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The Surface Pro 4 is a tablet that is a viable laptop replacement for the majority of people who don't need all that extra power. If you do need that extra power, then the Surface Book is the ultimate laptop for you. Not sure why so many people are finding it difficult to grasp the fact that different consumers have different needs, which the new Surface line-up caters for.
 
Omg is not about you or me understanding what their products are for
Is about how can you make a statement like Surface book ultimate laptop(so there is no other laptop can beat it) and if you look at surface pro 4 the line is "can replace your laptop" So i have a surface book laptop, how is going surface pro 4 can replace my laptop? what can it do better?
 
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Omg is not about you or me understanding what their products are for
Is about how can you make a statement like Surface book ultimate laptop(so their is no other laptop can beat it) and if you look at surface pro 4 the line is "can replace your laptop" So i have a surface book laptop, how is going surface pro 4 can replace my laptop? what can it do better?
Well I'd say the Surface Pro 4 tagline is referring more specifically to traditional laptops - the Surface Book is a 2 in 1/convertible laptop that shares the same versatility, although at the expense of battery life.
 
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That's apple's issue - outside of some of us techies, people just don't upgrade their iPads. My wife uses an gen 1 Mini, I have a gen 2 mini and we have no plans on upgrading. The sliding sales of the iPad illustrate the issue, once people get an iPad they see no need to upgrade.

That's the problem for sure... if it's not broke, don't fix it... and tablets seem to have a long lifespan. However, I'm sure there's some secret sauce out there somewhere that would persuade people to dump their current tablets for something new... Heck if I know what that is? Same issue for the Smart phones too... the innovation pot is running low (and not just Apple... all of them).
 
That's the problem for sure... if it's not broke, don't fix it... and tablets seem to have a long lifespan. However, I'm sure there's some secret sauce out there somewhere that would persuade people to dump their current tablets for something new... Heck if I know what that is? Same issue for the Smart phones too... the innovation pot is running low (and not just Apple... all of them).

I agree. I don't know what the answer is, but sector needs some magic dust. If it doesn't get one, I fear they will cheapen the parts, simply to make the devices wear more quickly.

Even in style, all of the phones look boring now. The Lumia 950 looks like a iPhone C, the iPhone 6 looks like a Lumia 925. the Samsung Edge looks a little different, but I can't really see the point.

I'm waiting for the arrival of a next gen clam phone!
 
The Surface Book looks incredible. Microsoft really knocked it out of the ball park. If I was a Windows laptop user I'd be over the moon with that product, incredibly innovative.

I also was pretty impressed by Microsoft today and think that increased competition and innovation is good for Apple and consumers, but incredibly innovative? All I see is a touchscreen laptop/tablet with detachable keyboard. Haven't these been around before? And for cheaper? All of which run Windows 10 well as it is actually a very good OS that can run on limited hardware. Again, I think Microsoft was impressive today. The phones look nice, continuum is a nice feature, and I think the move to hardware is a good idea. Incredibly innovative though? I guess I may be missing something.
 
Great, so I'll buy a phone with "facial recognition" so someone can print off my Facebook profile picture and get into my phone.

And Microsoft apparently still hasn't learned that hybrids are only so-so at both the things they do. There's a reason Apple hasn't caved to the "pressure" to make one. It's because it's a terrible idea.

Time to step up your game, Micro$oft…

I believe MS thought of that and that you can't use a photo to bypass it like that. You need a special camera to do a biometric 3d face shot.

I doubt you'll read this, though.

http://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...-personal-and-more-secure-with-windows-hello/
 
Nice products but that hinge is ugly and looks like it will be easy to break once dirt gets stuck in it. The pixel C and hp pavilion x2 hinges look way better. Solid product but that price and hinge kill it for me.
 
No, he sounded like a QVC presenter. He repeatedly used the work "product" which really irritated me. It was the kind of hard sell you get when you are trying desperately to convince somebody. He was clearly over selling things all the way through. His style was obviously liked, but I found it aggressive and weird. Maybe it's a British thing?
Like the way it irritates you when Apple says "amazing" in every other line?
 
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"copy cat" ? Apple has an tablet and laptop 2 in 1?
if you refer at ipad pro , this is an ipad not a hybrid...so they copy their own product -the ipad and the pen from the others.The pen idea i think is from back "90
and yes windows 10 is nice because has a nice UI...like in this days the design sell !
Physical or UI design in these days is the selling point and not the infrastructure

remember iOS7..was a boom because of the UI change
a ferrari is very liked because of the design not about anything else,design is over performance
the lag on windows 10 is there 100%

Finally an Apple fan admitted to what Apple has been doing!
 
That's the problem for sure... if it's not broke, don't fix it... and tablets seem to have a long lifespan. However, I'm sure there's some secret sauce out there somewhere that would persuade people to dump their current tablets for something new... Heck if I know what that is? Same issue for the Smart phones too... the innovation pot is running low (and not just Apple... all of them).

it's not that the tablets have long life span. It's just that we do so little on a tablet besides browsing, we don't need to upgrade. I have a nexus 7 (the first version).. I have not thought of replacing it because it works fine. My iPad Air does not need to be replaced. All I do there is browse. My wife is not replacing her 2nd gen ipad Mini as just facebooking does not an upgrade. The mobile architecture moves the computing power to the cloud and hence you can be fine with a low powered client. Nobody upgrades a dumb terminal.. remember the old days?
 
Finally an Apple fan admitted to what Apple has been doing!
yes apple sells beauty but still you can't argue that has no hardware inside,both in iphone 6s and macs etc
has good materials, good build assembly , good customer service
Doesn't matter who you are but if you make a original and beauty design these days, your start is set for success at least for a period
Like Apple is using glass and aluminium materials on almost all macs,ios devices, i love micrososft is doing so with glass and magnesium on all of surfaces and hope for the future in phones ass well
 
Same issue for the Smart phones too... the innovation pot is running low (and not just Apple... all of them).
I think for the most part the tablet and phone products have matured to the point where its hard to not only differentiate, but innovate.

Microsoft is relevant again.


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Yes but now they're not looking to see Apple fail, in fact they've been increasing their applications/services for the Mac. So if the Mac wins MS wins.
 
yea but it was better if the tagline was that it can replace your old laptop
No it wouldn't. Because putting that tagline through the Serban 5000 Spin Machine, someone who bought a Surface Book and looked at that would think that the Surface Pro 4 could replace their Surface Book because the Surface Book is now their "old" laptop.
 
No never heard before! Sorry

Ford has been using Windows Embedded Automobile with their Sync/MyTouch system, we had the first two major releases in our Ford Edge and later in our Ford Explorer. It wasn't very nice - and Ford made some major changes to the GUI after many complaints about the system being too distracting. Ultimately Ford made a good decision last year with dropping Microsoft for QNX in order to eventually open up to CarPlay and Android, eventually. Apparently the current QNX-based version is far ahead of their previous systems but an announcement by Ford regarding a new update including CarPlay/Android Auto has been expected for quite a while now.

Anyway, yes - "Windows Car" or whatever one wants to call it was there before :) .
 
No it wouldn't. Because putting that tagline through the Serban 5000 Spin Machine, someone who bought a Surface Book and looked at that would think that the Surface Pro 4 could replace their Surface Book because the Surface Book is now their "old" laptop.
hahah yes you are right :D:D
 
Now this is some innovation. Love what MS is doing. This is the stuff I wish Apple was doing this year :(

If Microsoft introduced new keypads with upgraded battery or GPU without changing the "screen/tablet"...I fear the things it will do to the internetz.
 
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