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You must not have used OS X much then, because once you learn it, it's a hundred times easier all around. Quickly get to apps, browse, find stuff, troubleshoot, etc.
You must not have used XYZ much then, because once you learn it, it's a hundred times easier all around. Quickly get to apps, browse, find stuff, troubleshoot, etc.

Same can be said about Windows...
 
Half the people making lame arguments about how it runs windows. Windows is quite stable nowadays and there are no issues i have faced. You guys are stuck in Windows 98 or something i suppose. At any rate, as far as i remember, the surface book started out as a tablet comparison to iPad, and now it has become a full blown small laptop ?

I don't know what people mean by "windows is stable now", Win 7 was stable for the longest time...
 
That's wonderful. I use MacBooks because they run macOS. I really don't care how powerful other machines are, though that hardware does look nice.

I love macOS because it's UNIX supported by a major vendor. The fact that all the rest of that vendor's devices all sync together is great, and it's why I'm happily locked into Apple's ecosystem. I'm sure Windows is great, but I have no desire to try it out because I'm happy over here.
 
I got tired of wishing my laptop did this or that. Or looked like this or that. Or my phone had this feature or that feature. I started using my wallet to buy what I wanted without settling. I guess I can make an operating system do what I want when I want instead of telling me what to do. And I'm just a dentist.
 
But it does say that that changed CR's opinion to negative on Surface. And this crowd found so much fault with CR's opinion when it was negative on one Apple product. So double negative, thus (we should be) positive on this Surface? ;)

Personally, I'm heavily Apple myself... but I do have many friends with Wintel and none of them seem to suffer nearly as much as the cumulative sentiment of threads like this imply. When I have to fire up bootcamp or Parallels to use Windows (because some software still only runs on Windows), I had to admit that it doesn't feel nearly as bad as implied by the sentiment to me either.

AND as Apple seems to be in a mode of regularly raising prices while cutting hardware utility, it's not so hard to imagine that one can get better hardware "guts" for much less money too.

Of course, I fully expect this thread to basically run with every possible thing- real or imagined- wrong with Windows, Microsoft and anything else that is not Apple that can be associated with this product but there is a whole world not so mentally married to Apple... that seems to do just fine and prosper using non-Apple stuff.

I know. I know. For some that's probably harder to believe than just about anything else one could say or write. What percentage of the world runs on Wintel vs. Mac? Does such a large number of the world seem miserable and unable to accomplish their computing objectives? How are they surviving without Macs?


I am not sure you understand how Consumer Reports works. It's fundamental to every product they test, cars, computers, dishwashers, you name it, that regardless of how well the performance and features are rated, if it is unreliable, they aren't going to recommend that consumers buy it. Hence, the change from recommended to "not recommended." And, regarding the concern over their recommendation on the MacBook Pro, you are ignoring the nature of the concern. It wasn't that CR didn't like it, they rated it great in every area, but withheld a recommended rating because of concern over inconsistent battery life, including much lower and much higher than Apple advertised. What upset Apple and others was that CR testing used a protocol that didn't mimic typical consumer behavior and triggered a software bug that impacted measured battery life. People felt that CR should have contacted Apple first since their testing results, both unreasonably high and low, didn't make sense. The issue was easily resolved and CR quickly changed their recommendation to the highest.
 
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Gotta agree. I dual boot into win10 on my MBP and run windows 7 at work. I much prefer 7. The bloat, the ads, the auto updating, the nag alerts... I don't really get why people say win10 is such an improvement. What about it?

Well, it IS an improvement compared to its predecessor, Windows 8...
 
We have a ton of these at work and almost all of them have hardware issues. Hopefully Book 2 has fixed these...

Consumers Reports warned against buying these due to all the hardware issues. Combine that with window$ and the performance "bump" isn't all that attractive.
 
That’s a MacBook Pro from 2011 running OS X Lion ! Nice try Microsoft :confused:

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I'm confused by your comment. What is so difficult about maintaining Windows 10?

Keeping windows working consistently has always been a battle. It's much better these days, sure... but for an example... I have a machine with a specialist video card. Was all working fine... Widows did an auto update and now there are odd sound clicks for no apparent reason and every so often hangs. Could be Motherboard / video card / IRQ / PCIE drivers - who knows!

The problem is of course Windows could have Millions and millions of possible configurations... OSX - perhaps 40 current non obsolete machine configs + some specialist Cards on the Mac pros... etc.

Windows itself is not hard to maintain (if you can find the the settings and understand BS error codes) - The hardware and drivers are!
 
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Windows has come a long way. It's a lot better than what people think.

And with the Fall Creator's Update available today, together with the Microsoft Launcher, you can do the "continuity" thing between Android and Windows similar to iOS and MacOS. Apple's ecosystem advantage is slowly eroding along with their competition truly coming out with innovative ideas.
 
Most criticisms of Windows here (from what I read on the first several pages) sound like they came straight from 2007, not 2017.

M$ windows from 2007 and 2017 makes no difference. The blue screens, malware, viruses and inconsistent M$ software are just the same.
 
I find it amusing how someone could treat Windows as such as POS OS, when it's powering so many businesses (particularly financial services) responsible for trillions upon trillions.

The OS isn't that complicated, or rubbish - and let's not pretend macOS is some kind of perfect OS either.
I don't think anyone is calling Windows unstable, just a pain to use. Which it is. Though it's nicer than Ubuntu and has actual support, so businesses that just need a lot of employees running Office and such of course will pick it.

Also, it's not Unix or Linux but rather the mess that is their NT platform, which stinks for devs, and servers are all going the Linux direction.
 
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You must not have used OS X much then, because once you learn it, it's a hundred times easier all around. Quickly get to apps, browse, find stuff, troubleshoot, etc.
I also prefer Windows to OSX mainly due to familiarity but also because I’m a MS Office user and Office 2016 on Mac absolutely sucks. Tons of examples but a couple are:
1. Select with Cmd C vs Ctrl C. My fingers just can’t do Cmd C. Then Edit-Paste with same format vs right click paste without format - one less click in Office. For some who does this a thousand times a day it is frustrating on a mac.
2. I couldn’t get crop to work in keynote. Instead of handlebars it made me put in numbers.
3. Try outline in Word, especially sub letters, etc. It isn’t completely broken (like on mac office 2011) but it doesn’t work correctly on a mac vs PC.

Also, the biggest issue is I can use any case and shove in 6 hard drives using sync back pro instead of getting a separate raid box for hundreds extra with a mac. It works for me (even between my PC and hubby’s imac) and I have 12 TB of space with all data synced at night to another 12tb of drive space. I use green drives that last 4-5 years so the cost of replacing drives is pretty low as green drives are cheaper and last longer. I run window, software, and cache on SSD so speed isn’t affected very much.
 
Microsoft business logics
- Surface PRO THE device that replace your LAPTOP
-some year later SURFACE BOOK the ULTIMATE LAPTOP but hey, surface PRO its suppose to replace my SURFACE BOOK (the ultimate laptop)
-some years later WE INTRODUCE SURFACE LAPTOP....so buy a surface laptop and after the ALCANTARA gets mud you can REPLACE YOUR LAPTOP with Surface PRO
-now, we introduce the 13" and 15" SurfaceBOOK...but hey you still have the device to replace the laptop
-i wonder if Apple reintroduce 17" MBP, after some years, MICROSOFT INTRODUCE SURFACE BOOK 17"
 
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