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Microsoft Reveals New Band 2, Lumia Phones, Surface Pro 4, and Surface Book

Kendo said:
Our family already has an iMac and an iPad Air 2 so this seems like the perfect laptop since it doubles as a second tablet. And to me, Windows is not as bad as people make it out to be, especially Windows 10.
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So many devices. :) It seems if one is in the Apple ecosystem then 3 separate Apple gizmos is the standard. I was there once, 2 devices on iOS but still needing OSX to do the heavy lifting. The 10" Windows tablet finally got me down to full mobility and a desktop experience all rolled into one OS. And, my insanely cheap windows phone (which is darn near disposable) compliments the tablet quite nicely.

And now, I'm wondering what it would be like to get down to a single "pocketable" device like the Lumia 950XL along with a dock for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers external drives, etc. Yeah, I'm only half serious but still... the idea.

Still love the Apple build quality though. Just getting a bit tired of their stubborn complacency and their walled garden.
 
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thedeancoleman said:
I was just thinking the same thing about Microsoft seems to be doing what  used to do but then there's windows 10. lol
iPad Pro , isn't to me a pro unit until it can run a full copy of Logic X and third party plug ins .

It's hard to tell what the iPad pro and  TV can really do though the demos in September were some of the worst ones I've ever seen  do. I'm not going to even mention the watch presentation .


Btw on the  TV when those guys showed there dumb game I was thinking damn does anyone remember frogger ?
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Have you used windows 10 before?
It's actually really great. There isn't a real divide between OS X and windows nowadays
In fact the buggier one of the two seems to be El capitan
 
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Renzatic said:
For this, I'd say that the iPad is the arguably stronger product. I bought a Surface 3 just the other day (that's probably going back to pay for an SP4...should've known), and while I think it's great overall, it's not quite as comfortable as my old iPad for "goofin' around stuff". The Airs in particular, being thinner, and a good 3/4ths of a pound lighter, are much better for pure content consumption.

We're seeing a convergence of platforms, and eventually the iPads and Surfaces are going to meet in the middle. But for now, the iPads are content consumption devices that can do a bit of work in a pinch, and the Surfaces are work devices, that can do content consumption.
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The problem for Apple is that I'm still on my iPad 2 and only this fall have started to want to upgrade (mostly for space and because I'm loving iOS 9 on my phone but I'm staying at 7 on my iPad.) That's the problem with what I want. Its just not an area companies can make a lot of money.
 
Konrad9 said:
Probably because laptops have been referred to as Notebooks for as long as they've been referred to as laptops.
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Yes, lapbooks and notepads isn't better.

Good effort by MS, except I doubt older people will appreciate AC/DC.

This is just enough to force Apple into the next generation.

BTW Apple: 16 GB 1TB
 
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Core i7 prices for Surface Pro 4 is pretty high! Minimum of $1599. Having a touch screen device running a full OS is worth it I guess, even if it's Windows...but Win10 is looking pretty good. Would be nice if apple made a touch screen working with OSX! That or Adobe making their full versions of CC working on IOS.
 
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This is good news for Windows and Linux users! I recently installed Windows 10 in VMware, and it didn't really impress me all that much.
 
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Monique1 said:
And now, I'm wondering what it would be like to get down to a single "pocketable" device like the Lumia 950XL along with a dock for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers external drives, etc. Yeah, I'm only half serious but still... the idea.
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Its clear that's what Microsoft thinks might happen. Laptops replaced desktops for many people. Will the phone replace the laptop?
 
mantan said:
Absolutely. Some people on here seem to forget that we should all be consumers first. And what's best for us is having viable options in the marketplace.

Apple was parsing out minor updates in the early days of the iPhone. (Remember begging for things like landscape and MMS for iOS 3 after being told we didn't need it.) Then suddenly the competition started heating up in the smartphone industry and Apple dropped the iPhone 4 which was a Bob Beamon like leap in smartphone technology.

Even if you're a hardcore Apple fan, Microsoft making really good new products is going to push your beloved Apple into 'innovation' mode rather than giving minor tweaks all the time. Look at the latest iteration of the MacBook, iMac and Mac Mini and you see a company that's clearly coasting right now.

I like Apple stuff too - but if somebody else is making really good stuff, I'm going to take a look.
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yeah because iWork is such a competitor to the MS office suite, we really profit from it...as customers/professionals <_<
 
davidwes said:
The problem for Apple is that I'm still on my iPad 2 and only this fall have started to want to upgrade (mostly for space and because I'm loving iOS 9 on my phone but I'm staying at 7 on my iPad.) That's the problem with what I want. Its just not an area companies can make a lot of money.
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It's one that's already being addressed, actually. The iPad Air 2/Surface 3 would probably work for you. The only thing that's giving me pause on taking back my 3 is that I'm wondering if I actually need that extra 2 inch screen, and more powerful processor. I use my desktop for all my heavy lifting, and my tablet is for taking notes, showing off invoices, and playing some light games on the go.

Here's how I'd pare down the tablet market. The S3 is nearly the exact same thickness and weight as my iPad 3, but it's more flexible due to it being Windows based. The iPad Air 2 is thinner, lighter, a bit faster, and a little more elegant in UX terms, but it can't do quite as much. The SP4 is faster and more capable than either, but it's also a good deal larger and heavier. The iPad Pro? Eh, it's kind of a hard sell at the moment. The pencil is interesting, and the keyboard has potential, but it's more expensive and unwieldy than the Surface 3 due to the size, not nearly as powerful as the S4, and doesn't have the software support to bring out its best features yet. And of course there's the iPad Mini. More like an original Air in hardware terms, but smaller, and weighs practically nothing. It's the best sit back and chill tablet of the bunch.

I'd say some way, some how, you're covered.
 
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davidwes said:
Its clear that's what Microsoft thinks might happen. Laptops replaced desktops for many people. Will the phone replace the laptop?
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Ultimately the watch will. By being attached to you, & contacting your skin, it can be made more secure, is less likely to get lost, dropped, or forgotten somewhere, is more convenient to access, less interruptive and imposing, and already exists as a device people are used to wearing.

Then you'll have your choice of external displays. HUD's & eyewear, little portable 4, 5, 6" displays, medium tablet sized displays, the mythical roll-up OLED paper displays, projectors, big screens... perhaps they'll have GPU's in them to bolster the CPU of the watch but...

We're nowhere near that yet, and Moores law may crap out by then, but a century or two from now, your wristwatch should double as your PC & file storage, & displays will just be another peripheral.
 
I think you have to give Microsoft credit for innovation here. High performance and MULTI-PURPOSE device housed in only 7.7mm with an attachable and highly functional keyboard with the benefit of discreet GPU support with an extra battery and, omg, external port options.

Anybody that thinks the iPad Pro is a better professional tool is just not a real professional.
 
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Here's the confusing delimma:

I want full power computer, i'd buy a desktop. Sure I love the idea of a powerful pc tablet with pen support and being able to dock to a discrete GPU converting to a full laptop but the damn price is all the way to $2700+tax

The major deal breaker is that it runs Windows :(

The problem is that with the $1499 you get 8GB ram, i5 processor, 128GB ram. But it runs windows. And just not good enough with the nature of x86 computing with those specs using windows.

As for the 950XL phone that is a very attractive phone with a replaceable battery and microSD! Includes wireless charging as well and a great camera. But biggest deal breaker: no apps and worse, no NFC payment not even android pay.

So overall it's a big deal with these new devices especially the surface book - just the pricing is too expensive for a PC and sorry you can't demand the premium pricing that apple can even with more hardware and innovation it's just too bad the stigma associated with microsoft. I definitely won't shell out $1500 for a surface anything - but I would do it again and again for another macbook pro.

As for their phones, man, give it up already. You just cannot compete in this mobile space. Especially not when demanding these prices!
 
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The 32GB 950 and 950 XL also includes a USB Type-C connector that Microsoft promises can charge the devices up to 50 percent within a span of 30 minutes.

Apple, why couldn't you have the USB-C in the 6s and iPad Pro? (Since Apple helped design USB-C anyway lol) Not only would they charge MUCH faster, but we'd be no longer tied down to a proprietary connector... Not to mention USB 3.0 transfer speeds which should help alleviate the lack of ports on the iPad Pro and help take advantage of the much faster flash ram seen on the 6s... (I'm currently waiting forever to download movies into my 128gb 6s+) Lightning please DIAF already...
 
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