorry for the guy, unless of course he can hack that laptop ;)
 
i think these ads have some merit

not gonna lie, i envy the hardware selection with windows immensely

This is the point all the Mac fans are missing and are really in denial about, Microsoft is praying on the gapping hole in the Apple line up and until Apple fills the void you can look for this type of ad to continue well into the future.

While some folks might call netbooks junk some folks love them and not everyone can afford a $1000 laptop just to surf the web and check their facebook account.

Its all about having a line up for the poorest John Doe in town and not just the elite creative professionals and that is clearly the intent of these ads. You can call the Windows OS junk and laugh all you want like it or not it is the only platform that the average working John Doe on budget can afford and truth be told its really all you need.

Yes the Apple OS is a wonderful tool for the creative professional but just how many folks are really rushing home at night and using FCP? the average user is surfing the net checking email and using the popular social networking sites like facebook etc. in which case you don't have to spend thousands of dollars for a machine or OS.
 
We are now paying people to buy PC Laptops...

What I think they're doing is attacking Apple's notebook marketshare BTW, which... I forget, but it's 50% or something crazy... maybe not that high? But I think it's significant.
 
OMG dude you're stupid. It's called an international corperation! Apple's HQ is in California their factories are in Asia! Those are still Apple employees just because its assembled overseas doesn't mean its not the same company dude. There are many other companies that do this. I'm a guitar player I should know, Fender and Gibson are guitar companies and they design their guitars in the US, Arizona for Fender, Tennessee for Gibson and those guitars are built in either Mexico or Asia in one of their factories

You might want to hesitate calling people stupid. Insults are bad form

Gibson and Fender, last I checked, are made in america. Some fender guitars are made in mexico, but the american series are made in america. They own the brands epiphone and squier that are made in japan.
 
This is the point all the Mac fans are missing and are really in denial about, Microsoft is praying on the gapping hole in the Apple line up and until Apple fills the void you can look for this type of ad to continue well into the future.

While some folks might call netbooks junk some folks love them and not everyone can afford a $1000 laptop just to surf the web and check their facebook account.

Its all about having a line up for the poorest John Doe in town and not just the elite creative professionals and that is clearly the intent of these ads. You can call the Windows OS junk and laugh all you want like it or not it is the only platform that the average working John Doe on budget can afford and truth be told its really all you need.

I'm going to have to agree. When people ask me for recommendations on a laptop (which is more often than I'd like), I rarely recommend a Macbook because each user has different needs and different budgets. For people that want a basic computer for a few hundred bucks, Apple really can't compete. Of course, Apple really isn't competing against cheap but their product line is still limited in comparison.
 
This is the point all the Mac fans are missing and are really in denial about, Microsoft is praying on the gapping hole in the Apple line up and until Apple fills the void you can look for this type of ad to continue well into the future.

Sir, this is the point which you are missing... Apple don't produce junk. They keep things to a minimal, they are known pretty well for their 'simplicity'.
 
This is the point all the Mac fans are missing and are really in denial about, Microsoft is praying on the gapping hole in the Apple line up and until Apple fills the void you can look for this type of ad to continue well into the future.

Which they are certainly entitled to do. There is absolutely nothing wrong with marketing products to a consumer sector that has less disposable income; those consumers need products just like every other demographic and they deserve to have those products.

However, this doesn't mean that Apple needs to go after that sector. Apple markets itself as a premium brand and doesn't feel the need to introduce a lower cost option in order to capture the lower income demographics. Apple produces a product at a specific cost which, if you factor in growing market share and stock price, works very well in the current market.

I look at these ads and my reaction is, "Of course. If you are selective about what qualities you are looking for from your machine, there will be times that the PC is the clear choice over the Mac, just as cloths from Old Navy will be the clear choice over cloths from AX if you limit yourself to certain criteria."

It doesn't mean that AX or Apple need to lower their prices, though; it just means that some people will choose to go with a different product because they place a higher value on certain factors.
 
Apple, OTOH, requires that you buy everything from them. So this comparision is not exactly accurate, IMO.

This is totally contrary to my experience. On my Quicksilver G4, I added RAM, replaced the hard drive, replaced the CD drive with a DVD writer, exchanged two fans, and added a printer and a new monitor, and a USB card, and none of these were made by Apple. On my MacBook, there is RAM, hard drive, new battery, new charger, and none were bought from Apple (although the battery and the charger look suspiciously like the plant that builds them for Apple has done an extra shift :eek: ).

So I don't quite understand where you get this from.
 
This is the point all the Mac fans are missing and are really in denial about, Microsoft is praying on the gapping hole in the Apple line up and until Apple fills the void you can look for this type of ad to continue well into the future.

And here's the point every MS shill and/or troll doesn't understand. Mac fans know about and understand fully the gapping hole in the Apple line-up, hence why they are always saying things like : "Stop comparing apples to oranges, that's not what the Apple XXXXXXXX competes against".
 
Gibson and Fender, last I checked, are made in america. Some fender guitars are made in mexico, but the american series are made in america. They own the brands epiphone and squier that are made in japan.

All Gibson's are American made. Fender's can be American, Mexican, Japanese or Korean.
 
I don't understand how you can say Mac's are not about power when the industry standard pretty much uses intel architecture... and Mac's have the ability to run windows... these commercials are nothing but invalid arguments and stabs at apple...
 
And here's the point every MS shill and/or troll doesn't understand. Mac fans know about and understand fully the gapping hole in the Apple line-up, hence why they are always saying things like : "Stop comparing apples to oranges, that's not what the Apple XXXXXXXX competes against".

Eh, if you read some of the responses in the first commercial thread, I'd say a lot of people are delusional and out of touch with reality. Apple and Windows fans alike. I wonder if we'll get some gems in this thread.

*shakes magic 8 ball*

"All signs point to yes."
 
Make money buy a real computer

People are sheep watch them go for this ad and think it's the right thing. I really don't care let them get viruses and harsh support.:apple:
 
And a consumer would be genuinely interested in those applications because ? Those aren't the kind of software you find off the shelves or run on a cheap HP laptop...

I am a consumer ain't I?
I could care less what the majority says/thinks. I use what gets the job done best for me and not how hyped a product is.
 
i think these ads have some merit

not gonna lie, i envy the hardware selection with windows immensly

It's that huge hardware base that helps to make Windows the unstable mess that it is. Apple, Sun, and other companies that value stability, reliability, and user experience specifically choose to limit the hardware base so that they can thoroughly test the drivers and OS while making sure that the speed and stability meet user needs. It's all of the unforeseen, and untestable, combination of hardware and drivers that adds to the instability of Windows. My Mac Pro has an Nvidia 8800GT. If I want something faster, Apple offers the ATI Radeon 4870. If I want something cheaper, Apple offers that, too. I don't need to have a selection of 10,000 video cards.
 
AT&T sells the iphone. Does Apple advertise AT&T? No.

wait. So those contracts that said at&t weren't from AT&T at the apple store and apple doesn't get $20.00 per month per user as states inthe Apple/AT&T licensing agreement?

Oh sure they do. Don't let the rainbows blur your vision LOL.
 
Eh, if you read some of the responses in the first commercial thread, I'd say a lot of people are delusional and out of touch with reality. Apple and Windows fans alike. I wonder if we'll get some gems in this thread.

Wait, you're saying Apple fans saying you can't compare that 699$ 17" HP to a MBP 17" are delusional ?

Ok...
 
This is the point all the Mac fans are missing and are really in denial about, Microsoft is praying on the gapping hole in the Apple line up and until Apple fills the void you can look for this type of ad to continue well into the future.

While some folks might call netbooks junk some folks love them and not everyone can afford a $1000 laptop just to surf the web and check their facebook account.

Its all about having a line up for the poorest John Doe in town and not just the elite creative professionals and that is clearly the intent of these ads. You can call the Windows OS junk and laugh all you want like it or not it is the only platform that the average working John Doe on budget can afford and truth be told its really all you need.

Us creatives need the tech and if you don't need so much, you get a MB. But if all you want to do is surf the web and check your facebook account, get an iphone. There's no point in owning any computer with more computing power than the current iphone if that's the only purpose for it. In any event, the tablet will soon be here. :D I think that will fill that gap nicely, but once again, will probably be geared towards those of us who would like to do some serious computing.
 
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