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What’s the track pad like on these things? Because Apple’s track pad is the gold standard. And every time I touch a PC laptop, within seconds I want to break my own fingers because every single track pad on a PC that my fingers have ever touched has been absolute garbage.

So, have they put as much effort into the trackpad or does my unofficial law of input devices hold true?
 
I hate my 13" non touch MacBook Pro. I really miss my old MacBook Air 2013. It got better battery life, was just as fast for what I use it for, much better keyboard (already had the keyboard on my pro replaced and they have to replace the keyboard, top shell and battery to the tune of $550 Canadian although it was under warranty). Full size USB ports are a pain, but until anything is available in USB C I am tired of trying to figure out where my dongle is so that I can use anything and STILL have to figure out which side is up and which side is down anyway since I still have to use USB A for everything just through a dongle. Oh and it was extremely expensive and the only real advantage over a 4 year old computer is the screen, which is nice, but I would be just as happy with an air with an IPS screen at the same low resolution
 
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God, those GPU choices would be so preferable over Apples to me. Apart from FCPX, the 1060 is just hilariously above the Radeon Pro 560, even the 1050 in the 13" is.
 
I don't know what people mean by "windows is stable now", Win 7 was stable for the longest time...

You confused "people" with "sheeple". The latter just keeps spouting the same crap with no experience in what they are spouting about. Windows 10 is a great OS.

I am not sure you understand how Consumer Reports works. It's fundamental to every product they test, cars, computers, dishwashers, you name it, that regardless of how well the performance and features are rated, if it is unreliable, they aren't going to recommend that consumers buy it. Hence, the change from recommended to "not recommended." And, regarding the concern over their recommendation on the MacBook Pro, you are ignoring the nature of the concern. It wasn't that CR didn't like it, they rated it great in every area, but withheld a recommended rating because of concern over inconsistent battery life, including much lower and much higher than Apple advertised. What upset Apple and others was that CR testing used a protocol that didn't mimic typical consumer behavior and triggered a software bug that impacted measured battery life. People felt that CR should have contacted Apple first since their testing results, both unreasonably high and low, didn't make sense. The issue was easily resolved and CR quickly changed their recommendation to the highest.

And JD Power and Associates rated customer satisfaction higher on Surface than iPad.

Keeping windows working consistently has always been a battle. It's much better these days, sure... but for an example... I have a machine with a specialist video card. Was all working fine... Widows did an auto update and now there are odd sound clicks for no apparent reason and every so often hangs. Could be Motherboard / video card / IRQ / PCIE drivers - who knows!

The problem is of course Windows could have Millions and millions of possible configurations... OSX - perhaps 40 current non obsolete machine configs + some specialist Cards on the Mac pros... etc.

Windows itself is not hard to maintain (if you can find the the settings and understand BS error codes) - The hardware and drivers are!

OK, so you are comparing a "specialist video card" in use with Windows, that you can't use with any Mac, and complaining that if the driver and OS are not kept in sync that it doesn't work? At least you can even do it with Windows. I don't use specialized hardware and I've not had a problem like that since the days of Windows 95.
 
Windows has come a long way. It's a lot better than what people think.
Not sure. My sister and her husband have been lifetime Windows users. They got a new laptop with Windows 10, complained bitterly about the 'Big Brother' and being forced into programs they did not want and suddenly switched to a Mac. And their daughter is a IT person who maintains Windows computers. She, btw, still talks about 'Windows rot' - that they slow down with time and she spends half her time using an image to reload OS from scratch.
Those experiences scared me away from even trying Win10. I think they came closest with 7.
 
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Gotta agree. I dual boot into win10 on my MBP and run windows 7 at work. I much prefer 7. The bloat, the ads, the auto updating, the nag alerts... I don't really get why people say win10 is such an improvement. What about it?
I like the way Apple fans love to bash Android users over the fact that Apple supports and updates their devices for years but take that pocket computer, make it laptop-sized and by a different manufacturer and all of a sudden auto-updates are the devils work.
 
For me the 1060 is key. It should of been in the last one. I need more details on this one but from what I know the 1060 is the minimum for VR. I wouldn't build or buy a Desktop/Laptop without the ability to at least dabble in some VR.
 
Most criticisms of Windows here (from what I read on the first several pages) sound like they came straight from 2007, not 2017.
Unless you're into UWP apps or care about the veneer, Windows really hasn't changed that much since 2007, i.e. since Vista was released which laid much of the groundwork for Windows 7.
 
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I really wish Apple would bring touchscreens to its Mac line. Do it right, and I bet a lot of creative professionals would come back. Plus, look at Apple's push into AR. Why can't they do that with touchscreens on Macs as well? I'm getting into digital photography and drawing, and would love something like the Surface Studio, but with macOS & a better graphics card.

Yes, touchscreen and pen/pencil on a real computer is a great thing. Apple has chosen for you not to have it. You are stuck with iOS if you want to do those things.

Microsoft is also rolling out some new AR capability in Fall Creator's Update today.
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Unless you're into UWP apps or care about the veneer, Windows really hasn't changed that much since 2007, i.e. since Vista was released which laid much of the groundwork for Windows 7.

I'm sorry, but that is probably one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on this forum.... Windows 10 isn't much different from Windows Vista? Seriously?

But just to humor you a bit, then how has OSX changed during that time?
 
Our windows users in our office all have the previous ten for a couple of reasons: MS' solid support and an actual good trackpad on a windows device. They all love their surfaces, and nobody ever says they love their windows laptops here.
 
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The way it handles fonts and high resolution screens is poor

Yeah, this is area that really needs work, I'm dealing with it right this very second, using MS tools of all things ...


For me the 1060 is key. It should of been in the last one. I need more details on this one but from what I know the 1060 is the minimum for VR. I wouldn't build or buy a Desktop/Laptop without the ability to at least dabble in some VR.

It's a _touch_ low on the performance side, it would be effective, but just not optimal. Most of the AR/VR I've been involved with targets a little more GPU, but in the context of Mac hardware, I'd *love* a 1060 powered MBP. Certainly for most gaming needs, it would be outstanding.
 
I don't know what people mean by "windows is stable now", Win 7 was stable for the longest time...
Agreed. Win XP was super stable. Win 7 is super stable. Vista and Win 8? Wouldn’t touch with a 20 foot pole. Windows 10, well it broke my neighbor’s laptop by force installing then one of the upgrades made it inoperable. Makes MS sort of crap in my book. I’d switch to OSX except Apple forces you to use their case, their monitor, their outdated cpu, etc. Plus MS Office really is not the same. I have an ipad pro 12.9, watch series 1, and iphone se. You’d think I’d have an imac but apple doen’t offer what I need (big case for 6 hard drives, standard 4k monitor capable, twain scanner capable, etc).
 
Like many Windows PCs, it'd probably need to be achieving those figures to match half the speed of a Mac in the real world.

And also, it runs Windows. Yuk.
 
I'm sorry, but that is probably one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on this forum.... Windows 10 isn't much different from Windows Vista? Seriously?

But just to humor you a bit, then how has OSX changed during that time?
More than it should have, probably. OS X Tiger was a great OS at the time. Still love using it today. :)
 
What’s the track pad like on these things? Because Apple’s track pad is the gold standard. And every time I touch a PC laptop, within seconds I want to break my own fingers because every single track pad on a PC that my fingers have ever touched has been absolute garbage.

So, have they put as much effort into the trackpad or does my unofficial law of input devices hold true?
The only usable touch pads I've used on windows machines are a few here and there that still use left and right click.

Clicking and dragging on a non-apple touchpad with no dedicated buttons is near impossible, and it's just as bad on a Mac using boot camp. (Parallels works great though!)
 
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