Microsoft Shares Holiday Ad Promoting Surface Go Over Apple's iPad: 'Big Dreams Need a Real Computer'

[KPOM]

That’s all my daughter uses at school and home is her Surface Pro 4.
I offered her a MacBook Air, but no touch or pen support. The iPad can’t run full Photoshop, so that ended any interest in the device.

I thought most schools use Chromebooks now. Anyway, the iPad will get full Photoshop next year.
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Apple should make a true Mac tablet with Intel inside. iOS is a toy. macOS is a computer.

Why would they do that? It would require a fan, or the use of the slower Core Y processors in the MacBook. I see Apple unifying around ARM and a next-gen OS to replace both iOS on the iPad and macOS rather than creating a “Mac Surface.”
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How many companies do you think run primarily on Windows? Take a wild guess......

It’s mostly inertia. IT people stick with what they are used to. That said, more and more services are moving to the cloud, and companies are getting more mobile friendly. I can do about 90% of what I need to do for work on an iPad. Apparently my firm piloted the Surface but concluded that “regular” notebooks were better for the tasks where we need a full-blown OS.
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I mean really? The Chromebook has taken over the education market, and those silly surface devices have gained ground because they support a trackpad and a keyboard. What’s so hard about making an iPad more productive by adding trackpad/mouse and file management? The iPad could have blown everything out of the water a long time ago with these simple additions but Apple continues to hobble it and sleep on the software side.

They likely will add file management, but trackpad and mouse support seems counterproductive. Mobile uses a different design philosophy. Windows 10 still feels like a desktop OS to which touch was added, and not necessarily with a good end result (lots of programs like Adobe PDF are becoming much harder to use as desktop apps because of the need to support touch). iOS was a touch OS from the very beginning. Adding mouse support would detract from the tablet experience. It is meant to be a simpler interface.

 

[cote32mt]

And then you ask yourself; In 2018, with all of the privacy laws and better technology options, who the heck carries around sensitive medical records with HIPAA information on an easily lost/stolen thumb drive?

My father has a very high tech Boston Scientifc pacemaker. Whenever we go for a functionality test, the technician downloads all of the output to a thumb drive. I questioned the practice - what I gathered is that they don’t trust networks and shared drives to archive the information. So yes, thumb drives are used, at least in some cases.
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That’s all my daughter uses at school and home is her Surface Pro 4.
I offered her a MacBook Air, but no touch or pen support. The iPad can’t run full Photoshop, so that ended any interest in the device.

The iPad can run Affinity Photo now, which with pen support is easily equal to and compatible with desktop Photoshop, is far less expensive, and is a joy to use with the pen (an experience hard to duplicate on a desktop, since you are looking right at the screen as you are editing on it).

 

[icolove]

Yes, there are real computers and if I need one I would buy a real computer. If I need a tablet I would buy a real tablet. What I wouldn't want to buy is something that pretends to be both and is neither.

Once I got a Surface Pro, the iPad became a doorstop. They aren't even close and I have no idea why people settle for iPads instead of demanding a real one from Apple. iOS is so God awful.
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Too bad W10 is still an unreliable disaster.

Why do people have to make stuff up?

 

[Tech198]

Don't you just watch this ad for the song? Catchy

Too bad W10 is still an unreliable disaster.

If your referring to the deleting of files in 1803, MS fixed that in a re-release.

Once I got a Surface Pro, the iPad became a doorstop. They aren't even close and I have no idea why people settle for iPads instead of demanding a real one from Apple. iOS is so God awful.
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Why do people have to make stuff up?

I don't think is making anything up, its probably more to do with, what what want to use it "as"

No point in getting a fast car, if i'm only be going to drive in pear hour traffic.

 

[KPOM]

Once I got a Surface Pro, the iPad became a doorstop. They aren't even close and I have no idea why people settle for iPads instead of demanding a real one from Apple. iOS is so God awful.
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Why do people have to make stuff up?

The best selling Surface products are the traditional laptops. Most people I see using a Surface use them as notebooks. The iPad is better as a tablet. Tablets aren’t meant to be notebook replacements. That said, Apple’s point is that many people probably don’t really need a notebook or desktop computer anymore.

The issue I have with the Surface is that it is still fundamentally a notebook to which touch was grafted.

 

[yvonnemo]

Lol nice one Microsoft =D

And it's true iPad is not a real computer at least for now.

 

[H2SO4]

And then you ask yourself; In 2018, with all of the privacy laws and better technology options, who the heck carries around sensitive medical records with HIPAA information on an easily lost/stolen thumb drive?

I keep a thumb drive on my keyring for transferring sensitive files. It’s with me every day and in use almost everyday.
It’s encrypted.
Useful for Mac and Windows, useless for my iDevice.
I can use it in places where there is signal and where there is no signal.
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That's odd considering my iPP has replaced my computerS aside from my gaming rig.

So you still, need a real computer.
Ah yeah, it’s true except, except, but, but.......

 

[Narpho]

I have several Windows 10 machines including a Surface Pro. I recently had to work remote and took my 12.9 IPP with keyboard. I logged into my Win10 HVD and used Outlook, Skype, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Group Chat. I spent the day working through email and looking over a few Excels. I joined several Webex meetings and shared some content. A teammate sent me PowerPoint that I opened, edited and emailed back to him. On the road the IPP is the perfect device for me to get ‘work’ done.

 

[genovelle]

Too bad that is completely untrue. If your W10 computer is an unreliable disaster, it's all on you. You either bought a piece of crap computer to begin with, or you downloading too many "free" things from the internet.

The truth is, W10 is one of the best, most reliable versions of Windows 10. But, feel free to post links to mainstream IT sites who say W10 is a disaster. I'd be interested in what I must be doing right for my clients who have completely a trouble-free W10 experience. As a matter of fact, one client that is mixed Mac and Windows, the Mac users have far more issues than the Windows users. Far more.

Spoken like a true Windows lover. I have never ever heard any report of mix use and Windows had less issues. Every report from huge organizations says the exact opposite. I used my personal Mac at my last corporate job because windows 10 had so many issues and everything was tied to Microsoft so when it decided to go wonky first thing in the morning I couldn’t even use my computer. Soooo aggravating!!!!! I’m getting angry typing this.

 

[H2SO4]

I have several Windows 10 machines including a Surface Pro. I recently had to work remote and took my 12.9 IPP with keyboard. I logged into my Win10 HVD and used Outlook, Skype, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Group Chat. I spent the day working through email and looking over a few Excels. I joined several Webex meetings and shared some content. A teammate sent me PowerPoint that I opened, edited and emailed back to him. On the road the IPP is the perfect device for me to get ‘work’ done.

Funny post that. Two things;
I logged into my Win10 HVD.......so a regular computer is still needed in that chain.
Being remote or travelling from time to time inevitably means time with no signal. Try working with offline files then in your ‘pro’ device. Not.
A little more cumbersome but my MacBook Pro that runs Windows and OSX allows me to get everything done.
iPad is not a computer replacement. It could be if Apple allowed, but it’s not.

 

[genovelle]

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you really want to do, but I do put a multiple formats into folders on my iPad. I wish there was a quick look on iPad though.

As for the ad, if needs a real computer, then Surface Go isn’t for her neither

Agreed.

 

[H2SO4]

Spoken like a true Windows lover. I have never ever heard any report of mix use and Windows had less issues. Every report from huge organizations says the exact opposite. I used my personal Mac at my last corporate job because windows 10 had so many issues and everything was tied to Microsoft so when it decided to go wonky first thing in the morning I couldn’t even use my computer. Soooo aggravating!!!!! I’m getting angry typing this.

Seriously? That’s making you angry?
Wow.
‘Every report from large orgs.......’. Don’t believe it.

 

[KPOM]

Lol nice one Microsoft =D

And it's true iPad is not a real computer at least for now.

It is a real computer. Just as a smartphone is. Desktop PCs didn’t do everything mainframes did. They were still real computers. Notebooks for many years didn’t do everything desktops did. They were still real computers.
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I keep a thumb drive on my keyring for transferring sensitive files. It’s with me every day and in use almost everyday.
It’s encrypted.
Useful for Mac and Windows, useless for my iDevice.
I can use it in places where there is signal and where there is no signal.
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So you still, need a real computer.
Ah yeah, it’s true except, except, but, but.......

A Surface Go (or even a pro) isn’t replacing a gaming rig, either.

 

[genovelle]

Funny post that. Two things;
I logged into my Win10 HVD.......so a regular computer is still needed in that chain.
Being remote or travelling from time to time inevitably means time with no signal. Try working with offline files then in your ‘pro’ device. Not.
A little more cumbersome but my MacBook Pro that runs Windows and OSX allows me to get everything done.
iPad is not a computer replacement. It could be if Apple allowed, but it’s not.

The limitations are created by the companies making apps. Microsoft will be releasing a complete suite of their Office software soon for the IPad just like Adobe. They will have no choice. There are other options that prove it works but Microsoft has no incentive as they wanted to try to sell Surfaces. Just like with phones. The insignificant volumes and recognized loss of potential revenue from not embracing the IPad Pros power will be the catalyst for the change.

 

[Narpho]

Funny post that. Two things;
I logged into my Win10 HVD.......so a regular computer is still needed in that chain.
Being remote or travelling from time to time inevitably means time with no signal. Try working with offline files then in your ‘pro’ device. Not.
A little more cumbersome but my MacBook Pro that runs Windows and OSX allows me to get everything done.
iPad is not a computer replacement. It could be if Apple allowed, but it’s not.

Everything I did on my HVD I could do on my IPP natively. Point is the largest population of our workforce, office type workers, does not use Xcode or terminals. For us it is a computing device.

Some Pro devies are always connected, unlike the MacBook, so connectivity is never a problem. My iOS device does everything I need it to.

 

[applefan69]

And its actually true. Apple can't keep pushing a device with a mobile OS as a computer.

Yea this right here is the problem. iPad is amazingly powerful hardware wise, but the OS is lacking.

They keep saying "OH but just you wait until the NEXT iOS it will be amazing, you wont even notice the difference"... but we seem to always be able to notice the difference.

Come on Apple, get your f***ing ARM based MacOS ready already, make it compatible with touch screens & get on with the inevitable.

what is also frustrating is iOS has all the nuts and bolts to be a full-fledged ultra modern OS, but for some reason they refuse to let it fly. Seriously why don't they re-write that hunk of junk to mimic a more traditional desktop environment?

 

[genovelle]

It is a real computer. Just as a smartphone is. Desktop PCs didn’t do everything mainframes did. They were still real computers. Notebooks for many years didn’t do everything desktops did. They were still real computers.
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A Surface Go (or even a pro) isn’t replacing a gaming rig, either.

And if you are transferring files on a thumb drive, wouldn’t that mean there is a computer where you are to transfer the files to. Why not use that computer. And honestly if something happens to your keyring or the drive breaks off from continuous wear and tear. Your files are gone. If you encrypted them and placed them online they would be safer. In fact you could just iMessage them to yourself and they would be encrypted and accessible on all your devices you could also save them to notes and lock it with a long password and Touch ID. It would also be available on all your devices.

 

[Atomic1977]

This video is just a cute gimmick using a cute young girl to get you to buy Microsoft and not iPad. It doesn’t really do any more than that.

 

[ldandp0]

The limitations are created by the companies making apps. Microsoft will be releasing a complete suite of their Office software soon for the IPad just like Adobe. They will have no choice. There are other options that prove it works but Microsoft has no incentive as they wanted to try to sell Surfaces. Just like with phones. The insignificant volumes and recognized loss of potential revenue from not embracing the IPad Pros power will be the catalyst for the change.

Stop it. Do you honestly believe that? How about the limitation where you can't precisely select a string of text?
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This video is just a cute gimmick ...

Kind of like the iPad Pro

 

[genovelle]

Yea this right here is the problem. iPad is amazingly powerful hardware wise, but the OS is lacking.

They keep saying "OH but just you wait until the NEXT iOS it will be amazing, you wont even notice the difference"... but we seem to always be able to notice the difference.

Come on Apple, get your f***ing ARM based MacOS ready already, make it compatible with touch screens & get on with the inevitable. iOS has all the nuts and bolts to be a full-fledged OS, but some reason they refuse. Seriously why don't they re-write that hunk of junk to mimic a more traditional desktop environment?

Because desktops suck. That’s why most people use their phi

Stop it. Do you honestly believe that? How about the limitation where you can't precisely select a string of text?

I can. I just did it to your text by holding my finger on it and sliding. (How about the limitation where you can't precisely select a string of text?) the oasted it for you. Do you even own an Apple device. If so, You should know that.

 

[H2SO4]

It is a real computer. Just as a smartphone is. Desktop PCs didn’t do everything mainframes did. They were still real computers. Notebooks for many years didn’t do everything desktops did. They were still real computers.
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A Surface Go (or even a pro) isn’t replacing a gaming rig, either.

No, it's not a real computer. If you think it is then so is my microwave oven.
With a device that can run a full Windows OS, you're going to be able to play games on it. Some will require you to reduce the quality settings or have certain minimum GPU or processor performance requirements met and only in those senses is it not a gaming 'rig'. An iDevice will fall flat on its face here.

 

[dontwalkhand]

Once I got a Surface Pro, the iPad became a doorstop. They aren't even close and I have no idea why people settle for iPads instead of demanding a real one from Apple. iOS is so God awful.
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Why do people have to make stuff up?

I guess this picture will make some cringe, Oh no, whatever do I do now? I have tainted my Mac with Windows 10!

 

[ldandp0]

I can. I just did it to your text by holding my finger on it and sliding. (How about the limitation where you can't precisely select a string of text?) the oasted it for you. Do you even own an Apple device. If so, You should know that.

I said precisely. If you were editing a book would you be ok holding your finger on text and sliding it? Be honest with yourself.

 

[H2SO4]

Everything I did on my HVD I could do on my IPP natively. Point is the largest population of our workforce, office type workers, does not use Xcode or terminals. For us it is a computing device.

Some Pro devies are always connected, unlike the MacBook, so connectivity is never a problem. My iOS device does everything I need it to.

LOL, no. You didn't do it natively, they did it natively - you networked in. What are you chatting about? Please show me an iDevice that's 'always connected' when there is no network. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Also, if needed I can change my energy saver/OS settings to ensure my MacBook is always connected.

Great that it works for you, but it's not there yet.
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Because desktops suck. That’s why most people use their phi


I can. I just did it to your text by holding my finger on it and sliding. (How about the limitation where you can't precisely select a string of text?) the oasted it for you. Do you even own an Apple device. If so, You should know that.

Not sure about that. Try on your iDevice selecting say 2/3 of the text in reply to a quote on here. It goes all over the place.
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I thought most schools use Chromebooks now.

In the US maybe. There is also the small matter of the remaining 90% of the globe.

 

[applefan69]

Too bad that is completely untrue. If your W10 computer is an unreliable disaster, it's all on you. You either bought a piece of crap computer to begin with, or you downloading too many "free" things from the internet.

The truth is, W10 is one of the best, most reliable versions of Windows 10. But, feel free to post links to mainstream IT sites who say W10 is a disaster. I'd be interested in what I must be doing right for my clients who have completely a trouble-free W10 experience. As a matter of fact, one client that is mixed Mac and Windows, the Mac users have far more issues than the Windows users. Far more.

This is the inconvenient truth for Apple right now. Windows is no longer that big hunk of junk that is barely good enough to pass. Microsoft did the right thing and invested major capital over-hauling & dragging windows into the future with W10. In fact W7 was already halfway there.

I use windows computers all day every day at work, then I come home to my Mac OS environment & frankly sometimes I really question why I bother. It would be one thing if Macs had become more affordable over the years, but quite the opposite, seems Apple is milking it harder than ever. I am going to have to make some really tough decisions when my 2011 mini gets too outdated or fails. -Side note I really hate that Apple is not allowing my computer to run the latest MacOS, yeah yeah I know "but but Metal graphics support!", but they could have worked out a legacy system, this really puts a bad taste in my mouth.