More Apple Notebook Details: Clickable Glass Trackpad, GPUs, Pricing

[Anuba]

Is Apple making a marketing/financial decision with these screens? Matte screens don't sell, except to the vocal few in this forum? Are they more expensive to make and hence lower margin? Anyone know?

I'm guessing matte screens are like 160 GB iPods, they were unpopular to a point where Apple felt that it was more profitable to ditch that model altogether, bump the 80 GB model up to 120 GB, put up with the complaints of a small but vocal group of fans for a while, and move on. Who knows? We don't have the matte/glossy sales ratio, Apple does.

 

[Hattig]

That's the one I'm trying to confirm. Can a 9400M GeForce Boost a 9600M GT? If not, then this will be a massive underwhelm-fest, if so, then the graphical power of this MBP can be considered high end for sure.

Well the integrated graphics would be the 9300M - I'm suspecting that there aren't any discrete graphics in the MacBook, but that when the laptop is on external power, the integrated graphics get a clock-speed boost to improve performance, and that is being called "9400M".

That, or NVIDIA have made a chipset variant especially for Apple with a more powerful GPU...

However the discrete GPU would explain why the price isn't dropping. It's not as if GeForce Boost and Hybrid Power or whatever they do actually significantly improves graphical performance when they are activated.

I think the best bet is to wait 6 hours.

 

[econoline06]

What?! It doesn't look EXACTLY how I want it to look? SOBs at Apple!!!! WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN MEEEEEEEEE

*Throws current MBP against wall, lights on fire, sucks thumb in corner*



</sarcasm>

 

[andyjam]

The amount of misinformation in this thread is staggering.

Reread the article. And then come back and tell me where it says the MBP will have a "sheet of glass."

As was clearly outlined in the original post, there most likely would be a sheet of glass in front of the display... Like the iMac...

 

[Mackan]

This update sounds very messy, not like something Apple would do. Not updating the whole line at once?

And what's up with that thick black bezel on the MacBook Pro?

 

[Tosser]

What?! It doesn't look EXACTLY how I want it to look? SOBs at Apple!!!! WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN MEEEEEEEEE

*Throws current MBP against wall, lights on fire, sucks thumb in corner*



</sarcasm>

Except, this isn't about looks, but useability, this isn't about feeling "forsaken", but having pro features nixed in order to cater to ignorant consumers who'd prefer to watch contents instead of creating it.

 

[ts1973]

Hell people, this isn't even about 'designers' or graphics editors, someone brought that up 8 pages ago and some glossy fanboy decided to rail on it, as if it's the only defence the 'matte lovers' have.

No, just no - I don't design graphics at all on any of the machines I use but I do play games, I do use several completely black websites, I use dark terminal windows, I watch on occassion movies or TV shows with dark scenes (BSG)

Glossy (in my opinion.....) is vile, it is filth, I can not emphasize to you people just how much I loathe it, I absoloutely hate it, I hate it with a passion, it is without any doubt in my mind the dumbest idea I've ever EVER seen in my life! It astounds me constantly that people would ever defend it.
Now I've whined about a lot of things in my time on this here internets, let me tell you, I'm a whinging bast....... but glossy screens take me to a whole new level.

I have NO problem with it being an option, if you people want it, awesome - get into it, enjoy it, love it (although as a tech, when I fix your computer, be prepared for me to whinge about it) but any product sold in glossy only is effectively useless to me.

I mean a dead pixel is annoying but even those you can sometimes stop noticing them and get over it, but glossy is there to stay, it's like that mole on that guys face in Austin powers - you simply can't not notice the damn thing.

In conclusion, glossy displays are faulty, they have been manufactured with a defect, direct from the research and marketing team fiddling with things they shouldn't, they are designed for people who casually use a computer and don't sit behind one for 12 hours a day

Oh and for the record, I do NOT use my laptop or my desktop outside, ever - but every, single glossy display I've encountered is STILL too shiny, I do not want to see ME when I'm trying to damned well read something.

I can only guess those of you who actually like it are looking at bright, white content ONLY all day long.

Here's a random dark picture for you glossy users, have a click.
http://visservices.sdsc.edu/projects/enzo/images/dark_s_018000001.jpg
How do you like looking at yourselves, you're so vain, you probably think this post is about you, don't you?

Love your post, had a good laugh, and even agree with it, albeit not on the same whine level

I will have a look at the MBP in person first before making a final decision though.

 

[econoline06]

I'm guessing matte screens are like 160 GB iPods, they were unpopular to a point where Apple felt that it was more profitable to ditch that model altogether, bump the 80 GB model up to 120 GB, put up with the complaints of a small but vocal group of fans for a while, and move on. Who knows? We don't have the matte/glossy sales ratio, Apple does.

Matte screens are overrated (puts on flame proof suit). I like how they look, but I wouldn't complain if all we had were glossy displays. My MacBook and iMac both have them and I haven't had ANY problems with glare. I know I know, I'm not a "Pro", but honestly how many of the people who claim to be actually are.....If everyone is so concerned about the glossy screen, go purchase an external Apple display, of if Apple for some reason stops making matte cinema displays, go purchase another brand that still offers them. Pretty simple IMO.

 

[Wierd Fishes]

YAAAY!! Faith restored! Screw You Guys! Bitch to your moms! YAAAAY!!

 

[hobbbz]

I hate glossy screens. I work in design and advertising and have done for many years. So your girlfriend doesn't mind? Maybe she's no good.

Your tone is very insulting to all those people here who know that colour representation on a glossy screen becomes wildly inaccurate. A non-glossy screen can be bad enough for true colour matching. Glossy just doesn't work at all.

Get yourself a Pantone swatch book and compare the colours with their screen counterparts and you'll see how ***** it is.

your tone is very insulting to those of us who work in interactive and couldn't give a damn about a pantone book. In my line of work (advertising) you can't trust what a users screen will look like anyway so you work as best you can and move on. In the end you'll see unless you're wildly uncalibrated no on will notice or care.

 

[840quadra]

After taking a moment to think about it, I am personally not concerned with the lack of matte finish on the MacBook pro. I know the reflection will be problematic, however I strongly suspect that we will either see an apple branded or 3rd party screen film offered for them. The ideah isn't too outlandish as there are currently plenty of options for static screen protectors for the iPhone and iPod touch. It will be harder to apply, but I am sure it will be worth it for the anti glare effect.

840

 

[golby]

That's the one I'm trying to confirm. Can a 9400M GeForce Boost a 9600M GT? If not, then this will be a massive underwhelm-fest, if so, then the graphical power of this MBP can be considered high end for sure.

We may not know till wednesday. As of right now the 9600M GT does not have geforce boost w/ the 9100M Chipset. Quote from nvidia's site, "When combining a discrete GPU (GeForce 9300M GS or GeForce 9200M GS) with GeForce 9100M G motherboard GPU, GeForce Boost technology kicks in for an increase of performance. This is equivalent to a GeForce 9400M discrete GPU class performance." Funny though the 9400M is not announced yet. Hopefully the other gpu's will be geforce boost comp with the 9400.

 

[amammad]

LOL, no - just no.
SOME people like glossy screens, most people I know who actually have a glossy screen were disapointed with them when they got them unwittingly - some end up liking it, some convince themselves they like it and some outright hate it.

It's defective, period - the product is unusable, it's like putting some kind of weird stylish foam over your speakers for aesthetics but in reality it stuffs up your sound.
Ridiculous

No it's not defective.

You don't like it. Others don't like it. Many others DO like it.

Get over it and stop ranting like a loon!

 

[econoline06]

Love your post, had a good laugh, and even agree with it, albeit not on the same whine level

I will have a look at the MBP in person first before making a final decision though.

What? That guy is nuts. The "dumbest idea ever"? Wow, apparently he is 5 years old and hasn't seen the ridiculous ideas coming out of our current 2 party political system.....

 

[flyingkite]

Why does it seem that Apple's answer to everything is glass/high-gloss?

Maybe because Apple has included anti-reflection coating on them. And making them color calibrated quality compatible for professionals. The good thing about gloss screen are blacks are "blacker" and colors are richer, all they need is to reduce reflection.

 

[pol0001]

My guess:
- MBA with a significant price drop (to current MB levels), also a small update
- MBP - new design, 15" and 17" , or perhaps 14 and 17, a couple of completely new features (lie that trackpad with no buttons)
- Macbook - either completely dropped from the line (replaced by MBA), or the old model would just continue to be sold for a while at 899$ with a minor update

The MBA is destined to replace the MB one day - all those ports and drives are being replaced by wifi anyway, and it's reasonable to make the laptop smaller finally (as the ordinary size has remained for so many years now, if not even bigger). Maybe that day is today

The MacBook Air wont replace the MacBook for one simple reason:

MacBook Air = Mobility ist the top priority
MacBook = Desktop replacement

As long as the MacBook Air doesn't come with significant large HD option, I will never be able to replace the MacBook.

 

[Tosser]

Matte screens are overrated (puts on flame proof suit). I like how they look, but I wouldn't complain if all we had were glossy displays. My MacBook and iMac both have them and I haven't had ANY problems with glare. I know I know, I'm not a "Pro", but honestly how many of the people who claim to be actually are.....If everyone is so concerned about the glossy screen, go purchase an external Apple display, of if Apple for some reason stops making matte cinema displays, go purchase another brand that still offers them. Pretty simple IMO.

Again, I don't think you people quite "get it": Do you expect people to carry around a cinema display on-the-go? Well, do you?

 

[econoline06]

your tone is very insulting to those of us who work in interactive and couldn't give a damn about a pantone book. In my line of work (advertising) you can't trust what a users screen will look like anyway so you work as best you can and move on. In the end you'll see unless you're wildly uncalibrated no on will notice or care.

Haha, word. Anal "professionals" strike again eh?

 

[Johnny98]

Can a 9400M GeForce Boost a 9600M GT?

Will the MBPs have GeForce Boost was one of your questions. Answer, it depends. If the card is a 9400M, the answer is no. If, as someone else noted, it is the 9300M, then the answer is yes. See this for details as to which cards can use GeForce Boost or not:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/hybridsli_notebook.html

 

[hamzab]

Is it Me or are these posts becoming too much!

However, theres only 5 Hours and 42 mins (at the time of going to press) left until event so why dont we calm down?

 

[kis]

If everyone is so concerned about the glossy screen, go purchase an external Apple display

and bring it along to your next wedding shoot?

 

[08380728]

glossy finish? thats a bit under described. more like mirror finish. you just have to look at the spy pic, it shows a perfect mirror reflection of the ceiling. talk about house of mirrors wot a joke.

 

[F.D.]

your tone is very insulting to those of us who work in interactive and couldn't give a damn about a pantone book. In my line of work (advertising) you can't trust what a users screen will look like anyway so you work as best you can and move on. In the end you'll see unless you're wildly uncalibrated no on will notice or care.

What the hell are you talking about? How in the hell did I insult those in 'interactive'??!! I never even mentioned you. Neither did I attack or insult anyone for liking damn glossy screens.

If you want to have a pop pick on the right target next time buddy.

 

[Philz]

No new iLife

Reasoning:
If you belive the new pictures, the iLife logo on the box from JR is the same as current one!

Sorry everyone hopeing for that.




As for the Glossy Mongers, it can be done right. I have a nice Pro NEC display, and it's glossy. They have there own "film" I belive, but at my home I never get any glare on it. It is 450 for brightness, but isn't as bright as my 350. So I think it's the glossy film, but treated for anti-glare, and calibrated around that. It even has SRGB profile! So don't say a designer cant use a glossy as that is bull. Calibrates just fine with spyder/eye-one.

I agree that *most* Glossy's are crap, crap, crap, however it can be done well. I think it's just a predisposition to hatting them that most people get WTF OMFG WTH for. Silly really. Photographers started with glossy on photo paper and they didn't whine like everyone here!

for the foreseeable future.

Yes, I have a early '08 Macbook Pro, and might consider this new one.

 

[SimonMW]

There doesn't seem to be much logic to this update. Updating two of the MBP's but leaving the 17" with the old case etc? Keeping the top end MB but without the extra features of the two models below? Doesn't make sense at all.

How many glossy screened MBP's has anyone ever seen? I've never seen one. Ever. So that would suggest that barely anybody goes for the glossy screen option! So why in the hell would they make the new models glossy only?