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Motorola 1.5GHz G4... G4 PowerBooks?
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Re: Correction: AMD64 is no Mobile chip
I agree 100%, but let's face it... the PC world has pretty abysmal portables. Most are VERY hot, with low-ish spec's and awful battery life. Apple really takes them to the cleaners.
It may be possible to make a laptop that has an 85 watt power requirement just on the CPU... but I don't think they get over an hour and a half battery life. Is that actually portable? I don't know many PC laptop users that leave their laptop unplugged.
On the plus side, the new G5's will have lower or equal wattage than this new G4. Personally, I think the cards are clear:
<speculation>
The G5 PowerBook is coming no later than Sept. (probably WWDC with the G5+), the iBook will continue to use the G4, and will max out at 1.5 Ghz, which means that the G5 Powerbook will likely start at roughly that speed and move up.
</speculation>
All in time. But it's looking good!
I agree 100%, but let's face it... the PC world has pretty abysmal portables. Most are VERY hot, with low-ish spec's and awful battery life. Apple really takes them to the cleaners.
It may be possible to make a laptop that has an 85 watt power requirement just on the CPU... but I don't think they get over an hour and a half battery life. Is that actually portable? I don't know many PC laptop users that leave their laptop unplugged.
On the plus side, the new G5's will have lower or equal wattage than this new G4. Personally, I think the cards are clear:
<speculation>
The G5 PowerBook is coming no later than Sept. (probably WWDC with the G5+), the iBook will continue to use the G4, and will max out at 1.5 Ghz, which means that the G5 Powerbook will likely start at roughly that speed and move up.
</speculation>
All in time. But it's looking good!
it would be stupid for Apple to go into another PB rev with a G4. in the years to come more and more software will be optimized for G5. if Apple comes up with a G4 PowerBook, it'll be a professional laptop that's behind the revolution. and people who buy it will miss all the good things to come for the new G5 processor. i don't know about you, but if i am going to spend $3000 i expect the computer to be good for at least 2 years. a G4 rev PB, not gonna cut it. so face it, people won't buy it except those who are desperate. i say save the money and get G5 PB out as soon as possible.
oh well. it's news like this that makes me glad i bought my PB when i did.
but if the new ones have major upgrades... i might be tempted to upgrade again. when does it end!?
but if the new ones have major upgrades... i might be tempted to upgrade again. when does it end!?
Frobozz, you beat my post.
What crazy game is Apple playing.
They can't WAIT till the WWDC!
They need to ship when the product is ready. ASAP. If they want market share they have to Compete.
If they want to build Just for 3% then they can wait till h*** freezes over.
What crazy game is Apple playing.
They can't WAIT till the WWDC!
They need to ship when the product is ready. ASAP. If they want market share they have to Compete.
If they want to build Just for 3% then they can wait till h*** freezes over.
"I agree 100%, but let's face it... the PC world has pretty abysmal portables."
Overall I'd say that's true, but my company recently bought me a Dell Precision M60, and it is the bomb. 1920x1200 resolution widescreen, 60GB 7200RPM HD, 2 Gig RAM, 128MB NVidia QuadroFX 700 Video, Combo Drive, 1.7Gig Pentium-M. It's a beauty, although it's a bit heavy.
Overall I'd say that's true, but my company recently bought me a Dell Precision M60, and it is the bomb. 1920x1200 resolution widescreen, 60GB 7200RPM HD, 2 Gig RAM, 128MB NVidia QuadroFX 700 Video, Combo Drive, 1.7Gig Pentium-M. It's a beauty, although it's a bit heavy.
Originally posted by dernhelm
Your pants will go up at somewhere slightly above Farenheit 451.
The commonly accepted human threshold for burns is 140 degrees farenheit. Any temperature above that point will burn exposed skin. Since most people will have pants on, and not have the laptop directly on their skin, I would suspect (without knowing the QA process on laptops) that roughly 140 degrees is the maximum external temprature.
I know you were joking... but I had an insatiable need to be dorky for a minute.
Sounds rockin' from a spec. perspective. I think the places Apple excels (aside from generally advanced specs) is battery life and weight. Aesthetically, they are debatably the best looking... although that's a personal preference.
Indeed sounds like you've got a kick ass laptop, though.
omg if they put another g4 pb i'm gonna go with PC, doom3 is coming out and i ain't gonna wait. Stupid plan in my opinion i know a lot of PC users who wanted to convert but not at the cost of doom3, i might of waited till summer but not near the end of winter which is gonna seem unlikely with a g4 update. I bet if the g4 update is now it wont be until quarter 4 of dec. or next year quarter 1 to get a pb g5. And computers aren't something you update every 6 months. so i'd probably just get a g5 pb rev 2. I'm so pissed at this rumor now. =/. Waited since last year of august.
this is what we really expected, correct? it has been the dominant assumption that there would be one more moto G4 upgrade before the pb G5. the update will probably have a speed bump, better graphics card, bigger hd, and possibly fast superdrive. all of this is fine with me. i have accepted that i just don't need a g5, but a pb with the aforementioned specs will suit my needs.
Re: Re: Correction: AMD64 is no Mobile chip
Sorry but I claim BS on that statement. You obviously have never use a Pentium M device. I can rip a DVD and recompress it into a DIVX movie and the bottom of an IBM T40 laptop that is 1" thick is only slightly warm to the touch. For standard use I've been getting 4 hours off of a 1.5Ghz system. God people! Get real facts before you spout this BS.
Sorry but I claim BS on that statement. You obviously have never use a Pentium M device. I can rip a DVD and recompress it into a DIVX movie and the bottom of an IBM T40 laptop that is 1" thick is only slightly warm to the touch. For standard use I've been getting 4 hours off of a 1.5Ghz system. God people! Get real facts before you spout this BS.
Explain how not doing another G4 will make a G5 come out sooner? Do you honestly think they don't have enough people designing the G5 PB right now? Revving the the PB G4 is quick, easy, and doesn't at all take away from the PB G5 development.
Sorry, but it just takes time to engineer these products. As much as you and everyone else would love to see a PB G5 soon, it can't happen just because we want it to or because you think only desparate people would buy a PB G4 (which is BS).
Lots of people will buy a PB G4 (including me), because we know that software that supports the G4 will be available for years to come, and the only thing the G5 gives is extra speed. For most people, a new G4 will provide just as much utility, and will provide it sooner.
I understand that. What I was saying is this - when they came out with the G5 Powermacs last year, some of the benchmarks that people were ooh-ing and aah-ing over sure looked to me like the G5 Powermacs WERE basically scaling somewhere around 1:1 vs. clock speed when compared with the G4 Powermacs.
Admittedly those apps weren't optimized for the G5; the question is how much improvement can be reasonably expected once they are so optimized.
My thoughts exactly. The G5 might not come out for quite a while. In the meantime, Apple would be stupid to allow its PB line to stagnate. I will also buy if a new G4 line comes out, because by now most kinks have been worked out of the G4 and because it will probably be an excellent value. On the other hand, the first G5 may very well be problem-ridden, especially if its release comes before it has been thoroughly tested. I would applaud another round of G4's.
He was actually referring to the book Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury. Very, very interesting book. Similar to Orwell's 1984.Originally posted by Frobozz
The commonly accepted human threshold for burns is 140 degrees farenheit. Any temperature above that point will burn exposed skin. Since most people will have pants on, and not have the laptop directly on their skin, I would suspect (without knowing the QA process on laptops) that roughly 140 degrees is the maximum external temprature.
I know you were joking... but I had an insatiable need to be dorky for a minute.
I haven't read through the entire thread (I've got class in a few minutes) so sorry if this has already been mentioned.
If they release a 1.5 GHz PB, and put the new Radeon 9700 in it, we'll have a great gaming laptop. In fact, it'll be a better system than my top of the line G4 desktop!
If they release a 1.5 GHz PB, and put the new Radeon 9700 in it, we'll have a great gaming laptop. In fact, it'll be a better system than my top of the line G4 desktop!
What has not been covered is the fact that according to theregister the new cpu will only be available in couple of months. It is one thing if they release it tomorrow/next week, and another if they release it in 3-4 months. If Apple knows that they needs six or more months until G5 is ready, they can use this new machine now to hold consumers interested in the G4 version. Releasing it in April or May seems to me like a stupid idea.
I see only two possibilities:
1) Apple announces the new version either this week or next week. G5 will be annonced in about 6 months.
2) Apple will annonce a G5 laptop in about 3 or less months. Hence, we will not see another revision of a G4 powerbook. New chip will be used in future versions of the ibook.
I see only two possibilities:
1) Apple announces the new version either this week or next week. G5 will be annonced in about 6 months.
2) Apple will annonce a G5 laptop in about 3 or less months. Hence, we will not see another revision of a G4 powerbook. New chip will be used in future versions of the ibook.
Good point. If these chips will ship no earlier than the stated time, then they probably aren't going in PBs. Apple needs to update now, not right before the G5s hit.
Very good point on the availability of the 1.5 Ghz chips. From an outside sales perspective, I have a hard time believing Apple wouldn't update the PBs, most likely by the end of March to be inline with history. Of course I have no idea how the current PBs are selling--if they're selling like hotcakes the business/sales rationale to update them diminishes.
So the question then becomes this--if not these chips, then what? And there appear to be a few possibilities. First, the G5 may happen sooner rather than later. This seems unlikely to me the more I read, given the engineering challenges and supply questions. Second, there might not be any PB updates at all. Third, there might be a PB update coming but with a chip that is already in existence (if possible) but under the radar, or the update might not involve the CPU at all--it might be faster HD, graphics card, etc. Has Apple ever done that?
Best,
Bob
So the question then becomes this--if not these chips, then what? And there appear to be a few possibilities. First, the G5 may happen sooner rather than later. This seems unlikely to me the more I read, given the engineering challenges and supply questions. Second, there might not be any PB updates at all. Third, there might be a PB update coming but with a chip that is already in existence (if possible) but under the radar, or the update might not involve the CPU at all--it might be faster HD, graphics card, etc. Has Apple ever done that?
Best,
Bob