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Yvan256 said:
Bah, I'd still rather see a huge 20" PowerBook. Now THAT would be impressive! :D

What I'd want, though, is more something around a 8" iBook mini... Not a PDA, but a palm-sized laptop (sub-notebook?).

Widescreen 8" LCD (800x480 or 1024x600, no idea what's available right now), G3/700 with Altivec (doesn't IBM have one of those? In any case, it needs to have the absolute minimum for iLife' 05, nobody's going to expect this little laptop to actually breeze through the apps, especially iMovie), 256MB on-board (max 768MB or 1.25GB?), 40 to 80GB HD (same HD as regular iPod to keep the laptop smaller?), headphones out, line out and S-Video out built-in without any external adapter needed (to use as a portable media player), one or two USB 2.0, one Firewire 800, wireless (802.11b, no need for 802.11g on such a thing?). To keep it small, it has no CD drive and no touchpad, but does have a touch-screen (could even twist 360 degrees to use as a tablet, perhaps? At this size it would actually be usable as a "tablet", IMO). Priced to compete with the extreme high-end Pocket PCs.

Say hello to iBook mini, your portable iLife.
Only 499$US.

Hey, anything's possible for the next MWSF, right?


You're basically describing the HP Jornada Handheld PC on crack. I'd LOVE to see something like this from Apple. It would have to be $600 or less in order to not step on the iBooks toes, this is something I have trouble seeing Apple do. :(

However using a touchcreen for the 'mouse' input sucks. If it were a tablet form factor device, it would be usable, but as a folding sub-notebook, it sucks. It's very uncomforatable and unnatural to use. I think that having a touchpad that slides out like a CD-ROM tray would work better.
 
What I'd love to see.

PowerMac: New G5, my dad has been waiting to upgrade his G4 AGP, at least Dual 3.0 or 3.2ghz or higher would be wonderful

PowerBook: Very high G4 (2.0ghz) or Low-End G5 (1.6-1.8ghz), 100gbHD, 8x DVD±R drive, FW800 and better graphics card at low-end. Lap protection pad to prevent burns. ;)

eMac: 1.7ghz G4 (Dual?) 80gb HD, LCD would be too expensive. These machines are great as they are. Maybe add FW800.

iPod: More space? Of course they will be updated... everyone just bought them for the holidays...yay!

iPod Mini: 5gb, smaller and smoother...Color? *shot*

iPhone: I can dream can't I? Accepts the new smaller MultiMediaCard (The small small versions that I've recently herd of), iTunes, iPhoto compatible. Bluetooh....USB?

iLife '05: iMovie, instant-titles, transitions, Like FCP, - iPhoto: Faster, iPod Photo support, - iDVD: More themes (again...)...Faster encoding while running the program. Better codec to fit more video on disc. GarageBand: Faster...more loops, new features? iTunes: ...I can't think of anything here...

Fun Stuff: iChat AV for Windows, iLife'05 for Windows,....Mac OS X for Windows....Apple announces the new PowerBook G5 free with iPod Photo purchase to make things sell faster...lol

I'm just guessing here...nobody get excited. I'd really like to see that 3.0+ghz for the PowerMac G5, my dad needs a new computer and this would knock his socks off. I don't see how they can make the iPods much better, same with the PowerBooks...they'd get WAY too hot...

Hahahaha, ho ho ho!

Happy Holidays... :D :cool:
 
mrgreen4242 said:
You're basically describing the HP Jornada Handheld PC on crack. I'd LOVE to see something like this from Apple. It would have to be $600 or less in order to not step on the iBooks toes, this is something I have trouble seeing Apple do. :(

Even the Jordana runs WinCE, can't even run 98SE on that. If Apple does make an "iBook mini" it has to be no different than their other laptops (that is, it must run OS X, full, regular, non-modified, non-compact version). Basically take a previous-generation iBook G3, and make it ultra-compact (don't really care about the thickness as long as it stays the same, but the overall size has got to shrink down. Funny how I've seen "iBook mini" concepts, but the guy simply made it thinner... That's not mini at all!)

mrgreen4242 said:
However using a touchcreen for the 'mouse' input sucks. If it were a tablet form factor device, it would be usable, but as a folding sub-notebook, it sucks. It's very uncomforatable and unnatural to use. I think that having a touchpad that slides out like a CD-ROM tray would work better.

Depends on taste I guess. I hate touchpads since there's no way to be as precise as a regular mouse, I can use the "trackpoint" from IBM without much problems (you can be precise with practice), but touchscreen is better in my opinion (it's like a touchpad, but you've got a much bigger surface to point, and you point directly at what you want to "click"). Perhaps you're not used to them and/or you've used crappy ones?

In any case I don't think that "slide-out" touchpad is a good idea (moving parts are more fragile, and in such a small laptop it would require too much internal space to be worth it).

How about a compromise solution? I wouldn't say no to a built-in trackball... (and it works better with MAME for Marble Madness). :D
 
Yvan256 said:
I do have the scoop.
The G5 generates too much heat, and requires too much power. But people want their PowerBook G5 anyway.
So, the only option is the following...
Introducing: The 20" PowerBook G5! The biggest laptop on earth!

yah, yah, since about 1 1/2 years the same argue, don't u think these 2 tremendous corporations apple and ibm can reduce power consumption/heat generation through new techniques? it can't be that just moto, intel or amd are competent enough for this holy grail, a special adapted cpu or maybe also less high systembusses would help or also active and passive cooling on the other hand, a lot of options, i would say ...

_
 
My guess is MWSF will be mostly on Tiger and iPods. I don't expect too much on the hardware front. Since I only expect a new Albook revision, I'm not even sure if Apple will announce them at MWSF. I wouldn't be surprised if they were silently released a couple of weeks after MWSF. I guess it's a given that Steve Jobs will run a new Tiger demo. But I don't think he will already announce the official release date. From what I've read, the latest Tiger builds don't seem to be at a close to release stage yet. SJ might give a hint as to when we can expect Tiger, instead of "in the first half of 2005" the official wording might be changed to "in the second quarter of 2005". After all, don't forget the official release date of Panther was only announced three weeks in advance. A January or early February release just doesn't seem possible. As for iPods, an update for the minis seems a good bet, however despite all the rumours, I'm still skeptical about a flash iPod. iLife 05 is possibility, too, but Apple might release it together with Tiger if the latter was ready for a spring release.
 
It does seem that many of the hardware updates have been done without the fanfare of a major Apple event. So we may very well see some updates to the PowerBook and Power Mac coming later in January or February. PLease though with out the delivery delays.
 
Major Hardware Updates

I still think PowerBook G5's are on the way and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a simultaneous release for a few products. I do however agree that these big events are not the place to do it. I think we will see shipping dates for the beginning of March (delays, inevitable).

I have just got a feeling that Apple are gonna go 'bish bash bosh' - there you go... 3Ghz PowerMac, 1.8Ghz PowerBook G5 and OS X Tiger, now give me your money, stop your moaning and bugger off :D (Oh... and start the rumors on the eMac/iMac G5, the multi-core G6, Video iPods, iTheatre, Radio iPods and Wireless entertainment servers.

It would still be nice to get a preview of upcoming hardware at MWSF with later shipping dates.

Crazy World Made of Apples....

PS: I have done a bit of a cut and paste job to try and imagine what the G5 PowerBook would look like. Any ideas (or anyone got any concepts of their own?)

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Looks good but the removable faceplate for the ports is a bad idea, moving parts = breaking parts. Looks nice though, power port should be a tad bigger...(makes the laptop look too big)

;)
 
I think this is what's coming based off of my research, but what do I know... im a "nOOb":

• Powerbook G5 or Dual Processor G4 (Have to do something)
• Tiger 10.5 (Release of iLife)
• iLife 05 (Built around Tiger)
• eMac Upgrades (Must Do)
• Keynote 2.0 (Already been Showed)

and the newest member to the "i" family

drum rollllllll please....

• "iPad" = TABLET PC "The Wireless Device for Your Life"
Base Specs:
- G4 Processor 1.2ish GHZ
- OSX Software
- Firewire
- USB 2.0
- Ethernet
- Bluetooth Wireless Keyboard (Accessory)
- Wireless Video
- 5 hr battery
- 8" - 12" screen
- 0.6" thin
- And some "CRAZY GADGETS" that only Apple is capable of coming up
with (perhaps first to see afforadbel wireless video in a hand held
computer)

We will see some industry firsts here, Apple will take advantage of the Tablet PC market based off of sales, and show the industry a first (for new techology)!!! like with the iPod... this is everyones answer to the video iPod, and wireless capabilities for it... too much technology to fit into a tiny iPod shell... they need a nice compact mini iBook for these new features!!!

I do not think they will add a flash ipod just yet, they are already doing too well with the iPod, they will run with it for a few more months, then once they have EVERYONE hooked, then they will drop the "must have" ipod flash!!
 
Yvan256 said:
Even the Jordana runs WinCE, can't even run 98SE on that. If Apple does make an "iBook mini" it has to be no different than their other laptops (that is, it must run OS X, full, regular, non-modified, non-compact version). Basically take a previous-generation iBook G3, and make it ultra-compact (don't really care about the thickness as long as it stays the same, but the overall size has got to shrink down. Funny how I've seen "iBook mini" concepts, but the guy simply made it thinner... That's not mini at all!)



Depends on taste I guess. I hate touchpads since there's no way to be as precise as a regular mouse, I can use the "trackpoint" from IBM without much problems (you can be precise with practice), but touchscreen is better in my opinion (it's like a touchpad, but you've got a much bigger surface to point, and you point directly at what you want to "click"). Perhaps you're not used to them and/or you've used crappy ones?

In any case I don't think that "slide-out" touchpad is a good idea (moving parts are more fragile, and in such a small laptop it would require too much internal space to be worth it).

How about a compromise solution? I wouldn't say no to a built-in trackball... (and it works better with MAME for Marble Madness). :D


I've used lots of good touchscreens on laptop styled devices. It's just not a comfortable way to work on a small computer. It's not to bad on a full desktop with a monitor that isn't right in front of your keyboard. Try it sometime... you have to lift up your arm from the shoulder to do any mouse work. It get's really uncomfortable after about 15 minutes.

I agree that moving parts is probably a bad idea... that only leaves one of those little eraser head in the middle of the keyboard thingies. I personally can be very accurate with a touchpad (can play fps games with them after a little warming up). I find the trick is not to slide your finger around, but use a fat thumb and roll it around, changing the center of contact, and settign the sensitivity up kinda high. However, I know not everyone is comfortable with them... however, no one can be comfortable with a laptop touch screen for more than 15 minutes of regular mouse work. Your shoulders just can't hold up to that kind of abuse. (It's not bad if you are holding the thing in your lap or something, but if it is up on a desk/table, it's excruciating).

Anyways, I wanted to add that I don't think we will see a G5 eMac or a Dual CPU emac. Probably have one more revision of the G4 before they roll out a 1.6ghz eMac and a 1.8/2.0 iMac upgrade around the same time. I'm guessing:

- PowerMacs - no announcement at MWSF, but short afterwards they will slip in an upgrade. Single CPU version goes to 2.0ghz, with full 1ghz FSB. No more dual 1.8ghz's, but the 3.0ghz's will be announced and ship relitively soon afterwards. The 9600XT will become standard on all dual CPU machines. The single CPU will keep the 5200Ultra awhile longer. Will Apple get a clue and offer 512MB ram as standard on the high end models at least? Probably not, but who knows!

- 1.5ghz G4 eMacs, with the a GPU that is CoreImage ready... either the 5200ultra (much to iMacG5 users dismay =p) or a version of the 5200Go?

- PowerBooks go to 1.33ghz (12"), 1.5ghz (all 15") and 1.72ghz (17"). The top two models will get 128mb VRAM standard, the 12" will go to 9600 mobilities.

- iBook - No change... have to give the PBs a chance to 'pull ahead' for a bit.

- iMac - sadly, no changes in GPU for the iMac. After the eMac goes G5 it will get a better video subsystem and a speed bump, but not till then.

- iPod - mini goes to 5gb, flashPod announced as 512mb for $149, 1gb for $199.

- Tiger - Demo of some new features we have heard about already, and also some sort of 'suprise' feature that isn't in any builds yet, but will be in the final release. Nothing revolutionary, but something that hasn't been done yet. Release will be announced as 2nd quarter or Spring '05, or something else equally vague.

- iPhone - Will be mentioned that Apple has a new product in the works for this summer, with Motorola, but nothing specific will be said.

- Keynote will be featured, of course. No suprises there.

That's what I think... probably wrong all the way down the list, but it's fun the speculate :)

Happy Holidays,

Rob
 
mrgreen4242 said:
- PowerBooks go to 1.33ghz (12"), 1.5ghz (all 15") and 1.72ghz (17"). The top two models will get 128mb VRAM standard, the 12" will go to 9600 mobilities.

Rob

The 12" PB already is at 1.33 GHz, as is the 15" at 1.5 GHz. They have to increase CPU speed a bit. So the 12" will get a 1.5 GHz G4. That way, it keeps a small distance to the iBooks
 
LimeiBook86 said:
Looks good but the removable faceplate for the ports is a bad idea, moving parts = breaking parts. Looks nice though, power port should be a tad bigger...(makes the laptop look too big)

;)

Thanks :), too true to all the above... I couldn't find a way of keeping the style relatively G5 looking without the ports hidden in some way but I agree the panel would break. I might try and fix it when I get bored again sometime this week... have you seen any PowerBook G5 concepts on the net? If so could you post some links. Cheers ;)
 
I'm thinking iLife '05 might be possible, but I wonder if they will tie it to Tiger or not. While some features might require Tiger for the core audio, video support, I think Apple would make a lot more money if they were to sell iLife '05 separately to everyone that has iLife '04 and runs OS X 10.3.

If it were me (and it's definitely not), I would schedule iLife '05 to release at the same time as Tiger, support 10.3 but also include some Tiger-only features/acceleration, sell it separately at $49, sell Tiger at $99, and sell a Tiger/iLife bundle for $129 (or a mail-in rebate for $20 with proof of purchase for both).
 
Exclusive image of the new iPod!

Not sure if it's been done before, but here goes anyway.

Okay, I'm officially bored. :D
 

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Scott Swain said:
I think this is what's coming based off of my research, but what do I know... im a "nOOb":

• Powerbook G5 or Dual Processor G4 (Have to do something)
• Tiger 10.5 (Release of iLife)
• iLife 05 (Built around Tiger)
• eMac Upgrades (Must Do)
• Keynote 2.0 (Already been Showed)

It would certainly be a big surprise if the PowerBook made that kind of advance. Of course the dual processor could be much more likely.

Tiger will be 10.4. No cat name yet for 10.5.
 
puckhead193 said:
aynone know if it's going to be broadcasted over the internet live?
The Macworld San Francisco keynote will almost certainly be available as a live QuickTime broadcast, judging from past years.
 
I think apple is teasing us with the powerbooks. They are making these stupid little processor bumps but soon they are gonna release a 1.8 standard g5 in the powerbook and Boom! All hell will break lose and we will all be saying thanks apple we always knew you had it in you :rolleyes:
 
puckhead193 said:
aynone know if it's going to be broadcasted over the internet live?

If they do the same as last year it should also be available live at your local Apple Store. It was streamed live via satellite. It was great to view it live with other Mac enthusiast's and the store staff. Our local store even set up chairs. My wife has ask for the day off from work.
 
puckhead193 said:
aynone know if it's going to be broadcasted over the internet live?

I hope it will be live, but I don't think it will. Steve seems to be very upset over the leaked Q97 information. But I am sure one of the rumor sites will do something 'live' through IRC....... I hope....
 
if i ran apple i woluld pull out all the stops to make the fastest notebook in the world a dual 1.8/2GHz g5 powerbook in a new thicker case alongside single g5 powerbooks in the old thin case, the duals with 9800's and the singles with 9700's and no dual for the 12".
 
Apple isn't getting any more of my money until the Dual 3ghz G5 Powermacs hit the street. I was rather hopeful that this would be on the bill for this keynote... I am sure Steve would love to announce it.
 
I'm more and more convinced that the keynote is going to be 50% iPod/iTunes, 40% Tiger, and 10% on feel-good fluff like the grid supercomputing projects, photoshop benchmarks, and educators using Macs.

iPod/iTunes-
* 200+ million downloads
* iPod marketshare
* Bono of U2 on stage
* New countries announced
* AirTunes update
* Belkin bluetooth "remote"
* Motorola phone coming
* iTunes ringtone store
* iPod mini update (5GB) - still $249
* iPod flash (1GB) - $229 (and everyone will complain that it should be $199)

Tiger-
* architecture overview
* dashboard (showing entries from contest)
* automator
* Spotlight
* CoreImage/Audio/etc.
* iLife '05 optimized for Tiger w/ CoreImage, etc. h/w acceleration
* extensive iLife '05 demos
* The Edge of U2 on stage for GarageBand 2 demo
* release quarter (no specific date yet)

I'll be shocked if there's any hardware announcements in the desktop or portable lines.

[post corrected to "200+ Million"]
 
weldon said:
iPod/iTunes-
* 2 million downloads
* iPod marketshare
* Bono of U2 on stage
* New countries announced
* AirTunes update
* Belkin bluetooth "remote"
* Motorola phone coming
* iTunes ringtone store
* iPod mini update (5GB) - still $249
* iPod flash (1GB) - $229 (and everyone will complain that it should be $199)

Tiger-
* architecture overview
* dashboard (showing entries from contest)
* automator
* Spotlight
* CoreImage/Audio/etc.
* iLife '05 optimized for Tiger w/ CoreImage, etc. h/w acceleration
* extensive iLife '05 demos
* The Edge of U2 on stage for GarageBand 2 demo
* release quarter (no specific date yet)

Hmm, probably you meant 200 million downloads? But for the rest, sounds very reasonable. I expect an eMac update, just because it's overdue and Tiger will require a new videocard for all the CoreImage features.
 
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