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Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before
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No, its even worse with its schizophrenic interface.
Just curious. What work do you do? Your battery life seems excellent compared to some reviews.
Except that this isn't 2020 yet. We need a notebook for now, not 2020.
Apple should have done what they did with the last generation - give us the new tech, in that case. it was Thunderbolt 2 ports, but leave the legacy in stuff too, the next release, go all TB3 if they want. It was too abrupt they way they did it with 2016.
This +1
It really isn't hard to avoid malware regardless of OS.
Anyone remember Obama's Cash for Clunkers program? You trade in your old car, and got 2-3000 towards a new car? This reminds me a lot of that program.
People switching organically would be due to disappointment in the new MBPs. People switching because you are offering $650 for an old laptop...not sure if that is due to disappointment or the financial incentive.
MSFT is doing great things. And there may be a day when I go back. I spent a good hour in the MSFT store playing with that new Surface Studio, and gave a long hard thought about how it costs the same as the MBP I would want. But the things that drew me in were complete gimmicks, like that dial you put on the screen. It's poor UX any way you cut it, and completely unnecessary.
Windows looked great, but the things that bothered me about windows were those problems that plagued you further down into ownership; not the superficial look and feel. Annoying service pack updates, random bugs, dialogue boxes popping up randomly, blue screen of death, ctl alt delete, etc. Maybe it's much better now, but I guess I am still traumatized by my previous experience.
I have just had a much smoother experience on my Macbook Pro. And now they've vertically integrated me into all their services like iMessage, Handoff, etc. So now I am not necessarily choosing the Macbook Pro because it has the newest flashiest features, but that I am just too far into this ecosystem and prefer not to deal with the unknown.
The only thing keeping me looking is price. My god 3k for a laptop is just a lot. Love the touchbar though. Anyone that doesn't, have you used it? It's great. Switching to youtube controls so you can scrub videos without having to distract from the viewing experience by moving the mouse on the cursor, having it switch to other useful toggles for another app like switching tabs in safari. It's not as flashy as that dumb dial on the Surface Studio (that is just a cool gadget), but it is far more useful imo.
People switching organically would be due to disappointment in the new MBPs. People switching because you are offering $650 for an old laptop...not sure if that is due to disappointment or the financial incentive.
MSFT is doing great things. And there may be a day when I go back. I spent a good hour in the MSFT store playing with that new Surface Studio, and gave a long hard thought about how it costs the same as the MBP I would want. But the things that drew me in were complete gimmicks, like that dial you put on the screen. It's poor UX any way you cut it, and completely unnecessary.
Windows looked great, but the things that bothered me about windows were those problems that plagued you further down into ownership; not the superficial look and feel. Annoying service pack updates, random bugs, dialogue boxes popping up randomly, blue screen of death, ctl alt delete, etc. Maybe it's much better now, but I guess I am still traumatized by my previous experience.
I have just had a much smoother experience on my Macbook Pro. And now they've vertically integrated me into all their services like iMessage, Handoff, etc. So now I am not necessarily choosing the Macbook Pro because it has the newest flashiest features, but that I am just too far into this ecosystem and prefer not to deal with the unknown.
The only thing keeping me looking is price. My god 3k for a laptop is just a lot. Love the touchbar though. Anyone that doesn't, have you used it? It's great. Switching to youtube controls so you can scrub videos without having to distract from the viewing experience by moving the mouse on the cursor, having it switch to other useful toggles for another app like switching tabs in safari. It's not as flashy as that dumb dial on the Surface Studio (that is just a cool gadget), but it is far more useful imo.
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In true Apple style, if that’s what happens I’d have to say you’re installing it wrong.
Yep. If they were, say, $500 less, the new MBPs would be lauded as the best machines to ever grace this earth. People are mad at the price first and everything else falls in line with the trashing.
I would have said this same thing a few years ago. Now i consider it my patriotic duty to take one for the team. Apple is not capable of learning until they lose market share and revenue. I will be happy to switch away and switch back when or if Apple listens. Yes it will be painful, but it is the only way to be heard.
Even the new rMB'P' has better battery than the Surfaces. I have seen several reviews, and one friend whose school gave him a Surface, complain about the very limited battery life.
I'm not happy with the new macbooks either but MS's offerings are even worse. The surface pro 4 was horrible that begged for a return. The surface book was just a bad value. Weird hinge on it keeps the screen wobbling. It only took a day of use to get rid of that.
IMO, the best notebook is the 2015 MBP for now. Hopefully i can get an OLED laptop in a few years.
IMO, the best notebook is the 2015 MBP for now. Hopefully i can get an OLED laptop in a few years.
The mediocrity of the MacBook Pro upgrade, and the impressive specs and design of the Surface Book, had me considering leaving Apple for the first time in my adult life. (And that's 20+ years.)
Apple really needs to take note here. They've got their priorities sadly mixed up.
Apple really needs to take note here. They've got their priorities sadly mixed up.
The keyboard on the new MBP is what made me return it. There are other pros out there than just audio or video....lol
I stood there in the store and typed on it for about 20 minutes and decided to be positive and that I would just "get used to it". Got a 13" with regular function keys, no need for me to use the strip.
I will say this, just because a keyboard is better than on the MacBook doesn't make it a good keyboard. The MacBook keyboard is an extremely low standard and the keyboard on the new MBP is better but it is still very much a terrible keyboard.
Decided to keep using my MacBook Air and either get a Lenovo X1 Carbon or a Dell XPS on my next purchase.
Apple hasn't done anything other than upgrade Steve Jobs products since he passed.
Very very lame and I'm not going to keep supporting them.
Like another poster said, I have also been waiting for a 30 inch high res monitor from them for years. Steve put stuff out there. Tim pulls it back and tries to put his customers even deeper into the Apple jail.
I stood there in the store and typed on it for about 20 minutes and decided to be positive and that I would just "get used to it". Got a 13" with regular function keys, no need for me to use the strip.
I will say this, just because a keyboard is better than on the MacBook doesn't make it a good keyboard. The MacBook keyboard is an extremely low standard and the keyboard on the new MBP is better but it is still very much a terrible keyboard.
Decided to keep using my MacBook Air and either get a Lenovo X1 Carbon or a Dell XPS on my next purchase.
Apple hasn't done anything other than upgrade Steve Jobs products since he passed.
Very very lame and I'm not going to keep supporting them.
Like another poster said, I have also been waiting for a 30 inch high res monitor from them for years. Steve put stuff out there. Tim pulls it back and tries to put his customers even deeper into the Apple jail.
Finally someone who agrees!! I feel like Mac's are a lot better than PC's because they last a lot longer, some people don't see it, for example i'm still using a 2011 MacBook Pro and it still works, i'm also using a 2012 iMac, also still works great. In comparison to a Windows machine i was using (before 2011) they needed more maintenance, would crash a lot more and felt clunky and more difficult to use than my Mac, that to me is worth the price Apple charge. I'm also glad that Apple haven't done a hybrid PC-tablet. Craig recently gave an interview after the new MacBook Pro event, he was asked the question and confirmed that Apple had working models for a touchscreen Mac, but the user experience isn't good. I wonder how many times Apple executives have to say it, before people realise and accept it.
The first page has a total of at least 21 in circulation. Your maths is crap.
I would bet that the only people moving from Apple to MS, are those that are not entrenched in the Mac ecosystem.
I think you school should have looked at what IBM discovered when comparing real costs of running PC vs Mac. An initial higher cost of a Mac will either be a wash or a savings over time vs PC product - although with MS hardware, it's not a guarantee that there are any cost savings.
I think you school should have looked at what IBM discovered when comparing real costs of running PC vs Mac. An initial higher cost of a Mac will either be a wash or a savings over time vs PC product - although with MS hardware, it's not a guarantee that there are any cost savings.
The point I was trying to make is that i don't think comparing yourself to the competition is an act of desperation.
Things Apple will not revert back to its original state:
- Keyboard
- Trackpad size
- Battery capacity
- MagSafe
- Thunderbolt, aka "Ports of Courage"
It's "old" technology that nobody needs. The new model looks great under glass in a demo loop, but from a practical POV it is really useless.
Or, we finally have someone with some business sense to run the biggest economy in the WORLD!
Not a community organizer who probably couldn't balance his own checkbook.
Wake-up! We lived in a "touchy feely" world long enough and now need to make some difficult decisions to save our country!
Not a community organizer who probably couldn't balance his own checkbook.
Wake-up! We lived in a "touchy feely" world long enough and now need to make some difficult decisions to save our country!
I would agree with you were it not for the incredible price of the Surface Studio. But all said, I nearly switched to the Surface Studio recently but decided to stick with getting a new iMac before Apple (potentially) cripples the I/O and the RAM in 2017. The only reason I didn't drop on the Surface Studio was because I'm integrated into Mac OS, iCloud, and IOS - it's just the wrong time for me.
I've started switching software and services now though. One Drive beats iCloud. Office 365 is a better tool for me now, especially considering I can expand data and share and collaborate more easily. I've started using Premier instead of FCP.
In a couple of years when the Surface Studio has matured and settled down in price, I'll probably switch, assuming the next generation of iMacs are as stripped back as a lot of pros are guessing they will be after witnessing the MBP disaster.
Couldn't agree more. Yes it was expensive but it's a great machine and I make my living from it - when it flies through everything I throw at it including big Photoshop files and 4K video how can anybody complain about power or RAM? The 15" drives 2 x 5K monitors ffs. And USB-C only was a great move - love having only one cable to plug in when I get in.
Apple deserve a huge amount of criticism for how they've let the Mac Pro users fester and for the ear pod non-appearance.
But is the MBP perfect? No. Is it the best laptop money can buy? Yes. Are there a lot of uninformed people (who haven't even seen one, never mind use one on daily tasks) jumping on the bandwagon and making a lot of noise for little reason? Most definitely.