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The surface go is a glorified netbook in my eyes. Even if I wanted to get a windows laptop, that’s amongst the last in my list. Top of the list would be the surface book for me.
 
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Yes, there are real computers and if I need one I would buy a real computer. If I need a tablet I would buy a real tablet. What I wouldn't want to buy is something that pretends to be both and is neither.

So what is a 'real' computer? Something with at least an i5? Something that doesn't throttle? Something that is only powered by more than a 5W CPU? Oh well, bad news... if it's so, the Macbook is neither a computer. Or are you telling me that just because of the touchscreen it isn't a computer anymore?

You guys are kinda hilarious
 
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So what is a 'real' computer? Something with at least an i5? Something that doesn't throttle? Something that is only powered by more than a 5W CPU? Oh well, bad news... if it's so, the Macbook is neither a computer. Or are you telling me that just because of the touchscreen it isn't a computer anymore?

You guys are kinda hilarious
Really? The remote control for my Denon receiver is a computer with a touchscreen so it should be in the same market as an iPad right?
We all have a good idea what the general public accept as a computer. The iPad is a computing device, it computes but so does my Nest thermostat. Is it a computer in the traditional sense? No.
The Surface probably is.
 
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So what is a 'real' computer? Something with at least an i5? Something that doesn't throttle? Something that is only powered by more than a 5W CPU? Oh well, bad news... if it's so, the Macbook is neither a computer. Or are you telling me that just because of the touchscreen it isn't a computer anymore?

You guys are kinda hilarious

Real computers allow users to have full control of the software and the hardware. Users should be the owner of the device, not a just a guest to use it. In my opinion, even a Raspberry Pi is a real computer. But iOS devices are NOT.
 
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Really? The remote control for my Denon receiver is a computer with a touchscreen so it should be in the same market as an iPad right?
We all have a good idea what the general public accept as a computer. The iPad is a computing device, it computes but so does my Nest thermostat. Is it a computer in the traditional sense? No.
The Surface probably is.

Is it really so important what constitutes a traditional computer and what doesn’t?
 
Is it really so important what constitutes a traditional computer and what doesn’t?
Apparently not for you - as it helps driving the iPad Pro marketing tank through noob street
(while orphaning the Mac lineup with flawed processor choices, inadequate RAM/SDD configs, an underdimensioned MBA not to pale out MB/MBP, a Pro machine in a consumer casing, a Mini without a screen etc.)
 
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Apparently not for you - as it helps driving the iPad Pro marketing tank through noob street

I believe.

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Is it really so important what constitutes a traditional computer and what doesn’t?
Personally, I think so. Yes.
If not big companies marketing departments can pull the wool over our eyes too easily.
It heats food but you wouldn’t really call a microwave oven a cooker would you?
 
Personally, I think so. Yes.
If not big companies marketing departments can pull the wool over our eyes too easily.
It heats food but you wouldn’t really call a microwave oven a cooker would you?

I like to see them as problems to be solved. Or tasks to be done.

When I get a microwave oven, it’s not because I want a microwave oven per se, but because I have food that needs heating quickly. So by that logic, if there is another product which can accomplish the same goal, then there is no reason not to acknowledge this, regardless of what it is called.

I use my microwave oven to boil water in a pinch. It’s no kettle, but can be used to accomplish the same end depending on the circumstance.

Current desktop computing paradigms are all about accomplishing more with more. iOS apps tend to be lighter, and that to me can actually be a bonus under the right circumstances, because it means that I am not being saddled with excess bloat that I don’t need.

Compare the cost of a full Wacom setup vs an iPad with Apple Pencil. Or the cost of affinity ($20) vs photoshop (monthly subscription). Yet in the right hands, the iPad is a far more versatile tool not despite its limitations, but because of them.

What I like about the iPad is its propensity towards computing made simplified and more accessible. To put it crudely, I don’t need my iPad to develop iOS apps because that’s the developer’s job, and that’s what the Mac is for.

And I genuinely believe that Apple is the company who can deliver on this utopian computing vision, simply because they are one of the few companies to understand the concept that sometimes, less truly is more.

Perhaps you are all right. The iPad is no computer. It is clearly something so much more (and less).
 
It seems that a ton of traditional PC users on here are either jealous of or enviable of the iPad. That's ultimately is a great thing for the platform as it will help adoption over time. There is no doubt that everyone can recognize that the hardware is as good as it gets, the software obviously needs to be improved, but it's pretty obvious that many would love use an iPad exclusively. Apple should take that as a push to rapidly improve the platform. Commercials like this just prove that Apple's approach is the right one.
 
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It’s mostly inertia. IT people stick with what they are used to.


Which could be said about all areas regardless of IT or not. Good luck getting a graphic design departs to hop on to Windows just like good like getting a SQL Server DBA to hop on to MacOS.

There are still lots of legacy applications that are not going to fly with MacOS and even current ones. Many do not want to hop on to a VM constantly. I mean heck there are Apple users at home that have to do this to run a decent version of Quicken let alone a long list of things they could end up needing at work.

My post isn't even a Mac vs PC thing. Someone stated Windows 10 was unreliable junk and I simply pointed out how ridiculous that is.
 
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I don't see these as mentioning any product specifically. It's a generic user of typical PC's at the time, whether it be HP, Lenovo, whatever.

You can argue actual useability, but at the end of the day, the competitors name Apple or it's products by name & compare their products to Apple's benchmark, but Apple never mentions any competitors, or compares their products to anyone.

'or compares their products to anyone'. You conveniently left that out. I see lots of examples of that in the ads.
 
So you still, need a real computer.
Ah yeah, it’s true except, except, but, but.......

Well seeing as how the iPad doesn't support mouse and keyboard, let alone mouse, keyboard, G13, Logitech Gaming software, or a 1080 Ti... Nice try though.
 
'or compares their products to anyone'. You conveniently left that out. I see lots of examples of that in the ads.

Yea, I just don't consider it the same as the recent Samsung ads or these. Apple wasn't mentioning or showing competitors products by name. I feel it's a different approach, but ultimately it makes no difference to me and I am fine with you seeing otherwise.
 
I have several Windows 10 machines including a Surface Pro. I recently had to work remote and took my 12.9 IPP with keyboard. I logged into my Win10 HVD and used Outlook, Skype, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Group Chat. I spent the day working through email and looking over a few Excels. I joined several Webex meetings and shared some content. A teammate sent me PowerPoint that I opened, edited and emailed back to him. On the road the IPP is the perfect device for me to get ‘work’ done.

So you used your iPad to Remote Desktop into a real computer to get work done? Do you not see the irony there?

With my Surface Pro I can pop it open, do work with local files and they sync when there is a network available with OneDrive. And do all that stuff right from my device. I can also RDP back to my Windows machine or network too. It's a much better work device than any iPad.
 
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