My iPhone 5 iOS 7 was replaced with iOS 6...

[C DM]

You're entitled to your view but the thing is, I really don't believe the people you're describing exist. I think even the most ardent admirer of IOS 7 willingly accepts and understands that as a major new branch of IOS it's going to have some bugs. It's the people struggling with the new look and feel that see those bugs as anything out of the ordinary.

It's hard to believe that people who had/have stability or serious functionality issues with iOS 6 exist as well, as most certainly do not, but various people (along with you, as you admitted) seem to be in that category. Does the fact that the vast majority have not experienced any real stability or functionality issues with iOS 6 diminish what you experienced with it or make it any less real? Does someone continuously telling you that you really don't have those issues and you are likely just imagining them and it just can't be true really help you or change the fact that you experience them? Now, apply that to iOS 7...there's irony in there somewhere.

 

[klogg]

If you're honestly trying to say that you can enter messages or start a new contact or whatever faster on your 4S than I can on my 5 running IOS 7... Nope. Sorry. That's nonsense. The things you're talking about are absolutely instant on my phone, unless IOS 6 bends time in some way you won't be doing them faster.

You should try it and see if you can! I can make a youtube video for you? Anyway as I said iOS 7 will be faster in later versions, I'm sure in that!

 

[I7guy]

It's hard to believe that people who had/have stability or serious functionality issues with iOS 6 exist as well, as most certainly do not, but various people (along with you, as you admitted) seem to be in that category. Does the fact that the vast majority have not experienced any real stability or functionality issues with iOS 6 diminish what you experienced with it or make it any less real? Does someone continuously telling you that you really don't have those issues and you are likely just imagining them and it just can't be true really help you or change the fact that you experience them? Now, apply that to iOS 7...there's irony in there somewhere.

The irony is that ill bet a vast majority dont have issues with Ios 7 either. Yes there is a small microcosm here at MR. For example ,my wife complained about the Ios 7 update. Due to the security breaches in 7.0.2 I made her update to 7.0.4. Since the update, not a peep from her. This as well as coworkers who are on 7.0.4.

 

[2IS]

Every so often I see an iOS 6 screenshot online and get depressed at how much better it looks than iOS7 on my phone. That's before we even touch on the speed difference.

 

[C DM]

The irony is that ill bet a vast majority dont have issues with Ios 7 either. Yes there is a small microcosm here at MR. For example ,my wife complained about the Ios 7 update. Due to the security breaches in 7.0.2 I made her update to 7.0.4. Since the update, not a peep from her. This as well as coworkers who are on 7.0.4.

Don't think it can be said that the vast majority don't have issues with iOS 7, especially since the vast majority aren't really on online forums discussing these issues.

What can be said though is that based on the posts on forums like this one there are more people with stability type of issues since iOS 7 updates or with devices on iOS 7 than there have been with previous iOS updates. Sure, there have always been people with issues with any update, but often they weren't of stability kind, more related to some functionality not working or something else of that sort, and even those with some stability issues have been fewer than those who seem to have them now (even looking at a small userbase that actually does visit online forums and posts).

 

[anthony.tapay.7]

The ios 7.1 beta is faster than 7.0.4 and hoping the public release of ios 7.1 will fix its performance

 

[I7guy]

Don't think it can be said that the vast majority don't have issues with iOS 7, especially since the vast majority aren't really on online forums discussing these issues.

What can be said though is that based on the posts on forums like this one there are more people with stability type of issues since iOS 7 updates or with devices on iOS 7 than there have been with previous iOS updates. Sure, there have always been people with issues with any update, but often they weren't of stability kind, more related to some functionality not working or something else of that sort, and even those with some stability issues have been fewer than those who seem to have them now (even looking at a small userbase that actually does visit online forums and posts).

A problem not noticed is not a problem.

If Ios 7 was truly a clunker, it would have made the front page of every newspaper or magazine.

You know my view, ios 7 is as stable, or not, as ios 6. You cant gauge issues from looking at forum posts as it's like predicting the reliability of a car from reading a car forum.

Not that people aren't having issues, as I'm sure they are. But how widespread is the question.

 

[Armen]

i'd take iphone 5 with ios 6 over 7 anytime

and then how much longer before you complain that it looks dated or boring?

 

[Dented]

Don't think it can be said that the vast majority don't have issues with iOS 7, especially since the vast majority aren't really on online forums discussing these issues.



What can be said though is that based on the posts on forums like this one there are more people with stability type of issues since iOS 7 updates or with devices on iOS 7 than there have been with previous iOS updates. Sure, there have always been people with issues with any update, but often they weren't of stability kind, more related to some functionality not working or something else of that sort, and even those with some stability issues have been fewer than those who seem to have them now (even looking at a small userbase that actually does visit online forums and posts).

Yeah... no. I think you're wrong to keep declaring what the "vast majority" is or isn't experiencing and I don't believe you can even begin to substantiate your claims that the snags with IOS 7 outweigh those of previous versions - as discussed it's all just a matter of perception.

7 is a very high profile, highly visible update and that's reflected in the forums and the uptick in interest in this IOS vs others. Considering the fact that something like 75% of all the millions (billions?) of IOS devices out there are now running IOS 7, attempting to draw any conclusions from the relatively minuscule number of posters with problems here is pure folly. As others have said, if there were genuinely widespread problems with the software, the discontent would be deafening by now and be well reported in mainstream channels, not simply conjectured over by a handful of unhappy people here.

 

[Dented]

My iPhone 5 iOS 7 was replaced with iOS 6...damn

You should try it and see if you can! I can make a youtube video for you? Anyway as I said iOS 7 will be faster in later versions, I'm sure in that!

Seriously, maybe I should make a video for you - there is no chance in hell that your 4S is faster than my 5 running IOS 7. For the everyday tasks you mention, my phone is instant. There is no waiting. No room for improvement.

More to the point, I used to have a 4S running 6 and I know perfectly well it wasn't faster - faster than a 4S running 7 perhaps, but not a 5.

 

[C DM]

Yeah... no. I think you're wrong to keep declaring what the "vast majority" is or isn't experiencing and I don't believe you can even begin to substantiate your claims that the snags with IOS 7 outweigh those of previous versions - as discussed it's all just a matter of perception.

7 is a very high profile, highly visible update and that's reflected in the forums and the uptick in interest in this IOS vs others. Considering the fact that something like 75% of all the millions (billions?) of IOS devices out there are now running IOS 7, attempting to draw any conclusions from the relatively minuscule number of posters with problems here is pure folly. As others have said, if there were genuinely widespread problems with the software, the discontent would be deafening by now and be well reported in mainstream channels, not simply conjectured over by a handful of unhappy people here.

The main thing that I've been talking about for the most part is simply that based on everything so far iOS 7 appears to be less stable than iOS 6. Most of what you mentioned wouldn't really apply to any of that anyway. Now, you can say you aren't having any issues and many others aren't having any issues, but at the same time you can't say that people who haven't had issues with iOS 6 before aren't having issues with iOS 7 either.

In fact, as I mentioned before, given you personal experience with iOS 6 issues that didn't really spread to the majority of people, you can definitely see there can be issues affecting groups of people, and even though they might not be humongous and/or widespread, a comparison between what the experience was like with iOS 6 and what it is now with iOS 7 for those people can certainly be made.

 

[Troneas]

iOS 6.x is the fastest OS after android 4.4

 

[Dented]

My iPhone 5 iOS 7 was replaced with iOS 6...damn

In fact, as I mentioned before, given you personal experience with iOS 6 issues that didn't really spread to the majority of people, you can definitely see there can be issues affecting groups of people, and even though they might not be humongous and/or widespread, a comparison between what the experience was like with iOS 6 and what it is now with iOS 7 for those people can certainly be made.

You can draw all the comparisons you like, but they don't mean anything, because they're completely unscientific and partisan extrapolations of data from a statistically insignificant, flawed sample.

EVERY version of IOS has had bugs of varying severity affecting a minority users, particularly at the start of a new cycle. That's objective, recorded fact. Everything else you're trying to assert about one version over another is unfounded speculation coloured by your own subjective experience and therefore, frankly, irrelevant.

 

[C DM]

You can draw all the comparisons you like, but they don't mean anything, because they're completely unscientific and partisan extrapolations of data from a limited, flawed sample.

EVERY version of IOS has had bugs affecting at least a few users, particularly at the start of a new cycle. That's objective, recorded fact. Everything else you're trying to assert about one version over another is unfounded speculation coloured by your own subjective experience and therefore, frankly, irrelevant.

Well, certainly no more (and I'd say less) "flawed" than trying to draw conclusions about the success of iOS 7, let alone how good it is, from numbers of new device that have been sold. 😉

And, certainly all of what you said undermines your comments even more in relation to stability of iOS 7 vs. iOS 6 based on your personal experiences.

So, I guess all that can be said then is that we can't really argue if iOS 7 is more or less stable (or even overall better or worse) than iOS 6 in a general sense--it's the personal experiences that really matter to people who are affected by them (as it really doesn't make something better or worse for those people if someone else is not having the issues they are having or is having some issues that they aren't having).

 

[Dented]

Well, certainly no more (and I'd say less) "flawed" than trying to draw conclusions about the success of iOS 7, let alone how good it is, from numbers of new device that have been sold. 😉

And, certainly all of what you said undermines your comments even more in relation to stability of iOS 7 vs. iOS 6 based on your personal experiences.

So, I guess all that can be said then is that we can't really argue if iOS 7 is more or less stable (or even overall better or worse) than iOS 6 in a general sense--it's the personal experiences that really matter to people who are affected by them (as it really doesn't make something better or worse for those people if someone else is not having the issues they are having or is having some issues that they aren't having).

Sorry but the sales don't lie. I maintain they are the only objective indicator of the success or failure of IOS 7; there is no question that if IOS 7 was deeply flawed, if the design direction was wrong, if the experience was poor etc etc, that would be reflected in the sales of new devices designed to run it. Meaningful comparisons are there to be drawn; put simply if Apple is maintaining or exceeding the kind of momentum IOS devices were enjoying this time last year then IOS 7 is doing it's job admirably.

And no, nothing I've said undermines my previous comments. My personal experience is that IOS 7 is much more reliable than IOS 6. That's what I said and that's what I stand by. I have never said or implied that IOS 7 is more reliable for the majority, since none of us have anything to base that on, I can only confirm that it's been more reliable for me.

 

[sunking101]

I'm a heavy smartphone user and have owned the i4, 4S and presently the iPhone 5. I use my phone for calls, texts and I browse the web for hours daily. I charge my phone twice a day, it gets used to death. Now I think that I'm in a position to comment, having used iOS extensively since iOS5, that the latest incarnation of the o/s gives me nothing new other than a "fresh new look" and extra Safari tabs. I have gained no new features that I actually use, let alone need. However, my battery life has decreased by a third each charge cycle, I experience numerous call, app & Safari crashes and web browsing is clumsy. Safari doesn't remember where I was on a webpage when I hit the back key (it always frustratingly takes me to the top of the page) and websites with lots of picture content scroll slowly. Safari in iOS6 and before was a much more refined beast. Now whilst I don't mind the new look of iOS7, until it gives me the same user experience and battery life as iOS6 then I'm extremely disappointed with Apple. My phone is a much worsened device now it has iOS7 on it. Oh and of course I have done numerous clean installs etc. It just plain doesn't work very well on the iPhone 5 *in comparison to the same phone running iOS6*

If you take away the "fresh new look" and concentrate purely on useability, then you're kidding yourself if you say that iOS7 is better.

 

[I7guy]

Sorry but the sales don't lie. I maintain they are the only objective indicator of the success or failure of IOS 7; there is no question that if IOS 7 was deeply flawed, if the design direction was wrong, if the experience was poor etc etc, that would be reflected in the sales of new devices designed to run it. Meaningful comparisons are there to be drawn; put simply if Apple is maintaining or exceeding the kind of momentum IOS devices were enjoying this time last year then IOS 7 is doing it's job admirably.

And no, nothing I've said undermines my previous comments. My personal experience is that IOS 7 is much more reliable than IOS 6. That's what I said and that's what I stand by. I have never said or implied that IOS 7 is more reliable for the majority, since none of us have anything to base that on, I can only confirm that it's been more reliable for me.

There is an article on imore stating apple says ios7 adoption rate is 74%. That is a significant number in three months.

 

[sunking101]

There is an article on imore stating apple says ios7 adoption rate is 74%. That is a significant number in three months.

Who cares about adoption rates? We're all pretty much forced to go with the latest thing and most people aren't heavy users so probably don't use their phones to anywhere near their potential. Plus most are iSheep. Satisfaction figures amongst heavy users would be a much more valid statistic.

 

[~Ks383~]

If you take away the "fresh new look" and concentrate purely on useability, then you're kidding yourself if you say that iOS7 is better.

This statement might be true for you but it is not necessarily true for everyone. I'm not minimizing or dismissing your issues but I am not experiencing any of them on my devices. Since I have none of these issues, for me the addition of features such as swipe gestures, the control center, and the ability to access the notification center from the lock screen make iOS 7 better from a usability standpoint.

 

[C DM]

There is an article on imore stating apple says ios7 adoption rate is 74%. That is a significant number in three months.

You find more about that part of it all over at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1681237/

 

[Dented]

My iPhone 5 iOS 7 was replaced with iOS 6...damn

Who cares about adoption rates? We're all pretty much forced to go with the latest thing and most people aren't heavy users so probably don't use their phones to anywhere near their potential. Plus most are iSheep. Satisfaction figures amongst heavy users would be a much more valid statistic.

Yes of course - lets just ask the "heavy users" (read: people who agree with you and complain on here) and ignore the views of light users/iSheep (people who don't have a problem with IOS 7). Very impartial.

 

[Dented]

I'm a heavy smartphone user and have owned the i4, 4S and presently the iPhone 5. I use my phone for calls, texts and I browse the web for hours daily. I charge my phone twice a day, it gets used to death. Now I think that I'm in a position to comment, having used iOS extensively since iOS5, that the latest incarnation of the o/s gives me nothing new other than a "fresh new look" and extra Safari tabs. I have gained no new features that I actually use, let alone need. However, my battery life has decreased by a third each charge cycle, I experience numerous call, app & Safari crashes and web browsing is clumsy. Safari doesn't remember where I was on a webpage when I hit the back key (it always frustratingly takes me to the top of the page) and websites with lots of picture content scroll slowly. Safari in iOS6 and before was a much more refined beast. Now whilst I don't mind the new look of iOS7, until it gives me the same user experience and battery life as iOS6 then I'm extremely disappointed with Apple. My phone is a much worsened device now it has iOS7 on it. Oh and of course I have done numerous clean installs etc. It just plain doesn't work very well on the iPhone 5 *in comparison to the same phone running iOS6*



If you take away the "fresh new look" and concentrate purely on useability, then you're kidding yourself if you say that iOS7 is better.

I really don't recognise anything you're saying here - in fact I just tested the safari thing and (as I already knew) the back key took right back to where I was on every web page I tried, not to the top of the page. I have seen that kind of behaviour before but it's a feature of certain web sites and the way they're coded and definitely happened on IOS 6 too, it's not something new (or more prevalent) on IOS 7.

Oh and of course I don't peck at the "back key" in IOS 7, I swipe. Much more intuitive and one of the many good usability improvements in the OS.

Other things I really appreciate in IOS 7: automatic app updates, background refresh, everything about the brilliant control centre, scrolling folders, the look and translucency that means a wallpaper change can change everything, iCloud Keychain, video in shared photostreams and the ability to share posting rights, the big IMPROVEMENT in battery life that means my phone now lasts all day every day.. the list goes on and on.

 

[3bs]

That's a 6 page thread demonstrating a lot of different crashing behaviour in different circumstances, with probably a wide range of causes including hardware in some cases. What is this repeatable crash that you can apparently perform on an iPhone 5? Perhaps we could all try it? Since updating mine at the launch of IOS 7 I think I've only encountered one early glitch - nothing compared to some of the behaviour of previous versions I've seen.

I never said I could repeat it. It just happens throughout the day.

 

[E2EK1EL]

Other things I really appreciate in IOS 7: automatic app updates

That's where Facebook took advantage on all the suckers on iOS 7, ver 6.8 for iOS now has full Video Ads enabled. For those who had "auto updates" enabled couldn't avoid it and for those who use manual update still got fooled to hit the update button.

"Facebook App Updated to Automatically Play Videos in News Feed"

http://www.iclarified.com/36562/facebook-app-updated-to-automatically-play-videos-in-news-feed

What's New In This Version:
• Videos now play automatically in News Feed — tap for sound <-- was not listed in the official details
• Bug fixes

 

[C DM]

That's where Facebook took advantage on all the suckers on iOS 7, ver 6.8 for iOS now has full Video Ads enabled. For those who had "auto updates" enabled couldn't avoid it and for those who use manual update still got fooled to hit the update button.

"Facebook App Updated to Automatically Play Videos in News Feed"

http://www.iclarified.com/36562/facebook-app-updated-to-automatically-play-videos-in-news-feed

What's New In This Version:
• Videos now play automatically in News Feed — tap for sound <-- was not listed in the official details
• Bug fixes

Strange, that was listed in the release notes when I got the Facebook update (minutes after it was released, as well as later on on another iPhone).