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You should learn to read more carefully. I never expressed a preference for either one. I'm explaining to you what is reality.




I don't know what world you're living in, or how long you've been watching sports, but in any sport all great players get the call. Michael Jordan will get the foul going to the paint and Peyton Manning will get the roughing the QB if you look at him wrong. You admit the ump was calling wide the whole night but somehow it's ridiculous for Rivera to get that call.

As for Rivera, he's not just a good pitcher...he's one of the all-time great pitchers. If you believe he would be just a slightly above average pitcher if he hot the same calls, you're a fool. No one in the sport or this forum agrees with you except that retard glfish. You get those strike zones through years of dominating just as Pedro was getting earlier in the game. LOL I don't know what chart you're pointing to with your last sentence, but if you're pointing to his stats, then you're proving my point.

First off, I wasn't trying to stick you with an argument...just trying to figure out what your position was. Now you're putting words in my mouth...I never said he would be "just a slightly above average pitcher."

Charts: Look earlier in this thread to see the charts I'm referring to--even with the "adjusted" strike zone for the wide zone the ump was calling all night, Rivera was getting calls away from the zone.

Finally, the strike zone -should- be the same for every pitcher, every time. It's not the reality, I'm aware...but there's no question that the greats look even better for getting better calls than the "average" players.
 
Whose bright idea was it to put a camera in the field of play so that these kinds of things could even happen?

Phils got screwed on the Tex "ball 4". I hope the game isn't close, no matter which team wins, just so we don't start having to deal with that kind of crap swinging the game.
 
That's putting it nicely :p

Not looking good for Philly. And CC going tomorrow? Headed into the bullpen now.

As a Philly native, I expect my teams to break my heart. No reason to get upset when things go to plan.

It took me a week after they won the Series last year to feel good about it because I kept expecting there to be a technicality that gave it to the Mets or the Dallas Cowboys just to piss me off.
 
So I turn the tv on after having been out on errands and the Phillies are leading 3-2 which is good.

Then the Yankees powerful batting order wakes up and plays like they have much of the season, with authority. I can see why they won so many games. I was afraid of this happening. I think tonight is a must win for Philly, at least psychologically.

I almost bought a Philly hat, but didn't feel like arguing with Yankees fans, and I just wanted to get home and see the last part of the game. Now I wish maybe I should have bought the hat, argued with Yankee fans, and not arrived home just to see the Yankees rally.
 
First off, I wasn't trying to stick you with an argument...just trying to figure out what your position was. Now you're putting words in my mouth...I never said he would be "just a slightly above average pitcher."

Charts: Look earlier in this thread to see the charts I'm referring to--even with the "adjusted" strike zone for the wide zone the ump was calling all night, Rivera was getting calls away from the zone.

Finally, the strike zone -should- be the same for every pitcher, every time. It's not the reality, I'm aware...but there's no question that the greats look even better for getting better calls than the "average" players.

It doesn't matter what I believe. It's about reality. Would I like to see the actual strike zone in place? Yes of course but it hasn't been that way for a very long time. If they won't call it, I would agree with players in at least having a consistent strike zone. Regardless of the strike zone great players will almost always get the call going their way. It has been this way since the beginning of sports. It may be the way it should be but it's simply not the way it is. You or I have no control over it so the point is moot.

Maybe I was misreading your statement but it sounded like you called Rivera just slightly above average pitcher (in your words "a good pitcher"). I think, among many others, think he is a great pitcher and that is not a term I throw around loosely.
 
I don't think Andy really cheated because he took PEDs in the off season to heal faster.

It doesn't really matter to me as long as he admitted the truth to everyone and didn't break any records. I just chalk it up to the bad influence of Clemens.

This is something that Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and Clemens didn't have enough guts to do. Those four players should never be allowed into the HOF.
 
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