He never said there isn't going to be Touch ID. He only said it's not going to be in the display and this article just got it wrong.
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Ming-Chi Kuo Predicts iPhone 8 Will Omit Touch ID Entirely, Come in Limited Color Options
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But the second article about this says this:
"First and foremost, on the topic of Touch ID, Kuo's note clearly says the iPhone 8 will not support fingerprint recognition, a prediction some MacRumors readers thought was ambiguous in the first post based on the included wording. Direct from the note: 'As the OLED iPhone will not support fingerprint recognition, we think it may have to rely on facial recognition to ensure security. As such, we believe Apple (US) will be very demanding as regards the quality of 3D sensing, thereby increasing the difficulties in hardware production and software design.'"
I don't think anyone is blaming Apple for anything. It's technology that needs to mature. Anyone complaining just doesn't have the concept of what it takes to engineer these changes and fully understand the changes required to implement this technology.
The infrared facial recognition unlocking on my Surface Pro 4 felt like Apple magic and felt higher tech than the TouchID on my phone. It's super fast, works more consistently than TouchID for me (I'm cooking a lot as a food photographer, so always washing my hands), and it works in total darkness even though you'd first think it wouldn't.
BUT, it does sometimes have to say "move back" or "move forward" and you DO have to make eye contact. I'd say this happens 5% of the time. I'd say TouchID fails for me 10% of the time. However I'm on my phone FAR more, so maybe it just feels that way.
There's a weird psychological difference between the two as well. When Windows Hello (facial recognition) fails, I instantly accept that it's partially my fault. Yet, when TouchID fails, it's only frustrating. My finger is on the button... it should work. But, put distance and angles between your face and the sensor, and suddenly I'm more forgiving. "Of course it can't see my face from that angle!"
Really strange that Apple just started putting TouchID on computers if they were going to switch to facial recognition. Your face is FAR more likely to be in range of the camera on a computer.
Even though I'm extremely positive about the tech in that form factor, I just don't think it translates to how we hold our phones.
I CAN say this... if Apple implements it in the next iPhone, I'm sure it will be better than the 2 year old Microsoft implementation that already feels magical. We'll all be very annoyed that we can't easily unlock our phones in our lap, but the general public will probably eat that magic up. I think most everyday people will see it as progress / more futuristic at a time when we're all feeling like phones are no longer gaining any features that wow us. Ordinary people will eat it up and fingerprint scanners will feel like ancient tech from then forward... whether they are more practical and more secure or not. This is Apple... they somehow convinced half the people on this site that there was ANY benefit to removing a headphone jack on a phone that was the same form factor as the last model.
Personally, the clear winner of all security features for me is... The way the Apple Watch uses its sensors to stay unlocked while on the wrist. It's the least "magical" day to day, but it's never caused me any frustration ever. Makes ApplePay great. If they got rid of TouchID on the phone, I'm guessing you'd have to unlock the phone, then place it near the terminal.
BUT, it does sometimes have to say "move back" or "move forward" and you DO have to make eye contact. I'd say this happens 5% of the time. I'd say TouchID fails for me 10% of the time. However I'm on my phone FAR more, so maybe it just feels that way.
There's a weird psychological difference between the two as well. When Windows Hello (facial recognition) fails, I instantly accept that it's partially my fault. Yet, when TouchID fails, it's only frustrating. My finger is on the button... it should work. But, put distance and angles between your face and the sensor, and suddenly I'm more forgiving. "Of course it can't see my face from that angle!"
Really strange that Apple just started putting TouchID on computers if they were going to switch to facial recognition. Your face is FAR more likely to be in range of the camera on a computer.
Even though I'm extremely positive about the tech in that form factor, I just don't think it translates to how we hold our phones.
I CAN say this... if Apple implements it in the next iPhone, I'm sure it will be better than the 2 year old Microsoft implementation that already feels magical. We'll all be very annoyed that we can't easily unlock our phones in our lap, but the general public will probably eat that magic up. I think most everyday people will see it as progress / more futuristic at a time when we're all feeling like phones are no longer gaining any features that wow us. Ordinary people will eat it up and fingerprint scanners will feel like ancient tech from then forward... whether they are more practical and more secure or not. This is Apple... they somehow convinced half the people on this site that there was ANY benefit to removing a headphone jack on a phone that was the same form factor as the last model.
Personally, the clear winner of all security features for me is... The way the Apple Watch uses its sensors to stay unlocked while on the wrist. It's the least "magical" day to day, but it's never caused me any frustration ever. Makes ApplePay great. If they got rid of TouchID on the phone, I'm guessing you'd have to unlock the phone, then place it near the terminal.
These comments are about to become legendary and fun to read in a few years from now
Well yeah people don’t like change.These comments are about to become legendary and fun to read in a few years from now
If facial scanning does work when it is flat on the table and at night when the sensor where you look at it then people will get used to it.
In theory it will be quicker than touch ID but would they drop it from iphone but keep it going forward on the ipad that’s the question.
Just put the darn FPS at the back. People who have not used a FPS at the back just complained and assumed it would be difficult to use. My advice is go use one with FPS at back first then you will change your mind.
No, the worry is that Apple has jumped the shark in the style over substance stakes by removing useful functionality for eye candy. If true - no upgrade for me.
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So how would you use it for quick contactless payment in the subway, trains, buses, shops etc? Will people have to hold up lines of people by stopping and staring at their screen. Not going to happen.
You must be on a different tangent than I am. I'm strictly referring to the implementation of embedding the home button under display for the sake of creating an edge to edge display, which OLED has its boundaries because of this. My Point was, there's no sense in complaining from others if we don't fully understand or know what the yield issue might be with this technology and where it currently stands. Which is also one of the reasons that was speculated that Samsung placed their fingerprint sensor on the back of the S8 due to restrictions with the fingerprint sensor Embedded under the display due to OLED.
It will be no different than using touch ID where you need to hold your iphone. If the feature is high tech and better and dependable than most than it will be quicker than putting your fingerprint on it.
For many for those who have apple watch will just use that anyway.
Now you're just ignoring what he is saying.. Having to face the camera for contactless payments is suboptimal at best.
I think if this would actually happen, we would see a leak from apple through the Wallstreet Journal.
Here is my version of the (wish) list
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Do you have to 'stare' at the screen to get facial recognition to work? Facial recognition could be quicker. I remember scanning things with my iPhone 6 and surprised it gets the code before I even have a chance to put the box over the code.
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Stop sucking your fingers then
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Facial recognition?
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Do you have to 'stare' at the screen to get facial recognition to work? Facial recognition could be quicker. I remember scanning things with my iPhone 6 and surprised it gets the code before I even have a chance to put the box over the code.
I've tried to avoid the "apple would never do this" line over the years so much because they've been so good about going back on what they say and being next to impossible to predict. Jobs didn't like small iPad? Release small iPad. AND a giant iPad. Same with phones screens. Same with a ton of other things. Going back on what they say is important to them is pretty much routine now.
Having said that: of all bs rumors that I can finally say have absolutely no merit, this is it right here. Apple has invested so much into Touch ID and expanded it into other products like their MacBooks and its become such a vital security measure and part of their Apple Pay service that it's a reason a lot of people buy into their products in the first place. THERE IS NO WAY APPLE IS REMOVING TOUCH ID
Having said that: of all bs rumors that I can finally say have absolutely no merit, this is it right here. Apple has invested so much into Touch ID and expanded it into other products like their MacBooks and its become such a vital security measure and part of their Apple Pay service that it's a reason a lot of people buy into their products in the first place. THERE IS NO WAY APPLE IS REMOVING TOUCH ID
I guess this will save on battery life ? how many times does one unlock their phone in 24 hour period.
I'd also rather have TouchID, because i just gotten the hang of using it and remember to dry my hands first before using. Now we gotta get used to something even better.
I'd also rather have TouchID, because i just gotten the hang of using it and remember to dry my hands first before using. Now we gotta get used to something even better.
Well, that assumes that third party manufacturers know the exact limitations of the in-screen touch-id sensor... I wouldn't bet on that.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Ming Chi-Kuo has a solid track record in iPhone predictions, going back for years. He isn't a 'random person with no inside knowledge'.
Hate it when ignorant people talk like they know it all.
This thread is hilarious!!! Firstly you do realise that Fingerprint scanners are on the back of most Android phones and Android/Samsung pay works just fine like that. Secondly did you not stop to think Apple may have developed a very good facial recognition system? Apple will release this phone and you will all buy it, not only that you will all love it. Now quit your whinging.
Well... an ultrasonic sensor might be able to go straight through a thin cover, so there'd be no need for a cut out.
Hmm. Need to go back and look up the thickness limits on those sensors.
No it's not. You are looking at the iphone when you use your fingerprint. You won't need to do anything different
No I dont, especially when paying at a wireless register which over here, all have their NFC sensors on the side.