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I will not be buying any laptop with a glossy screen. Ever.
I'll switch back to PC if I have to, I am not buying a laptop with a glossy screen.
I'll wait till the actual event to cry, but this is ludicrous. How hard can it be for Apple to include Matte as an option? I'd even drop some extra cash for it.
 
800+ posts of moaning?
Eesh, wait a few hours, then moan at least, we have no idea if any of this is true!

I know. Some people believe every rumor they're fed. I'm just tired of hearing about glossy screens, so I didn't read too many firsts pots before mine and have given up on threads in which glossy screens are even mentioned in the MacRumors post.

To the matte-complainers: yes, it sucks that you might not get to choose matte. Now stop saying it over and over and email Apple and complain, but at least wait until after the updates to see if the rumors are even really true. =O

Edit: the person directly above this post is complaining. LOL At least they're waiting though.
 
A phryer (fryer) is someone who categorically dismisses all spoiler info (about future products, upcoming movies and TV shows etc) based on statements like "Suckers! It's a FAKE! Photoshopped!" and/or conspiracy theories about the company orchestrating a massive, clever disinformation campaign to throw everyone off.

Only to find that the spoilers were actually spot on, and everything was just as simple as it seemed.

The phryers come out of the woodworks every time there's an Apple event. When the iPod Nano 4G pictures were leaked, when pictures of iPhone 3G cases were leaked, when mock-ups of MBA were posted... every time the rumors have been almost 100% correct.

I think the MacBook Pro case design is pretty set at this point by the multitude of rumors, however, the MacBook case is still anyone's guess!
 
Why would you fear this as a shareholder? If they introduce a notebook with the 2.0 ghz chip at a $899 price point, that is going to sell like hot cakes....and Apple's stock will continue to outperform.

Because I'm thinking, on the basis of what they managed to do for the ipod update, that it's plausible that the rumours are correct - that the $999 laptop to hit the magic $1000 will be the old 2.1 macbook with things like a combo drive etc.

The new macbooks will be 1299 and 1499, faster because of a 1066mhz bus, much better graphics, but still slower on the headline processor speed and the same price as the old macbooks - i fear that the analysts are hoping for cheaper across the board in the current financial situation = underwhelming :(
 
I do DJ photography and often cover the top 100 DJ's.
I consider *them* pros. Every single of them use matte....

Who's overblown and inaccurate again ?



^ nothing but overexageration. I'm a DJ, and I work with a different PROPER PROS every weekend. They all use MacBookPro's every single one in the industry. And None of them know, nor care what kind of screen they have. In fact the only NON glossy screens I see are on people who still lug around old powerbooks.

sorry, you're overblown and inaccurate.
 
I think the MacBook Pro case design is pretty set at this point by the multitude of rumors, however, the MacBook case is still anyone's guess!
Yep, not to mention the prices. If this is Apple's idea of aggressive/competitive pricing, they're bonkers.
 
i wonder how many of these people actually need a glossy screen and are just going along with the crowd ?

matte screen looks like crap, looks like someone smeared Vaseline all over the screen.
 
My partner switched to Mac in August of 2007 and he had a hard time finding the matte screens. He had to go to two-three stores to find one in stock. The reason? Everyone hates glossy screens! Matte was in such high-demand that you couldn't even find one. With that type of data (at least in the D.C. area), I am surprised Apple wouldn't release the option. Supply and Demand is an easy concept and I doubt it is one that Apple would ignore.

Uh, or because glossy screens are in inventory because that is what 99% of people were buying.

I bought a matte MBP too, so don't shoot the messenger, but this thread is ridiculous.

First, there seems to be a lot of professionals who all of a sudden have a lot of time to spend reading inane rumor threads. Second, to all these professionals, if you didn't color correct your matte display, it was just as unreliable as a glossy display. And, an earlier poster was correct, even matte laptop displays aren't reliable, even if color corrected, for true pre-flight color work. Color correction is largely a farce anyway, unless you are working for print, as everyone views your digital work on crappy, miscalibrated monitors anyway. And the majority of print shops use CRT (Sony Artisan) for their color work.

I can say for certain that customers were choosing glossy displays over matte ones for the MBP at nearly 6 to 1 in our Apple store. This stat doesn't include all the people who bought MB who already preferred glossy, but didn't have a way to choose, and thus we couldn't track.

Apple has always been about making choices for the consumer to make the product simple. That invariably pisses people off. And it should. Windows doesn't out-sell Apple computers 33 to 1 because it is a better OS. Choice matters to a lot of people. Custom-to-order monitor finishes never seemed very Apple-like.

I'm sad to see matte go, also as a personal preference, but I'm not going to wail and gnash my teeth and pretend that my livelihood depended on matte.

I predict a fairly robust second-hand market for prior generation MBPs for about 3 months. And then I predict this whole issue ("wtf, no matte, Vista for me then!") will die down as people fall in love with this newfangled track pad and SLI-Nvidia doohickey, and start praising Apple for Snow Leopard. This no-matte decision will be a blip on the radar, like dropping Firewire from iPods. Its something for people to complain about, but not something professionals (whatever that means) are really jumping ship over.

You don't drop thousands of dollars in software, pre-existing hardware, and and unquantifiable amount of money in knowledge investment over a laptop screen finish. Quite hyperventilating. Who doesn't at least work on an external monitor at their desk anyway?

This decision does screw a couple of people I know who do photo work in the field. But of the many of field-based photographers I know, very few try to color-correct results on their field laptop, whether it be Mac or PC. If you are going to print from the field, you usually are going through an agency anyway and aren't retouching - e.g. journalists - or you get near great results out of the camera, and use the laptop to select keepers, not color correct. I think a more important question will be how durable these new MBPs are with glass trackpads, and what appears to be a big piece of effing glass across the entire top half.

(and if it seems disingenuous to call into question the professionals on this forum who have time to post, and then post myself - well all I can say is that the recession has hit hard, and I currently have a lot of free time).
 
i hope that the new screen is a dock, then I may go for a 15"... But I really wanted a 17" to replace my aging PowerBook G4 17.
Should I wait a few more months????
 
Yep, not to mention the prices. If this is Apple's idea of aggressive/competitive pricing, they're bonkers.

They will get aggressive on MacBook pricing, not MacBook Pro pricing. Anyone who is purchasing a MacBook Pro is not doing so based on price. The MacBook is where the value-based consumer is looking, and they will compete there.
 
You can have that hope but they're not going to change because of forum posts.

You mean, like they didn't change the NDA on the iPhone SDK or like they don't allow to turn off the auto-correction on the new firmware?
Or like other companies have not adjusted their products or even strategy due to forum buzz?

It is quite common for companies to react on the basis of criticisms or forum posts. It is actually becoming increasingly common, because they know that blogs and forums can destroy expensive investments in advertisment or PR in a matter of weeks if not days.
 
800+ posts of moaning?
Eesh, wait a few hours, then moan at least, we have no idea if any of this is true!

Make that "800+", plus another one. ;) No more matte screens? Oh ****! Just hope that rumour proves incorrect. I have 2 Macs & I do far more work on my matte laptop than on my glossy iMac for practical reasons. If matte-screen choices disappear from all Mac laptops, this will be a big bummer for a lot of people.
 
I do DJ photography and often cover the top 100 DJ's.
I consider *them* pros. Every single of them use matte....

Who's overblown and inaccurate again ?

Im confused. Your a photographer who shoots DJ's? I can see you caring about matte vs glossy but why the hell would a DJ care?

Im guessing, as usual, that my understanding of your statement is way off. Please correct me:)
 
Im confused. Your a photographer who shoots DJ's? I can see you caring about matte vs glossy but why the hell would a DJ care?

Im guessing, as usual, that my understanding of your statement is way off. Please correct me:)

Are you for hire? I was at a wedding last week and I wanted to shoot the DJ!!
;):D
 
They will get aggressive on MacBook pricing, not MacBook Pro pricing. Anyone who is purchasing a MacBook Pro is not doing so based on price. The MacBook is where the value-based consumer is looking, and they will compete there.

Yeah I know, but the rumor says $999 for the old MB, and that's nowhere near competitive. The analysts were speculating about a killer machine in the $500 ballpark.
 
Uh, or because glossy screens are in inventory because that is what 99% of people were buying.

I bought a matte MBP too, so don't shoot the messenger, but this thread is ridiculous.

First, there seems to be a lot of professionals who all of a sudden have a lot of time to spend reading inane rumor threads. Second, to all these professionals, if you didn't color correct your matte display, it was just as unreliable as a glossy display. And, an earlier poster was correct, even matte laptop displays aren't reliable, even if color corrected, for true pre-flight color work. Color correction is largely a farce anyway, unless you are working for print, as everyone views your digital work on crappy, miscalibrated monitors anyway. And the majority of print shops use CRT (Sony Artisan) for their color work.

I can say for certain that customers were choosing glossy displays over matte ones for the MBP at nearly 6 to 1 in our Apple store. This stat doesn't include all the people who bought MB who already preferred glossy, but didn't have a way to choose, and thus we couldn't track.

Apple has always been about making choices for the consumer to make the product simple. That invariably pisses people off. And it should. Windows doesn't out-sell Apple computers 33 to 1 because it is a better OS. Choice matters to a lot of people. Custom-to-order monitor finishes never seemed very Apple-like.

I'm sad to see matte go, also as a personal preference, but I'm not going to wail and gnash my teeth and pretend that my livelihood depended on matte.

I predict a fairly robust second-hand market for prior generation MBPs for about 3 months. And then I predict this whole issue ("wtf, no matte, Vista for me then!") will die down as people fall in love with this newfangled track pad and SLI-Nvidia doohickey, and start praising Apple for Snow Leopard. This no-matte decision will be a blip on the radar, like dropping Firewire from iPods. Its something for people to complain about, but not something professionals (whatever that means) are really jumping ship over.

You don't drop thousands of dollars in software, pre-existing hardware, and and unquantifiable amount of money in knowledge investment over a laptop screen finish. Quite hyperventilating. Who doesn't at least work on an external monitor at their desk anyway?

This decision does screw a couple of people I know who do photo work in the field. But of the many of field-based photographers I know, very few try to color-correct results on their field laptop, whether it be Mac or PC. If you are going to print from the field, you usually are going through an agency anyway and aren't retouching - e.g. journalists - or you get near great results out of the camera, and use the laptop to select keepers, not color correct. I think a more important question will be how durable these new MBPs are with glass trackpads, and what appears to be a big piece of effing glass across the entire top half.

(and if it seems disingenuous to call into question the professionals on this forum who have time to post, and then post myself - well all I can say is that the recession has hit hard, and I currently have a lot of free time).

Very nice post. Well said... I think "professionals" is another word for someone who works for a small company and feels the need to let people know that they have a job. Professionals don't need to tell people they're a "professional"...
 
It's assumed that some of the side shots (the ones without the FireWire ports) are of the 13" MacBook. Of course, no one knows for sure, but I think if those pictures were real then they were the MacBook and the MacBook Pro, not just the Pro.

jW

yea, but i actualy meant pictures of the complete macbook, like the ones pictured by JR.
 
For what it's worth, I called a local Apple Store (Yorkdale Mall, in Toronto) asking whether they are allowed to say whether boxes which they are not allowed to open have arrived, and they said no. Like I said, for what it's worth. If this employee is to be believed we can assume that today will be for announcements, rather than release.

EDIT: Also, does anyone know whether a BTO MBP would be faster through the online Apple Store or through a campus Apple-authorized reseller? Both will give me the student discount, so I'm just looking for whichever will be faster.
 
I reckon the new display @$899 is nothing particularly special (i.e. no dock) - but will be a pro quality matte 24 inch ips/pva to be sold as - "hey if you really need a matte display then get this with your macbook/macbook pro" - which might be good for Apple's bottom line if they sell well - but doesn't help me wanting a matte replacement for my tibook!
 
I'm sad to see matte go, also as a personal preference, but I'm not going to wail and gnash my teeth and pretend that my livelihood depended on matte.

I like your whole post, but this is pretty much true. It sucks that they're going and it sucks that people don't get an option, but not buying a Mac JUST because there isn't a matte option is kind of dumb. I just feel like everyone is overreacting like, as you say, their livelihood depended on it. It's annoying seeing people say the same thing over and over again. I personally like them both and don't know what I'd choose given the option, but I feel like I only feel this way because I always see people complain when I really used to like glossy before I even heard people hated it so much. It's not that bad, seriously. =/ Ooh, a glare? Who sits in direct sunlight on their computer anyways? Isn't that bad for the screen?
 
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