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Are you happy with just 3.4%?

I wouldn't mind seeing a 2%-3% increase to the highest-end figures for US we saw around Q3-Q4 2008, and probably the same for the Worldwide high-end around the same time.

There are already between 35-40 million OS X users. The product has achieved and enjoys Premium status. It has a robust developer community, has created bucketloads of brand awareness the world over. I'm not sure if OS X share has hit the sweet spot yet, but it's likely below 20% US and below 10% worldwide. But allowing for some variation, it might not be good for the brand to command too much of the overall market. Stick to the Premium end and have a model (or two) that provides an option for the rest of the market. Sell on margin, not volume. The Premium end is naturally more limited in size anyway, so there seems to be a natural cap on Mac/OS X market share to begin with.

Then again, we get things like this:

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...ples-us-consumer-market-share-now-21-percent/

Market Share: According to IDC, Apple’s worldwide market share grew from 2.4% in 2006 to 2.9% in 2007. (See chart below.) Munster is conservatively modeling global market share to remain flat this year, but he notes that enterprise sales account for 70% of the worldwide market, a segment Apple is not aggressively targeting. In the consumer market, where Apple does compete, he estimates the Mac’s share is now 10% worldwide and an impressive 21% in the U.S.

Go figure.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing a 2%-3% increase to the highest-end figures for US we saw around Q3-Q4 2008, and probably the same for the Worldwide high-end around the same time.

There are already between 35-40 million OS X users. The product has achieved and enjoys Premium status. It has a robust developer community, has created bucketloads of brand awareness the world over. I'm not sure if OS X share has hit the sweet spot yet, but it's likely below 20% US and below 10% worldwide. But allowing for some variation, it might not be good for the brand to command too much of the market. The Premium end of the market is naturally more limited in size anyway, so there seems to be a natural cap on Mac/OS X market share to begin with.

Then again, we get things like this:

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.co...ples-us-consumer-market-share-now-21-percent/

Market share has just grown to 4.8% in the UK and they have made the UK top 5 for the first time. It's encouraging because the total UK market had shrunk by 5% for that quarter and Apple computers are even more expensive than usual due to the low exchange rate.
 
You obviously don't push or use your mac much. I have crashed OS X routinely since 10.5 came out. I am not complaining because I agree that it is very stable but please don't exaggerate by saying that OS X doesn't crash.

I have had Safari (Apple's own browser) blow out and take the entire system down to an automatic power-off. This has happened on several Apples, a 2007 MacPro, a 2008 macbook pro, a 2009 macbook.

Using USB peripherals can also cause lock ups with OS X. I find Windows 2000 and now Windows 7 the equal to OS X in terms of stability. But OS X 10.5 is one of the worst versions of OS X, 10.0 & 10.1 being the worst.

I am hoping that one of the "FEATURES" of Snow Leopard will be improved stability by rewriting finder. Finder in my opinion sucks, has sucked, and is long over due for a re-write.
Safari and Finder are my biggest culprits as well.

Tiger has some bizarre USB file transfer issue from time to time that will bring the system to a halt. My only kernel panic to date came from plugging in a USB hard drive.
 
Overall, it is truly an advantage that Macs can run all three OSs, without hassle, but not without concern for viruses, malware, etc. - I do agree with you.


Just remember that advantage comes from Microsoft and Linux more generous licensing laws. ;) Who would ever think that the word generous and Microsoft could be used in the same sentence but there it is.

You are being overly paranoid about viruses. If you use Firefox, have a router and even a free antivirus you are pretty safe on Windows. I haven't had virus trouble on any of the 3 PCs in my house despite them being used by "ignorant" parents.
This is true, although, I believe it to be a bit extreme to interpret the term "concern" as "overly paranoid."
 
You are being overly paranoid about viruses.

I keep hearing about how the virus issue on Windows is overblown (or marketing FUD from Apple :rolleyes:) while at the same time I keep hearing people I know complain about their PCs being wrecked recently by viruses.
 
I keep hearing about how the virus issue on Windows is overblown (or marketing FUD from Apple :rolleyes:) while at the same time I keep hearing people I know complain about their PCs being wrecked recently by viruses.

Windows really isn't meant for the average user. It's always seemed to me something more appropriate for the Linux crowd. Except the Linux crowd is smart enough to stay the hell away from it.
 
I keep hearing about how the virus issue on Windows is overblown (or marketing FUD from Apple :rolleyes:) while at the same time I keep hearing people I know complain about their PCs being wrecked recently by viruses.
I know exactly how you feel.

Windows really isn't meant for the average user. It's always seemed to me something more appropriate for the Linux crowd. Except the Linux crowd is smart enough to stay the hell away from it.
YMMV
 
Well, some of us have enough knowledge and experience to use Windows properly, that's true.

Off-topic:

What happened to Chobimaru? I like your naming scheme, anyhow. ;)
chobimaru lacks a processor and motherboard right now. I'm looking at AMD right now since Intel's LGA 775 feels like a dead end. I have 6 GB of DDR2-800 and a video card already. I don't see a need to go i7 for light gaming, hobby tweaking, and encoding.

Perhaps the Linux crowd stays away for other reasons as well...
All perfectly good reasons. :D
 
Ooohh . . Phenom maybe? :cool:
I've been looking at Phenom II but I haven't found a processor and a board at a price that I like yet. Computex is coming up in AMD is going to launch more processors there. It's tough to find something nice when you have a Micro ATX P180 mini. I have a full ATX case but its nowhere near as nice.

I'm using my MacBook only right now and testing out Windows 7 on it as well. My only complaint is the prelease WDDM driver for the GMA X3100. It's causing some graphical weirdness with Aero and in games.
 
Actually, Apple is one of the the few that delivers what users want, or rather, what users never knew they wanted! Otherwise, their Mac business would be contracting far more than it is now. In fact, Apple hits the Premium end of the market and milks it. And they do beautifully by it. They sell on margin, not volume. And it's working very well.

Headless Mac? No demand for it. The demand seems to be among the forum-posting tech crowd. You might feel ignored, but the solutions for "Pro" users are the MBP 17-inch and the Mac Pro, and the Pro markets seem to be just fine with that - publishing houses, creative sectors, etc., from large to small to freelance.

You seem to be nit-picking about personal things. Yes, the mouse curve issue has always been a niggle for me, but in light of what I get with the whole Mac/OS X package, it's not a big deal, really. And there are third-party solutions for that, I believe.

Security? Apple seems to be on top of *most* things. When's the last time your Mac was infected with a virus? Are there any out there now? You really have no cause to complain in this area. Your complainint about an issue that doesn't really exist yet. In fact, we've got it good. REALLY good. Apple seems to be a bit slower to implement certain things on the security side. On the bright side, there's no tide of malware to really worry about. And Snow Leopard will improve things nicely. Just practice sensible security on your Mac (as far as OS X will allow) and you'll be just fine. Like the rest of us. And Unix security aint nothin' to sneeze at, by the way. Don't treat Unix like Windows. They're completely different. I'd rather be ona Unix box any day than an NT+patches box. I'd rather be on a system that is not a target, for which no real malware exists, which has been improved and hardened over the course of 30 years, and for which Apple can (ideally) develop security solutions ahead of time, before anything hits, if it ever does. And look on the bright side, with all the hyping up of Windows 7 on these forums, and the belief that it will be . . . insanely great (LOL), OS X will once again be a very uninteresting target. ;)

We on Macrumors, AI, MacNN, etc., reperesent only a small segment of Apple's wider market. I've never heard of demand for a headless-Mac oustide of these tech forums (at all.) If Apple wasn't giving consumers what they want, we'd see a much larger contraction in their Mac business in this economy. It just isn't happening. The contraction Apple is experiencing is the lowest in the entire industry. In fact, they'll lower their prices a bit way before they'd ever consider offering a headles Mac. Especially in light of the popularity of Notebooks. There is simply no demand for a desktop solution. Desktops are doing horribly these days. And we already have all-in-ones such as the iMac line, which itself is fading out of popularity in the shadow of Apple's notebook lineup. The paradigm shift occuring with the iPod Touch, iPhone, and the possiblities opened up by a netbook that doesn't suck (Tablet excitement) suggests that another desktop solution is the last thing on Apple's agenda. Desktops as we know them today are dying a slow death. Portability and miniaturization is the name of the game. And if you've got a notebook, Apple encourages you to add a larger display to that, if you decided not to get an iMac. Your healess Mac is the Mac Pro. Or, your headless Mac is the Mini. One day, with miniaturization pogressing in leaps and bounds, Apple will be able to stuff much more power into that Mini. But by that time, I think we'll all be part of a different computing paradigm.

Sure, if you say so but if Apple isn't selling what I'm shopping for, I won't buy. It's as simple as that, to me.

About your iTunes issue:

I had hoped that log would tell me more. It usually does. We'll leave that for now. Next thing to look at: what's in your startup items? have you got any kind of security-related app (third party) that might be interfering with iTunes? Have you changed your router settings recently (assuming you have a wired connection)?

If you don't mind, please post the link to the other thread you started about this.

No third-party security, no router settings changed. Only DragThing, Growl, Bowtie and some other GUI stuff, nothing network related. There's some com.apple.CSConfigDotMacCert thing and VMware installed, nothing else or out of the mainstream.

It's here. Again, thanks for your help.

btw, what's "com.alf" from?
 
This goes back to my "researching the parts to build your own PC takes time and lots of it" point earlier... ;)

Not really. It took me five minutes to find something suitable with a Phenom II quad, memory, case, drives, etc. for about $600. That's with a 9800GT and 2TB of space.
 
Not really. It took me five minutes to find something suitable with a Phenom II quad, memory, case, drives, etc. for about $600. That's with a 9800GT and 2TB of space.

Actually, finding info about what hardware works for building a Hackintosh is hardly a chore today. It can be done in a weekend or so, less time than it would probably take for the average user to decide which Mac to buy. ;)

Of course, it helps a great deal if you have some experience in assembling a PC and if you're really good at it, amazing things do happen. When it comes to portables though it's a lot harder since you can rarely pick what hardware it should have. There are several ok models to choose from, from what I've seen, but then they preferably have to have a reseller in your country or you might as well buy a real Mac.

The Hackintosh I previously owned was the greatest computer I've ever had. Unfortunately it wasn't as easily portable.
 
I keep hearing about how the virus issue on Windows is overblown (or marketing FUD from Apple :rolleyes:) while at the same time I keep hearing people I know complain about their PCs being wrecked recently by viruses.

Your friends are stupid. Buy them Macs.
 
I hate to bust a lot of people's bubbles...but you do realize that this "survey" is of only 1 college/university in the entire USA...Univ. of Virginia.

While that particular university surely has Mac growth, 1 university certainly does not reflect an entire country's college community.

Yes, we all know Apple has been pushing the education market for decades and Apple does have some "back to school" promos during the year.

Statistics like this article really have no value. Show me some national statistics or worldwide stats. Again, I'm sure UVA somehow is getting more kids to come in Freshman year with a Mac...maybe it's becoming mandatory (some colleges actually send you an order form where you can buy from a choice of 5 or 6 laptops)...maybe UVA gets a lot of kids from Virginia whose high schools really push the Mac.

I like the Mac but articles like this are pretty deceiving. And they don't even label the X axis! Non-labeled charts are the first red flag that something is amiss.

-Eric
 
Not really. It took me five minutes to find something suitable with a Phenom II quad, memory, case, drives, etc. for about $600. That's with a 9800GT and 2TB of space.

Thats complete techno babble to an average user.
 
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