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In Europe, with release of iPhone 12/pro many operators started with 3 years contract to reduce monthly cost. So, I guess many are holding on to their 12s . I have 2 years contract but, instead of 14PM, I have decided to go for AW Ultra.
 
I hope this convinces Apple to reconsider keeping the base model a step behind. While they're at it, they should merge the base model and the SE. Mid-priced phones are getting squeezed because the higher priced ones are improving at a faster rate, and the lower priced phones are such a good value.
 
I had dinner with some friends who don't keep up on most all of this, but they do have plenty of disposable income and the couple both usually just "get the new phone each year"..

Both of them were different this year...

The main question I kept getting (as they know I do keep up on this) is...."what's different"? and "seems like the same phone basically"

They aren't upgrading
My entire family about 30 people will probably update to iphone 14 this year. I can see them all getting the pro max. Different strokes for different folks.
 
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I hope this convinces Apple to reconsider keeping the base model a step behind. While they're at it, they should merge the base model and the SE. Mid-priced phones are getting squeezed because the higher priced ones are improving at a faster rate, and the lower priced phones are such a good value.
This is why i think the iPhone 15 models will all use the A17 SoC, but the Pro (neé Ultra?) models may have one extra GPU core and more RAM (8 GB compred to 6 GB for the regular iPhone 15). This is possible thanks to the new 3 nm process TSMC will use.
 
I would love to know how/where to get a 10 days old iPhone 14 at 60% of original price!
This is where this is all baloney. Resellers start at like 200% markup. Then the price fell and they say 60% price falling but it could have just fallen close to retail. So many things impact this outcome but everyone just fills the ignorance with their own biases. No one know why this occurred.
 
iphone 14 and 14 plus was basically made targeting poor people yet iphone is not for the poor, if a poor love to use iphone must look for two or three year device not a new one, apple must know its portatial customers
 
I'm on a 8+.

You survived the shock? Good.

Got it refurbished in January last year, only because my 6 years old 6+ had a broken mute switch. No real plan to replace it, but I'm tempted by the 14+, so this is good news... seems like the price of a refurbished one is going to be interesting!
 
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Won't that phone be locked to the specific carrier and be black listed?
Depends on the carrier.
At least in the US, the major carriers and MVNOs (like Mint Mobile and Xfinity Mobile) will have the phones locked.
To Unlock, the owner has to pay off the device entirely and must hold it for a certain period of time, like ~60~90 days. Then the owner has to notify the carrier to unlock the phone where the carrier eventually sends a signal in its system to unlock that phone, which can take ~1~2 weeks but could be sooner.
Be careful what the carrier says, like Verizon, who says the phone is 'unlock', which it is Not. You can pay full price for the phone but still have to wait ~60 days or so before Verizon unlocks it. Check its website for info.
 
I am in an environment where iPhone XRs are heavily used and I honestly can't see any reason to upgrade. They are just as fast as the day they came out of the box. Seriously, Apple is kinda in a corner, but I am sure there are still many on older iPhone 7s and 6 series. Some of us are in denial that we really don't need to upgrade our phones as often as we use to. The same reality of the PC desktop and Laptop has hit the smartphone market just at a much faster pace. Apple see's but they are not gonna back down.

Apple just needs to go hard on Siri and Maps.

About the Xr and 11: they are still very good phones. Personally I didn’t care for the LCDs or general size though, hence why going from one of those to an 12 or beyond makes more sense.

I suspect they’ll be supported for a while though, as the A12 was still shipped in iPads until fairly recently.
 
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Drop the non-pro phones. Too many iPhones. There's 8 different iPhones for sale right now, before you even consider storage options.
As much as I cringe when it’s used as an argument, what would Steve think about the current iPhone lineup? It’s so fragmented and is reminiscent of the 90s Apple lineup. It’s just corporate greed to have the pro and also regular iPhone at this point. I remember when it was the current model, last year’s model, and the year before that. Why not just offer the 14 pro/max, the 13, and the SE
 
About the Xr and 11: they are still very good phones. Personally I didn’t care for the LCDs or general size though, hence why going from one of those to an 12 or beyond makes more sense.

I suspect they’ll be supported for a while though, as the A12 was still shipped in iPads until fairly recently.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised by that for real. 2018 and A12 iPad Pro feels like just yesterday. That device has a lot of life left in it. But I'm feeling like next year will be last the iPhone X/8 series get an iOS update.
 
It is Dynamic Island or go home. Throw in the draw of a 48mp camera and optical zoom and there is no way the 14 can compete with the 14 pro.
 
They had to know if people have an iPhone 12 or 13, this is kind of a meh upgrade, but the iPhone Pro is totally worth the price for enthusiasts like they should have allocated more to that over base model.
 
As much as I cringe when it’s used as an argument, what would Steve think about the current iPhone lineup? It’s so fragmented and is reminiscent of the 90s Apple lineup. It’s just corporate greed to have the pro and also regular iPhone at this point. I remember when it was the current model, last year’s model, and the year before that. Why not just offer the 14 pro/max, the 13, and the SE
Eventually, Apple could end up being as fragmented as Android could ever be.

Dynamic Island only works on a handful of newest iPhones, not to mention ProMotion, and also two different sizes notch, and two different biometrics (Touch/FaceID) which complicates things a bit further for UX.

Where is this unified, homogenous platform that Apple used to be famous for?
 
“[Selling] worse than the iPhone 13 Mini”. That’s me; no new Mini (Pro), no new worth-it features like even ones Android flagships now have, means I’m leapfrogging the ’14. Apple, stop making low-end non-Pro iPhones, bring back the Mini and I’ll happily buy next years iPhone 15 Mini (Pro), and SE (Pro) for the older folks in my family.
 
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Maybe holding off 8k video and usb-c and 2TB storage until the 15 was a bad idea after all.
 
If someone came to me and asked me which iPhone would I recommend them if they don’t need all the bells and whistles but want one that will last and is relatively future-proof, I would tell them to get the iPhone 13.

One GPU core extra in the A15, a few camera tweaks, and sattelite SOS are NOT going to give anyone the incentive to spend an extra $100 for the 14. Otherwise, 13 and 14 are the exact same phone. Apple has absolutely no differentiation in place and nothing to get excited about regarding the regular 14. Nothing, nada, zip.

And really, A14 is more than capable enough and the displays and cameras are only marginally different between 12 and 13. I might even advise that person to think seriously about 12. Even though its two years old its still so close to 13 and 14 it just doesn’t make sense to spend the extra money.

For this reason, Apple has a differentiation problem. Why spend $799 when the $599 phone is good enough and the $699 phone is almost identical? I would be curious how Apple Retail has been trained to upsell to 14.

Apple really should have stuck A16 into the regular line at least (and if supply was an issue call this A15 variant in the 14 A15X or similar). SOMETHING to differentiate it. Give the regular line ProMotion, again for SOMETHING. But instead, there’s nothing to pin $100-$200 on.
 
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My entire family about 30 people will probably update to iphone 14 this year. I can see them all getting the pro max. Different strokes for different folks.
But really no one cares. There are lots of people like me, who could upgrade. But why should I buy the same twice? It is like you buy a red porsche one year and you buy the same red porsche next year again while selling the „old“ one.

No one will notice, it makes no sense and it is just boring. It may delight you for a quarter of a second when you transfer the cash and unbox the same phone again. There isn‘t even a number „14“ on the case. Help someone with the cash and you‘ll make at least two people happy.
 
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The iPhone 14 models have depreciated in value more than twice as much as the iPhone 13 in the same time frame last year, according to data gathered by SellCell.

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SellCell's analysis is based on averaged trade-in values from over 40 buyback vendors. The data shows that the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus are performing poorly in terms of value retention, depreciating twice as much as the iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 mini in the same 10-day period after launch. In the 10 days after launch, the standard iPhone 14 models lost 38.4 percent of their value on average, over double the 18.2 percent depreciation of the iPhone 13 models in the same timeframe last year.

The 512GB iPhone 14 is the worst-performing model, depreciating 40.3 percent during the 10 days after launch. Last year, the 512GB iPhone 13 mini was Apple's fastest depreciating model, losing 29.8 percent of its value 10 days after launch, followed by the 512GB iPhone 13, which lost 27.2 percent of its value.

While the iPhone 14 Plus is not yet available, aftermarket prices for the device are already in place, showing an expected average depreciation of 38.6 percent for the device. Naturally, this is subject to change once the device is available and the market can better evaluate demand.

The situation is markedly better for the iPhone 14 Pro Max, which has depreciated by just 19.6 percent. This is 1.8 percent better than last year's iPhone 13 Pro Max in the 10 days after launch. With deprecation of 18.2 percent, the 512GB iPhone 14 Pro Max is the best-performing model overall, compared to the 256GB iPhone 13 from last year, which lost just 9.9 percent of its value. As a whole, the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max are depreciating at a similar rate to the iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max, indicating similar strong demand.

The information is in line with multiple other reports claiming that there is low demand for the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus. Earlier today, display analyst Ross Young tweeted that panel orders for the iPhone 14 are down 38 percent versus the iPhone 13 at the same time last year. He added that iPhone 14 Pro Max panel orders are up 18 percent compared to the iPhone 13 Pro Max.

Shortly after launch, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said that demand for the two devices is "lackluster," with worse pre-order results than the third-generation iPhone SE and the iPhone 13 mini. He went as far as to claim that "Apple's product segmentation strategy for standard models fails this year" and Apple is believed to have shelved plans to increase production of the two devices. On the other hand, the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max continue to see high demand.

Article Link: More Signs of Low iPhone 14 Demand Emerge Across Resale Market and Supply Chain
It’s clear that Tim Cook can’t bring anything new to the Apple and all he does is trying to keep rolling the company on Steve Jobs ideas and innovations.
 
But really no one cares. There are lots of people like me, who could upgrade. But why should I buy the same twice? It is like you buy a red porsche one year and you buy the same red porsche next year again while selling the „old“ one.
There are people who do literally that, but that is a different conversation.
No one will notice, it makes no sense and it is just boring. It may delight you for a quarter of a second when you transfer the cash and unbox the same phone again. There isn‘t even a number „14“ on the case. Help someone with the cash and you‘ll make at least two people happy.
I will notice. Compared to what I have now and the last gen, the device is faster, the camera is better, the screen is better, etc.

If you’re suggesting doing better things with my money, well it’s my decision. But we give — it’s called tzedakah.
 
Apple should hurry up and consolidate on just the Ultra and price it at $3000 and expedite most of us moving to Android and reasonably priced non-pro phones.
 
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