True. I wouldn't want to use it myself but hope lots of other people will buy it.
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Microsoft Says Its New Surface Book 2 is Twice as Powerful as Latest MacBook Pro
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Its quite possible that it can run OS X, as well. The hackintosh world is alive and strong, so its quite possible that you'd be able to install OS X on the machine.
No it really doesn't say it all. But you would have known that if you actually had read the comments in this thread.
I wonder if MS changed the company/factory that was manufacturing them. I don't think there were any issues with the design, but an issue with the place where it was manufactured. It appears that either QC was an afterthought at that Chinese factory or they were overwhelmed by the added complexity of the design and didn't want to admit it, jeopardizing their contract with MS.
This would be a great time for Apple to bump its processors on the MBP to Coffee Lake for November. It wouldn’t be the first time Apple refreshes in November either.
It could be ten times as 'powerful', whatever that means when comparing two completely different OSes--I still have no desire to use Windows.
I like how everyone defending Windows here completely ignores crap like this:
BSOD (every 1-2 weeks)
DLLs and the ridiculous way that every app barfs files all over the Windows directory
Registry (see DLLs)
Fingerprint sensing is a joke compared to TouchID
Power management...doesn't seem to matter what I set it to, it switches things around on a whim
Ads/spyware
Backup options are ridiculous compared to Time Machine
Lack of continuity features with phones, messages, etc.
"Windows rot" that slows everything down over time
Antivirus...'nuff said
Deceptive update process
Edge
I use Windows on a loaded ThinkPad every day and find it to be exactly as bad as it's always been. It reminds me of Android OS--it feels like you could use it to launch the space shuttle, but it's completely unfulfilling and complicated to use in virtually every way. It's bloated, it's inconsistent, and I take no pleasure in using it.
Windows vs macOS is like somebody offering me a new Buick to replace my BMW. If I had never tried anything else, I'm sure I'd think it was great, but...I have, and it's not.
I like how everyone defending Windows here completely ignores crap like this:
BSOD (every 1-2 weeks)
DLLs and the ridiculous way that every app barfs files all over the Windows directory
Registry (see DLLs)
Fingerprint sensing is a joke compared to TouchID
Power management...doesn't seem to matter what I set it to, it switches things around on a whim
Ads/spyware
Backup options are ridiculous compared to Time Machine
Lack of continuity features with phones, messages, etc.
"Windows rot" that slows everything down over time
Antivirus...'nuff said
Deceptive update process
Edge
I use Windows on a loaded ThinkPad every day and find it to be exactly as bad as it's always been. It reminds me of Android OS--it feels like you could use it to launch the space shuttle, but it's completely unfulfilling and complicated to use in virtually every way. It's bloated, it's inconsistent, and I take no pleasure in using it.
Windows vs macOS is like somebody offering me a new Buick to replace my BMW. If I had never tried anything else, I'm sure I'd think it was great, but...I have, and it's not.
The average user could not tell if the processor was the newest or now. Let’s be real. 17 hours of video? Doubt it...everyone I know with a surface complains about the battery. Bottom line: I use Windows at work and would rather use OS X. Period. So my new MBP doesn’t have the most up to date processor. Neither does my iMac 5K from 2+ years ago....and it runs as well as the day I got it, and has no problem going through 70,000 high resolution photos (on an external drive/thunderbolt) as if they were on the main drive. No lag, no problems 2+ years later. I’ll stick with OS X.
I wouldn't be surprised if it can. But that would violate the license terms of macOS. So if we take that into account, it is correct to say that SB is not able to run macOS.
They said that about the previous SurfaceBook and the previous MacBook Pro, and the only way those numbers passed the plausibility test would have been if they were comparing the top-of-the-range i7 + discrete GPU SB against the entry-level i5 + intel integrated GPU MBP and cherry-picked a benchmark that highlighted the differences.
This.
I used a Surface Book for a month earlier this year when it was widely on offer at a less egregious price. Aside from some minor annoyances with Windows which I could have adapted to over time - it would have been a potential 13" MBP killer: the build felt comparable with Mac, the keyboard was almost as good as the 2015 MBP keyboard and much better than the 2016 MBP and the selection of ports worked nicely with all of my existing stuff without dongle-mania, plugging straight into my LED Cinema display at work... and, at home, I got the Surface Dock which would drive a pair of displays, various USB devices and charge via a single, magnetic connector. The main failures were:
(a) No Thunderbolt or USB 3.1 Gen 2 - which wasn't an issue for me.
(b) Within a month it was freezing every time the "tablet" section was ejected, failing to wake from sleep, failing to shut down completely and instead going into the notorious "sleep of death" mode, needing a forced power-cycle every time which (as it turns out) means that when I followed the suggestion to do a clean re-install to try and fix it, it couldn't complete the windows installation and turned into a £2000 brick.
Fortunately, it was within the no-quibble 30 day return period from the store I used.
Although some people may have been lucky, a bit of after-the-fact googling revealed that "sleep-of-deathgate" was a common issue to which MS's only solution was "get it replaced and keep your fingers crossed"
My diagnosis - the ejectable tablet section was as brilliant idea when it worked but there was just too much to go wrong.
Most of that sounds like a PEBKAC issue. Not Windows.
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at this point in time I wish apple was the one selling their OS software to run on other peoples hardware...
Should not and cannot are two different things, you're stating it cannot, and that might not be the case.
The point remains.
MBPs can run OS X and Windows.
SBs can run Windows and OS X.
Whether you want to violate the EULA is a completely different discussion.
Like, I agree that macOS is a better OS but I believe Windows 10 to finally represent a worthy competitor. It even looks far sleeker now. Also, you know, essential if you need specific software packages.
I recently switched to Windows for my main desktop and the crossover was effortless and I’ve not run into much that I seriously hate, I also don’t find myself missing macOS all that much - aside from having iMessage on my desktop, but now I just talk to my fiancé via Facebook Messenger because I can get that on my desktop. It’s very easy to keep iCloud synced up with Windows, I was surprised by how easy Apple made that.
Hahaha, sorry, I just had to quote thisYou better find it in case "they" (you know, "them"), come looking for it
I know. the IT guy was concerned as he hasn't seen it on the network lately.
Having recently moved I am 100% sure it's in a "box"
I find it quite funny people are comparing it on price. You get so much more bang for the buck with these surface book 2. Better screens, better processors, better graphics, better for gaming and usable as a tablet. Just WOW. I used to hate windows too but the difference between Mac OS and Windows 10 are not that big anymore. Like android and iOS. The only difference is that they keep pushing and introduce better products year after year. Thumbs up for their efforts! Something Apple is surely lagging!
If Apple would come with the same specs you can add another $ 1000 and they’ll find new ways to cripple it. The pressure on Apple hasn’t been this strong since the nineties. The only difference is is that Apple just lets it happen and counting their profits.
Thank you Microsoft, google and others for putting pressure on Apple. Apple surely doesn’t listen to their customers and you seem to do so.
If Apple would come with the same specs you can add another $ 1000 and they’ll find new ways to cripple it. The pressure on Apple hasn’t been this strong since the nineties. The only difference is is that Apple just lets it happen and counting their profits.
Thank you Microsoft, google and others for putting pressure on Apple. Apple surely doesn’t listen to their customers and you seem to do so.
Nothing MS does will impress me...if they want to try to run head to head with Apple, they should release a Maci Mini clone using 4 year old parts, charge $500 for it, and then see if not only are people willing to use it for 2 years, but are you able to sell it as a mainstream product for 4 years. Do this, and I will be impressed.
This. Everything on that list is exactly why I don't use Windows as my main machine (I use it for Oculus Rift only). Horrible especially the Windows Rot.
Funny - some of what you refer to is hardware, not windows itself.
Viruses are much overblown on these forums.
Ads / spyware - not really an issue. Again overblown.
You can get perfectly good anti malware apps for free.
Microsoft is adding continuity to windows 10 for android. Mac OS only supports iOS.
Viruses are much overblown on these forums.
Ads / spyware - not really an issue. Again overblown.
You can get perfectly good anti malware apps for free.
Microsoft is adding continuity to windows 10 for android. Mac OS only supports iOS.
As someone who owns and uses a first Gen Surface Book professionally, I'll be looking carefully at the 512 15" Same as previous, I'll let Microsoft and it's providers iron out the bugs, then likely purchase one early to mid 2018.
My own 13" Surface Book replaced a long line of MacBook Pro's nor have I had cause for concern, with the Surface Book proving for my needs to be an excellent notebook paying for itself multiple times over. In many respects Surface Book is the productivity tool I once envisaged only Apple could produce...
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My own 13" Surface Book replaced a long line of MacBook Pro's nor have I had cause for concern, with the Surface Book proving for my needs to be an excellent notebook paying for itself multiple times over. In many respects Surface Book is the productivity tool I once envisaged only Apple could produce...
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Literally none of the things I mentioned are under the control of the user. Please, explain to me how the Windows Registry or Edge being so bad is my fault, or the system files that are strewn everywhere and left behind when uninstalling a program.
The only thing RIP in my view is Quality with Windows. Well to be fair Windows never had any quality. Even Windows 8 was full of ****.
I installed it and was one of the few who liked it and gave it a chance, yet straight away constant BSOD. Was not my laptop or any software, it was Windows 8.
I could sit here all day and talk about the times I have had major problems with every version of Windows wince 95 and yet I have hardly had any problems with my MacBook pro since getting it.
The issues I have had have been minor ones at best.
Bashing Win 10 is like bashing Beats headphones-old and tired.
