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In the business sector - where the real mass volumes are sold - Apple still is not a player.

While Apple, of course, would love to be in the business sector, I don't think that's their primary goal right now. I think their goal is to get Macs into the hands of everyday people first. This will then allow them to change the focus onto businesses when the time comes.
 
trend equals future

As a UVA alum and former Guy Kawasaki Evangelist for Apple, I am prouder now of Wahoos and Apple than ever before.

I'd interpret this trend as an upshot of Apple's going with Intel processors. The hardware distinction gone, it's now clearer than ever that what separates a Mac OS from a Windows OS is superiority of ideas.

A Windows machine is a kludge. Without the hardware distinction, it's just so much more obvious how Windows suffers from built-in flaws, headaches waiting to happen, time wasted, effort lost, disasters unanticipated ready to be discovered and KILL one's hopes. Windows is a death machine! Just ask anyone! I know people who have lost their jobs due to highly documented bugs in Windows and Windows apps. Get ready to make excuses if you use Windows! It won't help if the bug has been highly documented!

UVA has insane entrance requirements now. In most college guides, the average high school GPA for UVA is given as 4.0. Virginia is an affluent state. Its proximity to Washington, D.C., and entering class of about 50% Virginians means that it recruits the very best and brightest from a very influential part of the U.S.A. Don't underestimate the importance of this one poll on college students. It might as well have been a poll on the whole Ivy League.
 
That graph says it all. The writing's on the wall. :D



Any software os geniuses here? I ask as I have a of I booted up lately disk not defragged, and wondered why the is is such a bog down. Using XP and all I hear is the hd going errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr taking forever to do something. I forgot just the workflow or waiting, how tedious it us compared to OS ten. Seriosky, I don't know how PC users can sit around and wait so much

Making sure I have all the right drivers, and am using a program called jetdefrag to see if this helps. Updated the gpu driver only to have windows boot to 4 bit low red. Nvidia 7600 dual dvi out. Had to roll back the driver. Why am I not surprised. ??










Victory is ours.
 
The real good news is that the more students use the macs, the more likely they will build their future companies on macs. PCs after all, owe their dominance to the fact that every company bought them. Now with the Intel chips Macs have become super compatible with everything. So companies are starting to switch over.


Keep the competition going. The MS, Apple, struggle for dominance should provide better products for all of us on both sides. They battle and we win. :D
 
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my class, last day.

Am I the only one thinking open laptops in any class but a computer one are more a distraction from studies / lectures than otherwise? It's been a few years since college, but I've seen the glazed look of teenagers (and young adults) behind an illuminated apple logo. :rolleyes:
 
MS IS DEAD. DELL IS DEAD. IT'S TIME TO PUT THE LAST NAILS IN THEIR COFFINS. GO APPLE!

What's with all the death hatred? Mildew get in your soymilk? Competition is good for any buyer. Besides things need to be in balance, for evolution to be happy.

Am I the only one thinking open laptops in any class but a computer one are more a distraction from studies / lectures than otherwise?

Add me to your argument, because they're a distraction for everyone in class... Glassy stare is seldom a good thing. Now, pen and paper - excellent and unbeatable for class. Keeps your brain healthy and in shape too.
 
We're already using Windows 7 today though. What is this waiting you speak of?

Its the 1 year free version, W7 is going to be the most expensive version ever geared towards pro users. Home users don't see the big difference between Mac and PC anymore except for the viruses and costumer support, the mac is going to keep growing.

On another note, the big problem with MS is the gignormous profit they make on Windows and Office, the rest is mostly a loss-leader. If they loose another 10% to Apple and/or Linux it would seriously harm there cashflow and thus hurt all there other businesses. Interesting times to come.

They already lost the battle for MP3 players, PDA and smatphones, what other big battle is there to win except servers?
 
It's good news that apple are doing well in the HE market. However, i have found a problem with their customer support for students, Mid semester i had an issue with my, what was, top of the range MacBook Pro. They said they would check it out but it could take up to 2 weeks. Thats 2 weeks without my computer, which for a computer science student means i would have failed the year. Knowing this i asked them if they could lend me another one while they fix it, to me this seemed reasonable. I could understand that apple may not want to be handing out laptops left right and centre but lending out a bottom of the range MacBook while they repair a top of the range MacBook Pro - come on!

Edit: Something i want your opinions on; I find that i don't actually need a laptop, most my lecturers don't allow them, so it just sits in my room all day. Why is there this theory that students need a laptop?
 
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AidenShaw said:

As people realize that the "Laptop Hunter" ads from Microsoft point out the poor value of Apples, this will slide too.

One data point, and the fanbois have a collective orgasm! ;)


By the way, note from the same source:

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Easy to infer that desktops are dead and gone, no?

At least in the college arena anyway.
 
Meh, I can see why. When I was at university people (if they could afford it) just bought a system they knew would work and could run both OSX and Windows. They're great one-stop machines. I bought my first mac whilst at college and continued to buy throughout university. Now that I've graduated and would like something better for gaming I won't be buying another Mac desktop - but they are very reliable computers.
 
I would have to say that luring incoming university students into a macbook with a free iPod is a better business strategy than trying to aggressively enter the corporate space.

if growing unit market share through entering such highly-competitive areas comes at an expense to revenue market share, then Apple should start to be criticized.
 
I would have to say that luring incoming university students into a macbook with a free iPod is a better business strategy than trying to aggressively enter the corporate space.

if growing unit market share through entering such highly-competitive areas comes at an expense to revenue market share, then Apple should start to be criticized.

Because not a single one of us wants to see Apple go 'Pro' for real, do we?
 
Because not a single one of us wants to see Apple go 'Pro' for real, do we?

How is that even relevant to what I posited?

I commented on the strategy a certain company has pursued versus a strategy it has not pursued, and the apparent success of the current strategy.

What does 'pro' even mean?

I'm a professional at what I do. I work in a professional environment. I work exclusively on a Mac.

I prefer using a Mac based on the fact that it is the operating system I am most used to and I like having utilitarian things that are also aesthetically pleasing. Further, they have a perceived value for me.

That said I have nothing against Windows. If in the future I am on the market for a new machine and in the perceived value, usefulness, aesthetic, and price rubric a windows-based machine is better, I will buy that.

If both Apple and Microsoft do a good job at what they are good at doing we should all be happy.
 
Windows 7 is unreleased. It is not on the shelves.

There's no point in making any claims about what it will do for MS until it's been out 6-10 months.

MS doesn't exist in a vacuum, either. The compeititon will also be releasing a new version of its OS to run on its contunally-coveted hardware, and the most dangerous thing about the competition is, that they play it very close to the vest. We won't really know about any potentially "surprise" or "killer" features for sure until the reveal. And the competition, compared to MS, has had quite an impressive track record with respect to release cycles and quality of releases.

Windows 7 retail as yet doesn't exist. Until Joe Average plays with it, there's no point in making claims. And until we see sales figures and share numbers 6-10 months after its release, there's no point in making any claims about what it'll do for MS. We've already seen that baloney with Vista after 5 years of development.

And MS isn't dead. It's not even dying. Cheap and plentiful will always sell. The botom end of the market pyramid is always wider, and that's where MS is firmly entrenched. Yes, its market share will take a hit as it has and its browser share will continue to decline, as it loses more and more of the coveted "premium end" of the market, but there will always be a big market for Windows running on whatever random generic PC. Plenty of people just don't care or don't know any better.


Because not a single one of us wants to see Apple go 'Pro' for real, do we?

They already are. And have been for years, well before the move to Intel. In fact, they're often the #1 choice in the medical fields, research fields, and nearly all creative fields.

Or do you mean "Pro" as in sitting in generic corporate environments with a full IT staff running e-mail, spreadhseets, and horribly-designed database software?

That's not Pro. That's just cheap licensing.
 
I too have noticed an increase in Apple laptops in college/grad school. However, I don't know how much of this is due to the fact that these students are just "jumping on the Apple bandwagon" or truly feel Apple computers are better than PC computers.

Also, UVA? That's a VERY good university, and despite being public, is able to compete against the Harvards, Yales, and Columbias. Whether this means the students are smarter and "see the light" or students from more elite universities tend to come from households with higher incomes, I'm not sure. Regardless, I don't think UVA is a good sample to judge Apple's market share of higher education in the United States.
 
You MS pundits said the same thing when Vista came out..."a great evolutionary step over Win XP", "Aero Glass is beautiful", "OEMs are gonna adopt it en masse", blablabla...
But but. I hated Vista, even before it came out :(
XBox 360 didn't make it, Vista didn't make it, Winblows tablets didn't make it, the Zune didn't make it...just like WMD in Iraq, we're still waiting for them to appear...and Windows 7 is gonna be just that...a forethought for those playing with their new iPhones and Grand Central-powered Snow Leopard.
360 has a fair share in the console market. Wii only dominates due to the casual gamers, remember that. "Hardcore" gamers buy the 360 normally. PS3 if they want a paperweight for when they don't wanna play MGS4 or watch a Blueray movie. 360 HAS made it, just because it's not the leader of this console generation doesn't mean, even after all the red rings, that MS aren't getting a profit. And you keep saying Win7 will be a failure compared to Snow Leopard, will it really? I don't see companies and schools switching en masse to and Mac OS. I don't see the typical man buying macs. They're still buying laptops and PC's with them on, which run Vista. Companies have gradually upgraded to Vista. Vista honestly didn't flop, MS reported that they actually gained money because except for most just us select few discussing this, or are IT technicians etc., a lot of people don't care. I've said this repeatedly to my mum "Vista would be fine for you as you don't actually do anything major on the computer, unlike me".
The brainless masses will always be the brainless masses. And I say great. Let the PC manufacturers beat each other to a bloody pulp to eke out a few bucks profit on each flimsy plastic computer peddling Microsoft's mediocre unimaginative (soft)wares while Apple enjoys healthy profits as a design-oriented niche player, which BTW leaves us less vulnerable to hackers and baddies (don't forget to run your virus scan tonight...).
Sorry, I do believe a Mac kernel was shown to be hacked in just a few minutes. Yes, MS has problems with Viruses and Hackers, and you pretty much stated why, because it's the main system. In a hypothetical world, where IBM backed the early Mac, where do you think Mac's would be? Ah yes! Riddled with viruses and hackers! And if people start switching en masse to macs. What do you think's going to happen? Ah yes! (More)Viruses for macs!

Sides, most people who get viruses deserve it. It's not hard to bloody avoid viruses.
 
Any software os geniuses here? I ask as I have a of I booted up lately disk not defragged, and wondered why the is is such a bog down. Using XP and all I hear is the hd going errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr taking forever to do something. I forgot just the workflow or waiting, how tedious it us compared to OS ten. Seriosky, I don't know how PC users can sit around and wait so much

Making sure I have all the right drivers, and am using a program called jetdefrag to see if this helps. Updated the gpu driver only to have windows boot to 4 bit low red. Nvidia 7600 dual dvi out. Had to roll back the driver. Why am I not surprised. ??










Victory is ours.

Hehe . . . that reminds me of the old "from waiting, to working" Power Mac ads, I think from '93 or '94.
 
My school went 100% Mac after the vista lunch. All the PC then to the garbage.

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I guess to some people Windows having 100 percent market share is what the world needs.
 
Uh-huh. Riiiight. We've been hearing "Apple is going to have serious problems when Windows (insert version here) comes out." Heard it for Vista, and XP, and . . . well that's about it. MS can't even get two decent operating systems out the door in nearly nine years. Maybe NEXT_VERSION will do it. All the Vista testers were falling all over themselves praising it to the skies during the betas and somehow, mysteriously, it garnered Windows ME status right quick. I suppose Stockholm syndrome-suffering Windows testers have a tendency to take their brains out of their head and put it on the table when doing their testing.

Wait until Windows 7 hits the shelves, and maybe this time Apple will have serious problems. You know, like the kind MS has had . . . seeing its market share plunge from 96%+ to 88.9% in less than three years; its browser share tank; it's stock value eroding steadily, etc. It still sells a lot "stuff" though, that runs on other cheap "stuff", if that's any consolation.

Come back 6-10 months after Windows 7 hits the shelves and THEN tell us about who has problems. Knowing MS they'll find some way to half-ass this release too. Imagine that . . . XP still not dead well into Windows 7's release. LOL!
Well said, we heard the same crap before they released Vista.
 
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