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It occurred to me today when reading this: when was the last time Microsoft was actually innovative? Windows has copied OS X for years, the Zune copied iPod, IE has been copying Firefox, now and iPhone rival. I also they might be opening their own social network site. Is Microsoft just completely clueless at this point?

Zune copied iPod? Its an MP3 player... Apple didn't invent the MP3 player.
 
I support Apple and all, but Microsoft is 10 times the size of Apple (probably more), you won't see Microsoft going anywhere for a long time.

Im interested to see a zune phone, don't think it will turn many people away from an iPhone, though.

Actually they are not ten times the size of anyone, get your facts straight.
 
enough with the verizon rumors. microsoft better rewrite windows mobile if it wants to compete with the iPhone though

You've clearly not used Windows Mobile 6.5.. Have you?

It flows much nicer. The Titanium Home screen is fantastic for navigating to your most used tasks and the new start menu is quite fantastic. It's mostly finger driven too.

I'm kind of excited about this.
 
The fact is nothing that comes out of microsoft is actually good. Its just the fact that everyone's software is developed for windows and thats what keeps them going. It's sad.

I have a windows Q9c and it runs windows mobile. I must say though, it's the best cell phone I've ever had. The software isn't spectacular but I find it very reliable and really easy to used (blackberries for some reason are not intuitive to me).

It occurred to me today when reading this: when was the last time Microsoft was actually innovative? Windows has copied OS X for years, the Zune copied iPod, IE has been copying Firefox, now and iPhone rival. I also they might be opening their own social network site. Is Microsoft just completely clueless at this point?


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I actually disagree with this. Microsoft has shown tremendous innovation lately in some departments, particularly with the evolution of C# and ASP.NET, IIS and SQL Server. But those are all reflections of its core strength as a software developer. I'm much less enthralled by their history as a hardware developer.
 
Surely if Verizon has a Microsoft phone then Apple will come to it's senses and not allow Verizon to sell the iPhone.

Please Apple do not sell out the iPhone to Verizon!

I think you may be wrong about that. Apple is not some little kid, well if you're going to carry his thing you can't use ours. Apple and Microsoft are companies, they are a business. All they care about is making money. Verizon has a lot of customers and Apple knows this, if they release iPhone into Verizon it will open up their customer base. Simply not releasing iPhone because Microsoft is releasing a phone with Verzion is admitting defeat on Apple's part
 
So they have the Zune ... guess we can look for to the Phune.

Microsoft is not competition to the iPhone just like they were no competition to the iPod.

MS is a follower, not a leader. They should really focus on getting that operating system stuff working well. Perhaps the mobile version Phista will be running on it.

Maybe they'll add a radio, too, and call it a prune.

Please, all aboard the FAIL BOAT!

Who does Microsoft think they're kidding? And not for nothing, but does anyone think Verizon would be dumb enough to pursue that instead of picking up the iPhone? Verizon has been after the iPhone since day 1 and are probably in talks with Apple as we speak.

Calling Apple to apologize for telling Apple to go pound sand when the original iPhone was presented to them and being told to go pound their own sand isn't the same thing as being in talks. :D
 
Breaking news on the VistaPhone: It will suck, have less support and sell less units than the iPhone.
 
Okay, fine. Here's the definition from the dictionary.

innovate v. to make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas or products.

Like it or not, Microsoft innovated with the GUI-based OS in the form of Windows by making it run on a wide array of hardware, i.e., a new method and product as per the dictionary definition. And if pushing your product in everyone's face is a "monopoly," (which it isn't--may want to grab for that dictionary you're so keen on referring others to) you're pretty much going to have to start accusing Apple of having a monopoly in regards to the iPhone and iPod which is silly, needless to say.



You could have said the exact same thing about the iPhone back when Apple introduced it. In fact, many did point out that there were existing products that were better at the time. How exactly does that matter?

Of course they have a monopoly, there's only like one real alternative to Microsoft which is Apple, everything else is irrelevant. Apple does not have a monoply with iphone and concerning the ipod there are many other alternative players people can choose from compared to like mostly 1 at the most 2 in the OS space.
 
And I hope Verizon never gets the iPhone.

So in other words you hope Apple doesn't expand its product line? You want Apple's phone to fail essentially by saying this. I want iPhone on all carriers eventually. If you have ATT I really don't see what your problem is if they introduce iPhone on other carriers. You got ATT you like it good for you, not everybody likes the same ice cream thats why they have different flavors. Each customer that walks into dairy queen probably will all order a different flavor of ice cream however they all might order it in a cone as opposed to a cup.
 
The iPod/Zune comparison doesn't really apply here because it has nothing to do with business users (the bulk of Microsoft's customer base, a.k.a. their biggest cash cow). Apple tried to kiss up to businesses by using MS Exchange compatibility as one of the main sales points for the iPhone, but the reception has been lukewarm (much unlike the reception among consumers). A phone straight from MS, on the other hand, could sell like hotcakes to business users. If it's like an iPhone but with total integration with Windows in general and Office/Exchange in particular, businesses will buy them by the pallet.

Sell to business users, don't they have their wonderful Windows Mobile devices, I thought they were all about getting their software on phones, lol.
 
I would buy an iPhone in a second and would be more than happy to be on AT&T the problem is if you don't even have AT&T in your area then it's not gonna happen. I live in Bend OR. I seriously don't think it's that obscure of a city...

Verizon on the other hand does absolutely suck. For the short period of time in which I did have them they were the worst carrier I'd ever experienced. Nothing bothers me more than when a sales rep will treat you like an absolute idiot. I was told that in order to get service you have to be within less than a quarter mile of their towers! Their service sucks in every way.
Another person who doesnt like Verizon, shocked really with all the Verizon is so great posts here these days.
 
It occurred to me today when reading this: when was the last time Microsoft was actually innovative? Windows has copied OS X for years, the Zune copied iPod, IE has been copying Firefox, now and iPhone rival. I also they might be opening their own social network site. Is Microsoft just completely clueless at this point?
Stop looking at consumer level products. Microsoft has Active Directory Domains, DFS, Exchange Server, Windows Server services, SharePoint, Office/Visio, .NET. There is a reason they own/monopolize the corporate environment and subsequently the consumer market. This doesn't just happen, PEOPLE BUY IT.
 
Why can't they focus on the things they're good at? Microsoft Live Labs is innovative. Photosynth is awesome, yet they treat this stuff as a hobby. I wish they would get out of their "our answer to" phase, slim down their company, flush Balmer, pluck an exec out of Live Labs and start contributing to the changing landscape of tech, rather than drafting behind the leaders who are actually paving the way. This would be good for everyone.

Agree. That would be good description of Microsoft these days. Microsoft products are soooo boring to the point of failure. Whatever they produce people seems to have verdict ready...of course negative.
 
Who does Microsoft think they're kidding? And not for nothing, but does anyone think Verizon would be dumb enough to pursue that instead of picking up the iPhone?

Sure.

ATT has the iPhone, yet guess what... they continue to buy and advertise the latest RIM and WinMo phones as well. They're not tied to one phone.

So why would it be surprising if Verizon wanted the same kind of selection?
 
Please, all aboard the FAIL BOAT!

Who does Microsoft think they're kidding? And not for nothing, but does anyone think Verizon would be dumb enough to pursue that instead of picking up the iPhone? Verizon has been after the iPhone since day 1 and are probably in talks with Apple as we speak.

Nobody ever said Verizon had to chose one or the other. You seem to think thats the case its not. If that were Verizon would stop selling all the phones it currently does to host the iPhone.
 
I'm no fan of Microsoft but let's be fair. Microsoft showed great innovation with the GUI-based operating system by making it run on a wider selection of hardware. That was an innovation that Apple famously refused to pursue and, for that, Microsoft rightly gets credit for introducing the world to the GUI. Was that not an innovative move?

No, it was a profitable one.
 
HTC, is a 100% Taiwanese owned and located company, and I predict that they will be the third party designing and making the MS phone.

HTC is making phones for pretty much every big player but Apple, they are huge.

HTC makes most of the Windows Mobile phones.
 
Damn you must really hate Verizon.

So much I wish they die slowly and painfully in a fire.

So in other words you hope Apple doesn't expand its product line? You want Apple's phone to fail essentially by saying this. I want iPhone on all carriers eventually. If you have ATT I really don't see what your problem is if they introduce iPhone on other carriers. You got ATT you like it good for you, not everybody likes the same ice cream thats why they have different flavors. Each customer that walks into dairy queen probably will all order a different flavor of ice cream however they all might order it in a cone as opposed to a cup.

I don't want the RAZR story with the iPhone. I want a quality phone not a phone that is available in quantities. Verizon does not offer quality, they only bone you and rape your wallet.
 
CLuv said:
Wonder if it will have XP mode?
lol... that would be fun *sarcasm*

What's with all the XP bashing? I don't exactly like MS but I use XP on an almost daily basis and I find it to be very stable, yet extremely flexible. People who think XP needs to be "reformatted, defragged, blah blah" every day must be doing something wrong.
 
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