More Details on Verizon's iPad and iPhone Negotiations Reportedly Surface

[PatrickCocoa]

"Reportedly Surface"

"More Details on Verizon's iPad and iPhone Negotiations Reportedly Surface" would mean the there were reports that the details surfaced.

 

[kdarling]

I suspect that the reason we won't ever see a Verizon iPhone is that Verizon insists on way more control over the handsets it sells than Apple would be willing to give it. That was a big part of the sticking point in their first round of talks before the iPhone was released,

From public accounts, quite the opposite was true:

Apple wanted control over distribution points, warranty decisions, no subsidy given to the user and a piece of monthly revenue.

and I haven't seen signs that Verizon's corporate culture has changed enough for them to give up control over a phone that's running on their network.

They've stopped locking GPS, which is a major thing for them. Other than that, Verizon's always allowed the user to do and download anything they want with their smartphones.

When you talk about control, you need to put Apple at the head of that list. Only one app store. Users can only download apps approved by Apple. No third party browsers allowed or other "duplicate" functionality. Very little customization allowed. No Bluetooth transfers or keyboards. No use of overseas SIMs, which is usually a primary feature of GSM.

 

[pito189]

Verizon sucks you can't talk and surf at the same time.

Which on the face of it, does not sound that bad. BUT.


If your surfing the net while somone is trying to call you, it gets sent straight to voicemail without even ringing.

WOW that blows. How is that an acceptable system? What about when you are using an app that is accessing data?

edit: It looks like it might have to do with what phone you are using??

 

[deconstruct60]

On the other hand, you might be able walk around with the iPad listening to Pandora which would not work for a netbook.

What makes you say that?

http://www.pandora.com/support

Clearly, Pandora itself says that all you need is Windows and Flash to play. News flash for you ..... netbooks typically have Windows and Flash. Likewise many netbooks have world/multinetwork capable 3G data modems built in. Even more have USB sockets so that can plug in an even wider variety of 3G modems than that.

You may argue that the iPad might be more elegant, battery conserving , etc. But not work? There is little evidence to support that.

 

[jav6454]

Apple's missing out more, I'd think. They've basically handed 2/3 of the US market to Android, Palm, RIM and Microsoft on a silver platter.

No individual competing handset might always sell as much as Apple's one model in the USA (although Blackberrys sometimes do), but altogether the competition makes up millions of sales... and new smartphone users... that Apple's not getting.

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Keep telling yourself that. Verizon does not make 2/3 of the mobile market. More like 1/3 and lowering, while AT&T is 1/3 also while T-Mo & Sprint hit 1/3 combined.

Just look at AT&T subscriber increases. Your tears are so delicious.

 

[deconstruct60]

Infineon doesn't deal in CDMA...

Infineon doesn't do US based LTE either. (right now) .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths

The U.S. major players are going to use Bands XIII and XVII

Whereas Infineon's solution uses just up to IX

http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=db3a3043163797a6011649c97e7a0734

[ this one is a bit more vague but likely similar coverage.
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=db3a30431ddc9372011ecf7975981bcf
]

 

[deconstruct60]

Keep telling yourself that.

Keep telling yourself that the US is the only CDMA market.
Keep telling yourself that many millions of dollars of equipment is going to disappear in a year or two.

Apple can choose to stay with limited market coverage. After all the objective is not suppose to be a major player in the market. I'm sure Palm and Android vendors are going to enjoy having a foothold to grow market share off of.

iPhone/iPad doesn't optimally work on T-mobile either. That same issue of US frequencies being different from current mainstream legacy 3G countries is just as true in LTE for all the US vendors.

 

[AidenShaw]

Not unless these newer MacBook Pros incorporate a 3G radio in them.

...like most other mid and upper tier notebooks? ($125 option on many Dells to get multi-carrier 3G radio plus GPS.)

 

[kdarling]

WOW that blows. How is that an acceptable system? What about when you are using an app that is accessing data?
edit: It looks like it might have to do with what phone you are using??

The person who posted that was thinking of an EDGE phone like the first iPhone model.

EVDO phones give voice calls priority, and pause the data connection if you make/take the call.

Keep telling yourself that. Verizon does not make 2/3 of the mobile market. More like 1/3 and lowering, while AT&T is 1/3 also while T-Mo & Sprint hit 1/3 combined.

Sorry it wasn't clear that I was not talking about more than Verizon. I was talking about the 2/3 of the US market that Apple has left to other phone makers.

Just look at AT&T subscriber increases. Your tears are so delicious.

Wow. How old do you claim you are?

 

[distortedloop]

This is what more people need to understand. You can't look at each carrier as a whole and judge them on service. Each carrier has it's negatives and positives points in different areas. In area's I frequent from Nashville to Chicago I have great AT&T service, on the other hand while Verison shows their map that is bright red in this area, it should be a very light shade of pink. I dread when one of my friends who is on VZ calls me for all the static and drop calls from his end. The only area AT&T is really short on is 3g coverage and capacity in the larger markets, but that has more to do with red tape and HOA problems.

The same could be said the other way around in other area's. Everyone needs to do their own test and choose which ever is best for where you live.

Exactly.

My experience with Verizon was that it didn't drop calls the way AT&T does, but instead the call quality would just get so bad that you had to hang up and call back to get a decent connection. In the end, what's the difference?

I have been in places (lines at Disneyland most recent example) where my iPhone on AT&T did not get a signal, but my friend on Verizon's phone did.

I was hating on T-Mobile and it's crappy service until my Nexus One got the firmware update and reception has improved dramatically in my home. Too soon to tell how much it's been impacted out and about town.

It's amusing how religious-like the discussions over Verizon become, with the Verizon zealots far surpassing Apple fanboys in their zeal to slam all things that aren't their favorite company.

 

[cvaldes]

It's amusing how religious-like the discussions over Verizon become, with the Verizon zealots far surpassing Apple fanboys in their zeal to slam all things that aren't their favorite company.

If you look at the last Consumer Reports survey on major U.S. cellular carriers, none of them can really brag. Yes, Verizon came ahead of T-Mobile, AT&T and Sprint but just barely.

Essentially Verizon is a 38" giant in a land of three-foot midgets.

 

[scottness]

I'd love to be able to tether my iPhone to this thing... over BT or WIFI. It would make this whole argument moot.

 

[TMar]

Exactly.

My experience with Verizon was that it didn't drop calls the way AT&T does, but instead the call quality would just get so bad that you had to hang up and call back to get a decent connection. In the end, what's the difference?

I have been in places (lines at Disneyland most recent example) where my iPhone on AT&T did not get a signal, but my friend on Verizon's phone did.

I was hating on T-Mobile and it's crappy service until my Nexus One got the firmware update and reception has improved dramatically in my home. Too soon to tell how much it's been impacted out and about town.

It's amusing how religious-like the discussions over Verizon become, with the Verizon zealots far surpassing Apple fanboys in their zeal to slam all things that aren't their favorite company.

Yeah, I just don't get into the whole "fanboyism" thing. I just use what I like and what works best for me at that time. Windows/Mac, Chevy/Ford, PS3/Xbox, Verizon/AT&T, I just don't get it.

 

[dumb terminal]

The person who posted that was thinking of an EDGE phone like the first iPhone model.

EVDO phones give voice calls priority, and pause the data connection if you make/take the call.



Sorry it wasn't clear that I was not talking about more than Verizon. I was talking about the 2/3 of the US market that Apple has left to other phone makers.



Wow. How old do you claim you are?

Ignore him, he's one of the biggest AT&T brown-nosers on this board.

Since we're on the subject, I would LOVE to see a Verizon iPhone. AT&T is pretty horrendous throughout the Southland; can't even get service at work on my corporate iPhone (67 floors up), whereas my personal BB Storm on Verizon gets a full signal.

 

[TraceyS/FL]

I'd love to be able to tether my iPhone to this thing... over BT or WIFI. It would make this whole argument moot.

But the question becomes, how much are you willing to PAY to do that? (officially)

Because, tethering is not free.

 

[alexhasfun28]

I really, really, REALLY hope that the iPhone comes to Verizon. It will be the final factor that decides whether or not I will get an iPhone or not this summer.

At the moment, I am stuck on my Env3 (bleh) and my iPod Touch as two separate devices. If the iPhone comes in the summer, I can do an annual upgrade to get the iPhone and extend my contract. If it doesn't, I will have to wait a year and a half before I can get have one in my possession

I have several friends in the same situation. I'm pretty sure that if the iPhone comes to Verizon, sales will EXPLODE. and Verizon just need to get along

See! Everybody does want an iPhone. They just don't want to admit it due to the fact that Verizon is the "best" company. Don't get me wrong, good service coverage. Yes! But bad bad bad 3G. Slow! Sprint networks is probably 2 times better than verizons. Well, sorry to break your heart Verizon fanboys, but I rerally doubt an iPhone for verizon this year! Apple is too smart to go back with them! Look what happened five years ago, and look what happened with iPad, stayed with AT&T. And there was real proof that they were gonna stay with AT&T! Analysts, like this one are toooo STUPID to even realize the fact. The proof is in the keynotes that date back in 2007. Analysts are seriously dumb and think anything, even a donut, will obviously make it to Verizon!! Seriosuly, now they're blaming the prices for Verizon not getting the iPad? Seriously, wtf! Just get over it, and face the fact that your company is ignorant just like Apple, and didn't get the iPad! Plain & simple.

 

[DoNoHarm]

"Apple sets the prices for these plans.." That is so sad to hear AT&T talk like that. Defeatist. Maybe they did bring out their best or whatever but I'm used to phone companies doing their network and pricing, and handset makers doing their thing.

In no way would Apple be dictating to our local networks what a plan will be sold for. The benefit of that independence between maker and service provider is that all our networks will happily sell the iphone to you unlocked or locked (ie subsidised or at cost) and then you just pick any plan you like with which ever network you want, plus they compete like crazy to improve the plans.

This whole thing REALLY stinks. We the customers are being gouged not just by AT&T but by Apple. They stick togeather because they can reap the benefits of monopoly pricing togeather.

 

[cmaier]

This whole thing REALLY stinks. We the customers are being gouged not just by AT&T but by Apple. They stick togeather because they can reap the benefits of monopoly pricing togeather.

I dunno. $30 all-you-can-eat for a non-smartphone device is pretty exciting to me.

 

[jav6454]

Infineon doesn't do US based LTE either. (right now) .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths

The U.S. major players are going to use Bands XIII and XVII

Whereas Infineon's solution uses just up to IX

http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=db3a3043163797a6011649c97e7a0734

[ this one is a bit more vague but likely similar coverage.
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=db3a30431ddc9372011ecf7975981bcf
]

They are not LTE yet, but as the technology gets widespread among carriers I am sure Infineon will follow. BTW, they just revised the X-Gold 608 and the newer version allows up to 5.76 Mb/s upload thru HSUPA which AT&T has implemented.

...like most other mid and upper tier notebooks? ($125 option on many Dells to get multi-carrier 3G radio plus GPS.)

Yes like that kind of BTO. I would have paid $130 for that radio in my MacBook if Apple would have offered it.

The person who posted that was thinking of an EDGE phone like the first iPhone model.

EVDO phones give voice calls priority, and pause the data connection if you make/take the call.

Sorry it wasn't clear that I was not talking about more than Verizon. I was talking about the 2/3 of the US market that Apple has left to other phone makers.

Still that doesn't make 2/3. Verizon and Sprint (including Sprint spinoffs like Boast, Trackfone, etc) make up 1/2. Why, because Sprint is bleeding customers to AT&T and T-Mobile. Those two carriers make the other 1/2.

 

[kdarling]

Still that doesn't make 2/3. Verizon and Sprint (including Sprint spinoffs like Boast, Trackfone, etc) make up 1/2. Why, because Sprint is bleeding customers to AT&T and T-Mobile. Those two carriers make the other 1/2.

Note: I'm not talking just CDMA, I mean the whole AT&T exclusivity thing:

AT&T has ~85 million subscribers out of the total of ~275 million in the USA. That's 190 million subscribers whose carrier doesn't have the iPhone.

Therefore, as I said, Apple is ignoring over 2/3 of the USA market.

 

[John.B]

Verizon won't say it, but they are scared *****less of the kind of traffic that the iPhone generates. They don't want any part of an unlimited data plan for the iPad.

 

[jav6454]

Note: I'm not talking just CDMA, I mean the whole AT&T exclusivity thing:

AT&T has ~85 million subscribers out of the total of ~275 million in the USA. That's 190 million subscribers whose carrier doesn't have the iPhone.

Therefore, as I said, Apple is ignoring over 2/3 of the USA market.

Yet, you can achieve the unlock and use it thru T-Mobile.

 

[SteveSparks]

CDMA is outdated.

Need to be using GSM or something like GSM that transports between carriers.

The rest of the world has it right and I think Apple, while a US company sees the rest of the world as a bigger market than the USA. Which means GSM.

It is that simple, the Big V dont have GSM.

 

[JS82189]

this is probably for 4G, not 3G... possibly coinciding with apples new iPhone, which they Jobs said would be an A+ release (4G/Verizon?)

i also remember someone saying on here about a hybrid GSM chip that could fall back onto Verizons CDMA signal when 4G is low.

 

[tennispro5023]

No there is not and for a CDMA chip they would need a Qualcomm chip, which ain't happening, (Infineon)

WOW! Get out of here. All you are doing is being negative about EVERYTHING! If you are a true Apple fan you will want them to expand and make more money with more companies. Second, shut the **** up! We all have our own opinions.. You said "Do you want me to go on about problems with Verizon.." How about do you want ME to go on with problems about AT&T? First off, I had one place in my house where my iPhone got service and it had to be in that specific spot.. I ended up paying the ETF 6 months within having my iPhone. I love the iPhone but I'm sorry, until you come out with a better service carrier then I will not waste over $100.00 on a carrier that I don't get service within MY HOUSE! I'm sorry but we all have our own opinions about service carriers. To me AT&T sucks and to you it sounds like you worship them.