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Actually without Microsoft, Apple wouldn't exist at all...
Microsoft saved Apple when it was on the verge of bankruptcy.

Yes, and when the Mac Plus came out, it saved Microsoft Word. Everyone in the PC world preferred Word Perfect. (I think the verge of bankruptcy saving bit was Microsoft's "thank you")

Okay, actually they helped each other... especially when the laser printer came out. A Mac Plus, MS Word and a laser printer was divine!

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Actually without Microsoft, Apple wouldn't exist at all...
Microsoft saved Apple when it was on the verge of bankruptcy.

Why should it be called The Program Store? Look what Windows has called software since before Apples App Store.


Oh, yeah, Microsoft called them "exe".
But calling their store an "Exe-Store" might have negative conotations...
 
But, going off point, I think Microsoft is testing the waters by releasing plans for Windows 8, that way they can gauge feedback, because right now, Windows 8 is just vaporware, right? It will probably be years and years before there is a Windows 8.
Vaporware... hardly. :rolleyes:
The software exists already.
Milestone builds (8064 is the current one) have been out for a while and demo units for ARM cpu testing already in the works.
The Windows 8 Developer preview build will be released next month.
 
Vaporware... hardly. :rolleyes:
The software exists already.
Milestone builds (8064 is the current one) have been out for a while and demo units for ARM cpu testing already in the works.
The Windows 8 Developer preview build will be released next month.

Yeah, after reading the previous posts, I did read where someone had the build already.
Yes, I am one of those that just skimmed the board and blathered on.
Sorry. :eek:

On a related note, Microsoft did announce Windows 8 August 2009, set for a 2012 release date. They may be earlier... just in time for Christmas 2011!
(okay, just another swipe at Microsoft... Windows 7 came out for purchase October 2009.. two months after a Windows 8 announcement)
 
Microsoft could just re-release windows XP completely re-written in 64-bit and allow for more than just 2 cores.

Honestly, that would be the only thing to go "Good move Microsoft!"
 
Honestly, that would be the only thing to go "Good move Microsoft!"

Yeah. Now that they have a secure, stable OS with a solid reputation, lets backpedal completely, ignore 10 years of computer technology advancements, and release the completely insecure everyone-is-an-admin model that gave us so much grief back in the day! Good move, Microsoft! :slow clap:

Hell, lets go back even farther. Windows 3.11 and System 7 are perfect for everyone. They only crash...like...some of the time. And who needs those fancy dualie quad core whotzits, STD drives, and touchamajig interface thingies? I know I don't! All I need is Compuserv and Minesweeper! Everything else is completely unnecessary.
 
I can't wait to see how many different, Malware and Virus programs are in the MS Store.

Will I still have to buy microsoft points?

I so badly hate microsoft points...shiver...It forces you to spend more than you want. Microsofts way of sucking as much money out of us as possible

It'll be you can buy 500 points at a time. And this new anti virus software (that wont protect you from anything, and will make you restart 5 times a day) will cost you 550 points. lol.
 
I remember watching the first minute or so of a Windows 8 demo. The first thing the guy says is "Windows 8 uses tiles instead of icons. Here's why tiles are better. They're a bit bigger and they give the application the opportunity to show off a bit of its personality."

See, THIS is why microsoft is a joke unless it is throwing its financial weight around. Users DONT CARE about being able to see the personality of the app on their desktop. They already own it. They know what it does. They just want to have access to it for god's sake.


They're making a plug at businesses and trying to use it to appeal to consumers. Fail.
 
Yeah. Now that they have a secure, stable OS with a solid reputation, lets backpedal completely, ignore 10 years of computer technology advancements, and release the completely insecure everyone-is-an-admin model that gave us so much grief back in the day! Good move, Microsoft! :slow clap:

Hell, lets go back even farther. Windows 3.11 and System 7 are perfect for everyone. They only crash...like...some of the time. And who needs those fancy dualie quad core whotzits, STD drives, and touchamajig interface thingies? I know I don't! All I need is Compuserv and Minesweeper! Everything else is completely unnecessary.

Yeah, why do we even have GUI's at all? All they do is use up system resources, we should go all command line interface to maximize the performance.
Seriously, when people say they prefer XP to Win 7 because it doesn't require as much system resources I don't get it. Why stop there? Why not go back to Win 95 or something that requires even less resources?
 
We're talking about the very concrete subject of Microsoft's history with Tablets.
No we are not, YOU are talking about the very concrete subject of Microsoft's history with Tablets.

Then maybe you shouldn't jump into the conversation. I was answering to someone who specifically talked about Windows 8 and tablets; I simply pointed out that Microsoft's history didn't support the claim.

But hey, you're welcome. Only try to turn down a bit the name calling, if you please.

People like you give Apple users a bad name.

People like you give people a bad name.
 
Microsoft should just keep improving Windows 7, its already their best OS yet. Why put in a Windows Phone UI on top of a Windows 7 UI?

It will improve on Windows 7, and its not putting a UI on top of Windows 7, its adding to the Windows 7 UI so its more tablet friendly. Microsofts vision is a 3 screen philosophy. The TV, the computer, and the phone.

Windows 8 is the computer screen which will encompass both the tablet and the "PC" DNA. No more tradeoffs like the iPad or Android Tabets. With this vision they wish to please the 94% of tablet users that say they cannot replace their "PC" with a current tablet yet.

You will have the flexibility of the PC with the benefit of a touch-first UI.
 
Microsoft could just re-release windows XP completely re-written in 64-bit and allow for more than just 2 cores.

Honestly, that would be the only thing to go "Good move Microsoft!"

And allow loads of viruses etc? No thanks. I, as a shareholder, want to see something new.... something like Windows 8.
 
See, THIS is why microsoft is a joke unless it is throwing its financial weight around. Users DONT CARE about being able to see the personality of the app on their desktop. They already own it. They know what it does. They just want to have access to it for god's sake.

Those tiles do more than just "show off their personality". The tiles in WP7 and Windows 8 are, for lack of a better word, widgetcons. They serve the purpose of both launching an application, and keeping you constantly updated at a glance. Like your weather icon will display the current temp, email will show you unread messages, Twitter and Facebook will blah blah blah ect ect ect. They're handy.

The only potential downside I can see to them is that, since they take up a fair bit of space, you might have to scroll through a few screens to get to a specific app, depending on what you already have installed. I have yet to use any tile based Windows UI yet, so it might not be too big an issue in everyday usage. This is just a potentiality based off of casual observation and other big words.

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Seriously, when people say they prefer XP to Win 7 because it doesn't require as much system resources I don't get it. Why stop there? Why not go back to Win 95 or something that requires even less resources?

I don't get it, either. I think it's ridiculous that most everyone can afford 8GB of ram these days, yet get incredibly pissed off when their OS eats up more than 256 meg (exaggeration here a bit, but...you know).

See, when I first upped from XP to 7, I was kind of appalled to see that it ate up 33% of my 4GB of memory right at boot. I thought it was sloppy, and it'd be a little more limited in what I could have running at once in comparison. What I came to realize is that 7 has much, MUCH better memory management than XP did. It's the prefetching thing. 7 sees what you use most, preloads it all behind the scenes during boot, and keeps it memory resident so it loads faster. If you have a program that needs access to that memory, it'll quietly unload it while that program is running, then load it back when you close it. The whole thing is pretty seamless, and I was able to do more faster with the same hardware under 7 than I was with XP.

But some people see that the OS is using X amount of blah, and totally freak out. Dunno why. They just do. I mean comeon. Once again, 4GB of ram is the standard these days, and 8GB is easily affordable. 95% of anyone using a computer won't come anywhere close to using up all that ram. Might as well let the OS take advantage of it.
 
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SAAS and micro-transactions were well on their way to the mainstream before Apple envisioned their App store (or even the iPhone)

Seeing as how Microsoft launched the Xbox Live Marketplace back in 2005, people who think that Microsoft is copying Apple should learn WTF they are talking about and realize that if anything, it is the other way around
 
LOL @ them who accuse Microsoft for copying Apple. Vista had an 'App Store', long before Apple had even thought of the idea for iOS. It was just poorly advertised and integrated, which resulted in it's failure.

Microsoft isn't copying Apple. Apple copied Microsoft. Or Ubuntu.
 
both counts already covered

Microsoft could just re-release windows XP completely re-written in 64-bit and allow for more than just 2 cores.

Honestly, that would be the only thing to go "Good move Microsoft!"

Microsoft Windows XP 64-bit Edition was released for IA64 systems in October 2001 and March 2003 (for Itanium 2).

Windows XP Professional x64 Edition was released in April 2005 for x64 systems.

XP supports 12-core systems (and more when they appear). It is restricted to 2 sockets, not 2 cores. It's very happy to run with 24 logical CPUs on a 12 core system with hyperthreading.
 
Why should it be called The Program Store? Look what Windows has called software since before Apples App Store.

MacOS has always had the Applications folder. Windows has always had the Programs Files folder. MacOS has .app files for executables. Windows has .exe files. Apple called the programs on iOS "apps" from day 1. I never heard Windows software called anything but 'software' or 'programs'. I don't really care, but let's not act like the term 'app' was the typical name for software until Apple started using it.

Let's say that Linux stormed into the mainstream over the last 10 years instead of Apple. They start a store and call it the Bin Store because they historically called their executables 'binaries' and put them in /bin. Now everyone starts a 'Binary Store'. Does Linux own the word 'binary'? No. Does it really make since for Windows to start using 'binary' because of its new popularity? No.
 
Oh, yeah, Microsoft called them "exe".
But calling their store an "Exe-Store" might have negative conotations...

Nope, it lists any executable as an "Application". Should Apple have the Dmg-Store?


MacOS has always had the Applications folder. Windows has always had the Programs Files folder. MacOS has .app files for executables. Windows has .exe files. Apple called the programs on iOS "apps" from day 1. I never heard Windows software called anything but 'software' or 'programs'. I don't really care, but let's not act like the term 'app' was the typical name for software until Apple started using it.

Let's say that Linux stormed into the mainstream over the last 10 years instead of Apple. They start a store and call it the Bin Store because they historically called their executables 'binaries' and put them in /bin. Now everyone starts a 'Binary Store'. Does Linux own the word 'binary'? No. Does it really make since for Windows to start using 'binary' because of its new popularity? No.

Windows has always had an "App Data" folder too.
 
Is anybody really surprised? I mean it wasn't for Xerox and Apple, Microsoft would STILL probably using DOS. ROFL!
 
MacOS has always had the Applications folder. Windows has always had the Programs Files folder. MacOS has .app files for executables. Windows has .exe files. Apple called the programs on iOS "apps" from day 1. I never heard Windows software called anything but 'software' or 'programs'. I don't really care, but let's not act like the term 'app' was the typical name for software until Apple started using it.

Let's say that Linux stormed into the mainstream over the last 10 years instead of Apple. They start a store and call it the Bin Store because they historically called their executables 'binaries' and put them in /bin. Now everyone starts a 'Binary Store'. Does Linux own the word 'binary'? No. Does it really make since for Windows to start using 'binary' because of its new popularity? No.

Windows Explorer has always described exe-files as type: "Application". I suppose it could be that Windows considers the executable itself an "Application" but a "Program" means both the executable and all resources used by it while OS X considers "Application" to be the package consisting of binaries and resources.

Is anybody really surprised? I mean it wasn't for Xerox, Apple and Microsoft would STILL probably using DOS. ROFL!

Fixed that for you
 
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