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rmwebs

macrumors 68040
Apr 6, 2007
3,140
0
No manditory xbox live. This console looks cool, but I don't feel like spending another $500 on xbox live over its lifespan.

Thats fair enough, and completely agree that for some the Xbox Live fee isn't an option. I was however thinking feature wise.
 

GoCubsGo

macrumors Nehalem
Feb 19, 2005
35,742
155
I'm kind of excited about it if it can replace my set to box and I can still play my old games.
 

lilgto64

macrumors member
Apr 13, 2009
36
0
Ohio
This just in...

Rejected names for the X-BOX ONE

the X-BOX Forever Alone

Xbox-is-Forever-Alone-200x200.jpg
 

nutmac

macrumors 603
Mar 30, 2004
6,150
7,616
Xbox One seems more of a preemptive move against iTV and Google TV 3.0.

And it almost seems like a correct move. Core gamers are very title focused. As long as each platform pumps out great games, and it looks like Xbox One is getting good launch titles, core gamers will be satisfied.

But casual gamers have quickly shifted to mobile and tablet platforms and I think Xbox One is a way to mitigate the damage by trying to give them reasons to buy even if they play mostly on mobile and tablets. In comparison to PS3, Xbox 360 has been lesser of "jack of all trades, master of none". Xbox One seems to be getting better at non-gaming features, although it looks to be lacking Apple-esque minimalism and polish.

Having said that, I think Microsoft may be making one huge mistake: Pricing. Microsoft has not revealed how much Xbox One is going to be, but I suspect it will be around $299 or more. In order to compete with mobile and tablet, Microsoft and Sony need to be more price conscious and offer a strip down version (with smaller storage, no optical drive, no game controller) for around $99.
 

derbladerunner

macrumors 6502
Sep 15, 2005
322
78
Not everyone can A) afford or B) justify plonking down $1k plus for a couple of game consoles.

There are rumors Microsoft will make a cheaper version of the new XBox laster in 2014 and sell it as a set-top-box for (older ?) consumers not into gaming.

If they can keep the price down, this looks more interesting than anything else on the market at the moment.

Apple needs to step up efforts with their "hobby" in the living room (aka Apple TV).
 

SockRolid

macrumors 68000
Jan 5, 2010
1,560
118
Almost Rock Solid
... PS: Apple was also interested in the original company behind Kinect, it was based in Israel, Microsoft beat them to it a few years ago. I would have loved Kinect technology in Apple TV.

The early bird (Microsoft) gets the worm (Kinect technology.)

But the second mouse gets the cheese. Apple could be that second mouse.
Good luck being the first mouse, Microsoft. It's unknown territory for them.
 

kaltsasa

macrumors 6502a
Jan 9, 2002
585
21
Kellogg IA
PS4 it is... so disappointing, this Xbox One.

Actually this cemented my thoughts to dump consoles all together and just throw a PC with Steam Big Picture under my TV. I just don't see anything really compelling about this or the PS4 for me, someone who just wants to play games. I've been eying up one of those Digital Storm Bolts.
 

canyonblue737

macrumors 68020
Jan 10, 2005
2,225
2,782
The leaks are out there folks..

1. First the media elements of this console as demoed are super impressive and a full generation beyond the Apple TV. The intergration with TV is really seemless.

2. While this device will cost $499 or $299 with 2 year contract with Xbox Live at $9.99 a month your choice (yep, those are pretty sold rumors) it is NOT the end of the story...

3. MS plans to release "Xbox TV" devices in 2014 that are priced and sized like a current Apple TV (ie. $99) that will extend the functionality of the Xbox One to your other TVs minus playing the actual disk based games (but will play family friendly "Arcade" like games). This will allow all the TV/media content and control to extend to all your TVs a price reasonable point.

Apple needs to get on the ball... they need an App Store for Apple TV and a way for the Apple TV to work with live television including providing guide data, control of your media stack, and internet based content along side live TV.

I don't think Apple's products are bad, but it sure seems like they let up off the gas pedal about 2 years ago... I am not pointing to the death of Steve, I have no idea why this is happening but 2013 is shaping up to be a dud (no significant new Mac designs, a iPhone 5 variant not rework, a new iPad that is thinner, a retina iPad mini, a delayed "watch" that won't likely make in 2013, and nothing seemingly on the horizon for Apple TV other than a few extra "channel" choices on the menu.) Everything rests with iOS 7. We will see.
 

bugzii

macrumors newbie
May 11, 2013
19
0
Well PS4 announcement was unimpressive, Xbox One announcement was basically a new TV announcement with a heavy emphasis on sport. PS4 wins in terms of power, xbox wins in terms of features (if you don't see them as gimmicks). Wii U announcement was a lot better than both but is hated on.

I love the high detail graphics but lets not forget that graphics is not #1 priority in games. That is why 2d indie games sell like hot cakes. Gameplay should always come first and once Wii U gets their zelda wind waker remake or other Zelda from the demo it will outsell the competition just like the Wii outsold the competition. I will get a PS4 when they get cheap though :)
 

samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,786
41,983
USA
As something that will most likely barely be visible save maybe for the front- perhaps I'm in the minority in saying I don't give a rat's behind what it looks like (as long as it's not too heavy/huge to fit in my space). I completely care about what it can do.

I know a lot of people are hung up on design. But seeing as this isn't a mobile device or something on display (in my house) - don't care what it looks like.

Not saying I am buying one (I have Apple TV/PS3 - which is a fine combo for me right now). But how it looks wouldn't enter into my decision if I do.
 

rmwebs

macrumors 68040
Apr 6, 2007
3,140
0
Apple needs to get on the ball... they need an App Store for Apple TV and a way for the Apple TV to work with live television including providing guide data, control of your media stack, and internet based content along side live TV.

I don't think Apple's products are bad, but it sure seems like they let up off the gas pedal about 2 years ago... I am not pointing to the death of Steve, I have no idea why this is happening but 2013 is shaping up to be a dud (no significant new Mac designs, a iPhone 5 variant not rework, a new iPad that is thinner, a retina iPad mini, a delayed "watch" that won't likely make in 2013, and nothing seemingly on the horizon for Apple TV other than a few extra "channel" choices on the menu.) Everything rests with iOS 7. We will see.

I honestly dont see how Apple could provide a compelling device now. Lets assume they release a set top box - its still got to communicate with the thousands of other TV systems around the world, so the 'all in one' element cant happen - ever.

So putting that idea aside, lets say their box takes the output of your existing box and overlays an OS on top of it - thats pretty much what the Xbox is doing here, and the Xbox sells in much greater numbers. Apple are not about to enter the TV market in the way they did with the Mobile market, its a completely different kettle of fish. Its simply impossible to make 1 device work across all TV systems across the world.

So if you have a choice:

An Apple TV with an OS and apps on top of your existing TV provider at a minimum of $199 (and thats VERY generous!)

OR

Xbox One, a full blown game console with the same sort of TV overlay at ~$499

Logic dictates that the One is a way better device.

It'll take some sort of never before seen amazing system to make Apples vision work, oh and the partnership of every single TV network in the developed world.
 

Liquorpuki

macrumors 68020
Jun 18, 2009
2,286
8
City of Angels
Xbox One seems more of a preemptive move against iTV and Google TV 3.0.

Pretty much all the console MFG'ers are doing their own version of TV disruption using the internet and eating into the set top box market in the process. Nintendo did their own a year ago. When I was watching the MS keynote, first thing I thought was, hey they just outdid Nintendo.

Anyway TV is one of the last forms of media that's barely been disrupted by the internet. So all these companies that are connected to your TV are trying to implement their own proprietary disruption. May the best tech win

Having said that, I think Microsoft may be making one huge mistake: Pricing. Microsoft has not revealed how much Xbox One is going to be, but I suspect it will be around $299 or more. In order to compete with mobile and tablet, Microsoft and Sony need to be more price conscious and offer a strip down version (with smaller storage, no optical drive, no game controller) for around $99.

I never get this pricing argument. People spend up to $800 for an iPad and some people get a new one every year. But a $300-500 console that's good for the next half a decade is considered too expensive?
 
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