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Waiting for this headline: Apple buys Nintendo.

If they do, Nintendo will suddenly be the most overpriced console maker. I really hope they don't do it.





It has a Blu-ray drive. I'm in.

I have been trying to hold off buying a Blu-ray player for a long time now because it was almost guaranteed that the One would have one (that and the fact I like a very minimal TV setup with as few boxes as possible).

Hopefully it's a multi layer player






I'm with you on the $60 games. As for the rest, I'm hoping that's just you being comically sarcastic. If it's not... wow. If the Kinect is that much of a concern just turn it around.



I don't see why the price increased to 60.

Discs are cheaper to make than cartridges were, but when they switched to disc there was no price decrease.

Then eventually the went up even higher.

I hope Microsoft changes their mind about that used game rental fee.




I'm confused. Are you saying that your hobby was looking at equipment?

To each his own. Personally, I've never played a game, watched Netflix, ESPN, UFC, etc. while staring at the 360. I have stared at the TV thou.

Same here, so cats what it looks like? If it plays right that's all that matters
 
Am i the only one that's getting both ps4 and xbox one? I never understood why people just choose one and stuck with it. I guess It's better to have one, so you can go online and trash the other team til you're blue in the face right? What feels better than going online feeling superior so you can pledge allegiance to one multibillion dollar corporation right?

Ps3 had uncharted, ratchet and clank, heavenly sword, god of war and solid hardware.

Xbox 360 has halo, forza, gears of war franchise and xbox live is the best online play if you like to play with friends. Not to mention how much kinect is maturing from a useless gimmick to something that's actually usable.

If you like games, how can you only have one? You miss out on so much and are much less well rounded when it comes to gaming experiences. I just...i don't know. I guess i'm in the minority. I also like all the phone platforms too

Having a limited budget, not being a hardcore gamer, being overly sensible.
 
I never would have guessed that the design of my VCR from the 80's would inspire the design of an Xbox lol
 
Used game fee? Pathetic.

I'm going PS4 for this gen, at least it supports PS3 games.

My understanding was that it wouldn't support ps3 only because Sony want to move all older games to be dlc. Not sure if that's true just something I hear running around. Anyway nice that Xbox gets blu-ray dive. Better late then never. Still want the ps4 before I would ever buy an Xbox. Don't know if this was addressed but to use Hulu Netflix are we still having to pay for Xbox live. That is one reason I have loved my ps3 I don't need to pay for something just to watch serves I already pay for. For me I just don't agree with that. I know people have made the augment that the online play is better on Xbox but that is a separate augment that I don't want to get into.
 
I'm going PS4 for this gen, at least it supports PS3 games.
No.. it doesn't.
Sony "plans" to introduce support for PS3 games later, but they still haven't figured out how to get their emulation working.
The PS4 suffers from the same issue the XBOX One does.
They both went from PPC to x86.

MS was smart in realizing backwards compatibility through emulation simply sucks.
 
No, PS4 doesn't support PS3 games.

Well, not the discs, but Sony bought Gaikai some time ago so PS3 games will work online...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaikai

You will be able to stream PS3 games (and potentially older PS1/PS2 games) to the PS4. In theory, they could also stream PS4 games or demos to the PS3.

However, Sony said this feature will not be ready at launch (they bought Gaikai in July 2012).

Details will have to be worked out, for example will you get a discount or even a free game when you already own the PS3 game on disc (?).
 
Which is an oft made misquote. He said he cracked the interface, not the same

I don't see how that's a relevant distinction. Microsoft didn't debut a TV; they debuted an interface, likely one that will end up looking functionally identical to whatever Apple announces. Which would, from my perspective, be quite welcome since it would reflect a serious upgrade for Siri.
 
I find it funny that many people can only pick on the aesthetics of the box. I'll take that as an admission that the rest of it is wickedly impressive. And I am a big Apple fan, but Microsoft has done a great job here.

how about this? So far from what I've seen I'm buying a PS4. And there is a lot of stuff I'm hearing (That apparently MS can't even get their answers straight) about the xBox one that I will not buy it out of principle alone. But, I will say I like how it looks. What I like better is how it will fit in with the rest of our entertainment system. Last thing I need is another funky shaped console (Which it looks like Sony will give us *sigh*) that is hard to fit in with everything else. I'm not looking at it when I play games and if I am, there is something wrong with either the game or the console or both.

Even if the xBox one was an ugly box, give me a practical box shape over the funky shapes most consoles are (and while I am more of a PS fan, I will say I thought the PS3 was pretty ugly honestly and I like the 360's looks better).
 
I would disagree with this. I would say the Wii had a lot broader appeal. Everyone from snot filled baby to elderly grandma could use the wiimote. But change that to the mess of a thing that is the WiiU controller and no really good launch titles and you have less console sales. Not hard to work that one out.

I would also say the total number of games sold on the Wii was more then the competition even though the average number of games per person was (supposedly as you say) less for the average Wii owner. The WillU is not doing as well cause it killed everything great the Wii did. It's the first Nintendo TV console I have not bought. Simply cause I can't justify it now, given the state of the WiiU. And this is coming from a Nintendo fanboi.

I believe you are mistaken. I remember reading that the average Xbox owner had purchased six games on average while, while for Wii it was 1, meaning that for must it was just their Wii Fit game or Wii Sports that was bundled.


Wii was a novelty and people got bored with it. It was a machine with tons of shovelware, due to lower visual fidelity, the cost of entry was lower, the userbase was larger, and lots of younger gamers and family type owners, who where unaware of great quality games, tended to buy random games with a fun boxart.



The Wii U controller is fine enough. The Wii controller even with motion plus was inaccurate and never allowed any real depth. You can clearly see the backlash to Zelda. That's an IP that has lost a lot of its value, due to it's wii control scheme. There are few games really worth buying for that system, and in the end nobody really counted it because it was so gimmicky.

In the mainstream media people talked about Halo, Gears of War, Uncharted, Skyrim and that sort of games. Not the good niche Wii games that came occasionally from Japan.


Everyone knew how to use the Wii, but that has nothing to do with good will. In the end, Wii U is partially failing from Nintendo alienating their core fans who loved what they did with Nintendo 64 and Gamecube.
 
Actually it won't play 360 games... But when used One games become available, it will play them. It is also not always on. Those were rumors they've debunked in the past 24 hrs... Sorry.

No, no they haven't. At best MS has managed to muddle what they are going to allow when it comes to lending or selling used games and muddle what online requirements it is going to have. There is a lot of confused info out there and at the end they kind of left it open ended on what they actually planned on doing. Just that they will have some way of allowing you to sell used games through them and some how you can play the games in your household or allow some one to play it as long as they are signed in on your account or something like that.

As for online requirement, you must have missed a lot of xbox one news cause first the VP was saying that it would need to connect once every 24 hours, and then when people had an uproar over that, it was said, "Uh, scratch that, we messed up. That is one scenario" (and literally that last sentence was not paraphrased, they actually did accept it is a possibility/scenario). And let me add, with that original rumor having so much uproar, I would have expected them to address it in the reveal if they weren't going to require online. But I would expect them to say nothing (which they did) if they were going to require it because you don't announce things people don't like when you are trying to build up excitement. Only afterwards when asked did they say anything about it, and then they couldn't even figure out what message they wanted to get across.

MS doesn't seem to know what it wants. And honestly, after that, I think they did want to make it online required and realized it wouldn't fly and then thought that maybe if it was just once every 24 hours people would be happy and got confused when they weren't (and now are trying to figure out a way to market t having to have some sort of online requirement that won't get an uproar... they haven't even ruled out it being every 24 hours, just said that it is or is not a possibility).
 
Saw this on Twitter. LOL

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What makes you say that? as far as i can tell the ps4 controller has more functionality with the touch pad. The xbox one just seems like a refined rehash of the 360.

Actually, I'll take the xbox's trigger buttons with haptic feedback over the touchpad on the PS4's controller.

And this from some one who is biased towards PS, tends to prefer the PS controller (Though I will admit I like xBoxes better for driving games if they use the trigger for throttle), and so far is thinking she will avoid buying the new xbox out of principle (pending some decisions MS I think is purposely making unclear - used games and online requirement). I mean excepting if Sony does some crappy stuff with the PS4, I probably will buy the PS4. But I wouldn't rule out buying the xbox one later (probably used) when it is cheaper and I have saved some money and might want a new toy. Except that MS seems to want to do things I object to on principle alone (I refuse to endorse the way they try to take advantage of the customer. I won't buy Live for the 360 I bought cause I object you have to have it to use things such as Netflix. MS has to give me incentives to give them money, not punishments for not. I won't play that game).

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Sorry, the asymmetrical analog sticks is not perfection to me.

Yep, hate to say it but this is the biggest reason I like my PS controller over the xbox. And the direction button is better on the PS. But I will say I like the trigger buttons on the xbox's controller. And I am jealous that they are adding haptic feedback to them on the new xbox.

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If they do, Nintendo will suddenly be the most overpriced console maker. I really hope they don't do it.

I don't see it happening. But I do think the two would work well together philosophically. They both like controlling the software/hardware (most of the good games on Nintendo are their's), they both want to make money off the hardware (nintendo tries to actually make money on the sale of the hardware unlike MS or Sony), they both try to market to a more general market (rather than one specialized market like hardcore gamers), they both want their devices to be pretty accessible to everyone. I do think pricing they would come to a head though cause Nintendo tries to make the device cheap in order to get a nice low price to entice people where as Apple wants to make it cheap in order to maximize the profits they make on it (in other words Apple does not want to pass the savings on to the customer). But they both would agree they need to make profits off the hardware, not try to make it off the sales of games later.

I think they both have very similar marketing strategies so I think they'd work well together.

But I really don't see it happening. For one thing I think Nintendo is pretty proud and I don't see them selling out unless forced (and I'd almost see them just letting the company die rather than sell it but that's just an impression I have). Just like apple ;), they want full control over what they do. And honestly, even though I'm not a Nintendo fan (hell I'll admit I'm still bitter over the fact Sega lost and now makes games for them), I'd find it sad. This is a company that has lasted more than a 100 years doing games, you gotta have some respect for that.
 
It's an incredibly ugly console with an equally ugly controller. I'm not too surprised; the original XBox was ugly, the 360 was okay if a bit impractical, and the slim actually managed to look worse than the 360 despite being smaller (glossy black is also awful for fingerprints etc.).

Even so, I'm really surprised by how bad the XBox One looks visually; I know if it's far from the most important feature, but it's like Microsoft had three different designs and went with all of them. I'd love to see Apple produce a full-blown console purely to see what they came up with, though I know a full-fledged console would be of little value to Apple.


Feature-wise the XBox One is interesting. The hardware is at least on par with the PS4 I think, though Microsoft is being a bit weird about details (they give the processor performance in cores and transistor count, alongside a bandwidth metric that doesn't seem to actually mean anything, no actual speed is given and instruction count per cycle is a bit of a question mark). However it's not clear how much of the hardware is actually free to use, as the box essentially has three operating systems; one as a kind of boot-loader/virtualisation host, one is a Windows 8 derivative for background tasks and TV features, and one is the OS for running the actual games. 8gb of RAM sounds like plenty, but if it's holding a Windows 8 instance in the background ready to spring to the fore at any moment, then that RAM may have a sizeable chunk used up before you even open any games.

The controller seems more interesting than the PS4 one; Sony have gone for tacking on a touch-screen, which I feel is more of a novelty than something many games will be able to use. Microsoft have gone for motors in the triggers to provide more fine-grained feedback than traditional rumble packs (though it still has that too), while leaving SmartGlass for enabling touch-controls; I wouldn't be surprised to see an XBox branded tablet at some point, but the controller seems like a more useful progression. That said, a lot of the controller changes are also catching up, as having a rechargeable battery built-in was long overdue to replace that expensive, terrible and proprietary add-on on top of the already expensive wireless controllers. PS3 had that feature right from day one with lightweight controllers that could still last 30 hours+ easily and charged from any powered USB port.

TV integration is the most interesting thing, as I'm still very much hoping Apple will realise the potential of the Apple TV and open it up an indie-style big-screen gaming platform (more like the Wii), while remaining available as a media centre. The big issue with the XBox One as a TV box is going to be the cost; I stopped paying for XBox Live Gold after a year as for £40 you got almost nothing, beyond the privilege of being allowed to play games you'd already paid £40 for online on servers that Microsoft didn't even run. It sounds as if the Live data centre(s) will now be an actual application platform, which might make them more worth paying for, but unless some on-demand TV channels are part of it too then I think it's going to be a sour area, as paying for Gold + on-demand TV subscriptions is going to be a deal-breaker.


This all said, I'm still strongly leaning towards a console form-factor PC for my next-gen gaming. I'm hoping Valve's Steam Box plans will be revealed soon as building a console-sized PC is still a pretty expensive proposition (most smaller cases are aimed at media centre or NAS applications), but if it became a more active market then more parts might arise. XBox One and PS4 will almost certainly be better value for some time, but the freedom of a PC as a console is just too much to pass up.
 
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