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If there's no TouchID, there will be some other biometric identification that surpasses it. I'm sure Apple won't go back to passcodes. Whether it's retina scan or facial recognition or something else, who knows, but there will be something. TouchID is nice because you don't need any special phone orientation to do it. But it does have bad times with wet hands on on dry winter days, etc. Whatever replaces it needs to be faster and just as accurate and unable to be fooled.
 
Relax people. Tomorrow there will be 12 pages of "that isn't what he really said". touch id is here to stay in one form or another.
 
MR get your story straight!

Body of the article [bold added for emphasis]:

Kuo's new predictions also continue to corroborate the iPhone 8's lack of a physical Home button, but he goes on to state that Touch ID will not be incorporated into the OLED smartphone's display. The analyst didn't provide any mention of Touch ID moving elsewhere on the iPhone 8, like the back of the device or lock button as has been previously rumored and largely debunked.

Yet your headline definitively screams:

Ming-Chi Kuo Predicts iPhone 8 Will Omit Touch ID Entirely
 
The title of this story is misleading - KGI didn't say it touchID would be omitted completely - it was stated that it wouldn't be under the screen. There is no way that Apple is releasing a phone at this time w/o touchID.

Edit: In re-reading what KGI has posted, it does appear that they are stating that there will be no fingerprint sensor whatsoever on the phone. I still find that highly unlikely. Apple can't take a step backward simply for the sake of shrinking bezels. Apple clearly isn't going to give up Apple Pay as their revenue model is continuing to move in the transactions/recurring revenue direction. This would have to mean that, without fingerprint, Apple would be expecting to have people authenticate with a new sensor (e.g. facial recognition) or using the Apple Watch. I can't see Apple requiring people to have an Apple Watch for Apple Pay. This would mean facial recognition, assuming that Apple Pay's agreements with merchants and payment providers would allow it. Maybe they believe that the facial recognition is reliable enough that this will work (the phone is typically facing you anyway when you hold it up to the terminal for Apple Pay), but it better work really, really, really well.
Unless Apple can perform some sort of voodoo magic that Microsoft can't, it won't work reliably for a large portion of the population. I have crazy hair and glasses, and about 8 times out of 10 the Surface Book wouldn't be able to identify me when I'm sitting at my desk, instead requiring me to enter a PIN or password (depending on how many times it had failed already). Even if Apple is able to double, triple, or even quadruple Microsoft's best, facial recognition still won't be "good enough".
 
MR get your story straight!

Body of the article [bold added for emphasis]:

Kuo's new predictions also continue to corroborate the iPhone 8's lack of a physical Home button, but he goes on to state that Touch ID will not be incorporated into the OLED smartphone's display. The analyst didn't provide any mention of Touch ID moving elsewhere on the iPhone 8, like the back of the device or lock button as has been previously rumored and largely debunked.

Yet your headline definitively screams:

Ming-Chi Kuo Predicts iPhone 8 Will Omit Touch ID Entirely
Typical journalism
 
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I'd lay money on there being no iPhone 8 before I would bet on it not having Touch ID. It's the entire authentication method for Apple Pay. The chances of it just not being there in any of their phone, but especially the flagship device, is negative infinity.
 
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While I have no more access to Apple's road map than your pet cat, I bet your cat's 9th life there will be some sort of secure enclave in which your data is safely stored. Now, if the access method moves away from something other than touch, I'm pretty confident that the new method will be either A) better or B) more secure if not C) both better and more secure.

It's at this point of the thread I feel the need to remind everyone to breathe. There's no way Touch ID is going away. Evolving? Sure. But going away? Not a chance.
 
Touch ID will be in the power button. That was Apple's Plan B that will become Plan A. There is no other reason to elongate the power button: secure and accurate fingerprint recognition needs the button's increased surface area.
 
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I'd lay money on there being no iPhone 8 before I would bet on it not having Touch ID. It's the entire authentication method for Apple Pay. The chances of it just not being there in any of their phone, but especially the flagship device, is negative infinity.

When I first heard the rumor about Apple removing the headphone jack I thought the same thing: "No way they would do that". Guess what? They doo'd it anyway.
 
My own take is that Apple will find a way to include Touch ID or risk having large swaths of potential buyers leave in droves for either iPhone 7s (with its lower margins) or something else. Touch ID has become such a useful and popular feature that they would be foolish not to include it.
I disagree entirely with that statement. The 7s/7s+ will be based on four year old production methods at this point using many of the the same parts, maybe even chassis, of the 6-7 series iPhones. Economies of scale and familiarity of producing these iPhones will bring production costs down over time. These savings will not be passed on to the consumer thus resulting in higher profit margins for the "cheaper" iPhones.

By contrast everything about producing an iPhone 8 will be new (internal, parts, chassis, screen, 3D sensors etc). Apple will have to tool-up factories to accommodate these first run iPhone 8's as part of an expensive investment in future iPhones. Of course Apple aren't going to loose money, hence the rumours about a $1000+ iPhone, but on these initial batch of iPhones the profit margin may be lower than you think despite the price tag.
 
No 3GB of RAM in the 4.7 - deal breaker. Ask the 6 users how they feel about having 1GB of RAM running iOS 10 after trying a 6S with 2GB of RAM.

Erm.. I could tell, if I had ALSO upgraded my 5S to iOS 10. :p Only my SE is running iOS 10. But the interesting part comes now:

5S - 1GB of RAM
6S - 2GB of RAM

<wait for it>

7S - 2GB of RAM

IMHO, a new model with 2GB of RAM could mean 6S / SE HW will be able to run iOS 11 fine. :D
 
I would be actually happy if this crappy Touch ID goes away. Doesn’t work 70% of the time anyway if your fingers are not perfectly dry.

Your opinion represent that of 0.0001% of iPhone users in my estimate. So no.
 
MR get your story straight!

Body of the article [bold added for emphasis]:

Kuo's new predictions also continue to corroborate the iPhone 8's lack of a physical Home button, but he goes on to state that Touch ID will not be incorporated into the OLED smartphone's display. The analyst didn't provide any mention of Touch ID moving elsewhere on the iPhone 8, like the back of the device or lock button as has been previously rumored and largely debunked.

Yet your headline definitively screams:

Ming-Chi Kuo Predicts iPhone 8 Will Omit Touch ID Entirely

"We predict the OLED model won't support fingerprint recognition"

Hard to interpret that any other way.

Now, on occasion he hasn't been entirely clear with his language, so it's *possible* that could be the case here, but as written he's saying no fingerprint recognition at all.
 
Good. Throw in a few ridiculous rumors to liven things up.

Too many accurate, reputable rumors these days. I miss the old stuff, and preposterous garbage like this.

Kudos. :)
 
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He also said “"We predict the OLED model won't support fingerprint recognition”

That sounds like no Touch ID anywhere on phone to me.
Maybe it means no Touch ID anywhere on the "SCREEN" but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be on the back or power button.
 
If you think about it, why would they ever include an iris-scanner without ditching Touch ID? What’s the point of having 2 of these highly secure safetybarriers at once?

You've never paid for something with Apple Pay have you. Your phone will most likely not be held at an angle where it will get clear view of your eye.
 
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