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MLB 2009 Season
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I chose to ignore it.
I rather guessed as much.
I'm curious though: why deliberately use bad grammar?
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That game you are talking about he gave up 3 runs in 6 innings. That's not exactly stellar. Maybe a little over stated but exactly how many innings do you think Pedro can pitch considering:
-is 39 years old
-pitches to a career 4.50 ERA against the Yankees and many in the lineup have faced him a lot
-has been injured and whose arm is not in good shape
-is going on regular rest when the games against the Dodgers and Yankees he had at least a weeks rest
Pedro will not finish the sixth in Game 6 and this is the problem. Manuels has no one to give the ball to. While I respect Pedro as much as a Yankee fan can, he's not even half the pitcher he used to be. He will go out there and pitch like a very average pitcher against a tough Yankee lineup.
The only hope for the Phillies in Game 6 is if they can win a slugfest because Petitte will be pitching on short rest and he's no spring chicken either. But he hasn't been plagued with injuries like Pedro has.
I see your arguments, and you're not all wrong...but I do contend that you're getting a bit to easily wrapped up in pro-Yankee sentiment. First, they call it "regular rest" for a reason...no particular reason to strike that against Pedro. Next, you've got Pettite going on short rest for the Yankees--doesn't mean he's not a better pitcher, but it's sure not an advantage to have less rest. Most importantly though, you're nuts if you think that 6IP/3ER is "garbage"--heck, didn't Andy give up 4ER in game 3? Didn't see you calling that "garbage."
Would I bet on the Phillies? Heck no. But you're getting ahead of yourself if you're already ruling them out of at least forcing a game 7.
The Yankees are a far better team, IMHO, so if the Phillies win this one, the 2009 World Series will go down in the history books as one of the great WS, and one of the great comebacks.
If it were the Yankees down 2-3 and the final two games were going to Philly, and the Yankees won, it would be a nice win, but probably somewhat expected.
This is what the Yankees have done numerous times in WS and ALCS/ALDS series.
I don't expect the Phillies to win the 2009 WS and I don't believe most of the nation does, either. But I will be rooting for the Phillies and if they win, this series will be up there with the '04 ALCS in my opinion. I am not a Boston fan, but I was thrilled when they beat NY in that ALCS.
There is no way one can say these are two equally talented teams. The Phillie are great, this is true, but the Yankees are simply better. Now why the Yankees are better, or why they have the better players is not something that makes me happy, and it makes me dislike the Yankees. That being said, it does not change the fact that the Yankees have the deepest lineup in baseball. I knew they were good, but seeing them play in the ALCS and WS has shown me how much depth this team has.
Not only will Philly have to play two nearly perfect games in Yankee Stadium, the Yankees concurrently have to make some serious errors during both remaining games if we go to seven.
The least likely outcome that I can imagine is if the Phillies completely blow out the Yankees by 7 or 8 points in each of the remaining two games, and while this is still possible, I don't think this is the likely outcome. Some Phillies who haven't hit well, or up to expectations, may all hit two or three homers each, and A-Rod and Jeter won't get a thing.
Really, who knows until both games are played. Some years back I never thought the Blue Jays would win back to back WS.
I rather guessed as much.
I'm curious though: why deliberately use bad grammar?
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Because it is a internet forum and I could care less.
You must be busy if you go after every offender in here.
What you are saying is indicative of your feelings alone. If you think the Phillies believe that then the series is already over. They are going in with the same mentality as the Yankees. They have to win. Both teams will feel the pressure.
Yeah I call Petitte's performance lousy. He simply didn't pitch well. But I do give him credit that he did enough for the Yankees to win.
As for Martinez:
If you have an aging pitcher with arms problems, more rest is going to help him. That's why in the game vs. Dodgers Pedro was hitting 91 on the gun when he usually throws 86. He dominated. At that point he had already had a couple of weeks off. For him regular rest is pitching on short rest.
I never said that there wasn't a possibility of a Game 7 but if you think that the Phillies can be ahead in two games at NY before the eigth inning, it is unlikely as you can get when you factor in Sabathia pitching game 7. There is no pitcher that Charlie Manuel can go to and say "Win me this game". They almost blew a game that should have been a blowout.
Don't you have to beat the D'backs in the World Series to truly be avenged?
Both can happen and have happened before. Not too likely though. That's why they play the games.
Just because, in any sport, one team is better, does not mean they automatically win. When a team is better, in the context of a series, they win more than they lose. If broke down into numbers, that's 51% percent or better.
In this case, it appears the Yankees are the better team. Yes, that's my opinion but one shared by most of the people I have talked to concerning this WS.
And the Phillies are probably the underdog, and this is where my feelings come in. I like to root for the underdog. My feelings want Philly to blow the Yankees out. My head says it can be close, but in reality the Yankees will win tonight. If the Phillies push it to game 7, then great. If they win this WS, then it's one of the more memorable WS I have ever seen. I wasn't around watching baseball during the '60s Dodgers pitching, or the Yankees great dominance of the '50s. But I do remember the heroic A's of the 70s, the Reds, the great string of pitchers Atlanta had, Sammy Sosa's great seasons, Ichiro, and of course the records Barry Bonds went after. Those were exciting times and at least the latter included my team.
In World Series play, the team with the better regular-season record has won 49% of the time. In other words, it's a coin flip. There's nothing about the Yankees' superior won-loss record that tells us who would win this World Series. A best-of-seven series is too small a sample of a games to give an edge to the team that's better "on paper".
Obviously the odds are much more against a team that's down 3-2 with games 6 and 7 on the road though.
All I'm saying is that the Phillies do feel a ton of pressure as well. If the Phillies go out there and think that the Yankees are the better team, then they've already lost. You could see the pressure on their relievers' face as before he got Jeter to hit into the DP in Game 5.
Anything is possible. I stopped watching baseball for two years because of 2004 but the Sox were a great team. While the Phillies are tough and have an unbelieveable lineup, they have no pitching left. While anything is possible they have almost everything working against them in these last two games.
I may just be talking from my own experience. I love tennis as far as doing sports. I always do my best when I know I am playing somebody better than me. Sometimes it raises my game to the point I actually win. But over a large course of games, I usually lose though my overall game is better/cleaner than if I played with somebody who is a beginner.
It also relates to other things, too. When studying advanced stats in grad school, I was the only person in the class with a liberal arts/non-science undergraduate degree, but the rest of the class all had their bachelor's or master's in engineering so they were solid in all maths. Basically, this raised my game and the class went far more than the two textbooks they had us use.
Also I love to play music. I am so so, or as good as I am going to get without being a good sight reader. So when somebody puts an unknown sheet of music in front of me, I freeze. But in music improv. class when I am around people who are great sight readers, somehow I start to read better than I thought I could and it also makes me play better, especially on a song I have never heard before.
I think the Yankees are so good that the Phillies are raising their game to match them. Certainly Lee has pitched some great games, and the commentators said even his weaker game was a very well played game.
So for me, and many people, when you are around those who are better than you, it raises your game.
If 7 games is too small a sample to show the better team, how many games in a series would you think would reflect a better team winning a statistically significant amount of times more than their opponent?
Personally, I don't know but I can ask my former teacher or some numbers guys I know in the gambling field. Would it take best of 11 games perhaps to show the true colors of a better team? or 21 games? or would it be random to infinity with a different dynamic taking over once postseason starts, as in a tabla rasa state?
I'd rather just see a best of 7 series played with no travel days/days off. Teams go cross-country all season long and play same-day. Eliminate the time off so that the teams with depth are rewarded accordingly.
That would kind of make things easier for us viewers. When I first started watching baseball and football, I simply didn't have the patience to watch 7 games in a WS, especially the way they are spaced out. But when adult life kicked in, and work became an "endless" season, 7 games actually goes by quickly when you have to pay bills, clean the house, go to work/school, do the dishes, and even catch up on other programming. This whole postseason seemed to have gone by really fast this year. It could all end tonight and then I will sit there thinking "where did baseball go?".
During the day, I crunch numbers, so even the most exciting thing I see is boring compared to anything that happens in baseball. If anybody here thinks watching baseball is too slow, try golf or bowling.
yeah the only way i can watch golf is if tiger woods is playing other than that meh but good game so far matsui Just missed a 2 hr shot that was foul by few feet.That would kind of make things easier for us viewers. When I first started watching baseball and football, I simply didn't have the patience to watch 7 games in a WS, especially the way they are spaced out. But when adult life kicked in, and work became an "endless" season, 7 games actually goes by quickly when you have to pay bills, clean the house, go to work/school, do the dishes, and even catch up on other programming. This whole postseason seemed to have gone by really fast this year. It could all end tonight and then I will sit there thinking "where did baseball go?".
During the day, I crunch numbers, so even the most exciting thing I see is boring compared to anything that happens in baseball. If anybody here thinks watching baseball is too slow, try golf or bowling.
I think Matsui is a garuntee Sign Look at how much they are probally getting with Yes and marketing over in Japan its huge probally. I think they will keep matsui as long as possible I would love to keep Damon to.