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Then that's a monopoly problem, totally different, but then again, not really. Because every time government takes control of something, it becomes a monopoly. I have one power company to choose from, and I have to pay their prices or I don't have power. I have one gas company, one water company, and I have to pay their prices too, no matter what they are, or I don't have gas or water. I don't want to have only one internet company. Some people may only have one option now, but in a free and open market, another company can set up shop at any time. With government control, your internet provider monopoly problem will never go away.
I thought we weren't play 'what if's'.

There is nothing to support that net neutrality caused ISP monopolies and/or prevents them from being broken up.
 
I want USA and this president to succeed

Me too. I just happen to disagree with most of the way he's going about it.

I wanted obama to succeed too, but he didn’t...

We'll have to disagree on that one. I wish he could have done more, but I think his term was mostly a success.

His heart was in showing up on late night shows and becoming a smiling meme

Really? If you're going to go down that road, then the current guy's heart is only in placating his own ego.
 
From the Spectrum web site: "Stuck in a contract? We'll buy it out up to $500"

You see, that's a company innovating in the free marketplace.
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Just pointing out the hypocrisy. CA has a huge barrier on its border. They should tear down that racist wall!! ;)

You seem to be making a lot of presumptions. Charter's not available in my area. Which is EXACTLY why NN is needed. A majority of the US is covered by cable providers who have a monopoly on their coverage area! So when Comcast decided to implement an arbitrary data cap on my service, what choices do I and the millions of others like me have!?
 
Ignoring your debunked recycled republican talking points I would much rather live in California than any republicans controlled staate.
"Only by ignoring your proven republican talking points can I stand to live in California rather than any republicans controlled state."

Fixed it for you.
 
Oh?

“Ms13 is really bad”

Trump: “they are animals”

Liberals: “we need to be more tolerant of ms13. They’re people too. These rapists and carvers and murderers, they have feelings”



“We need to make America great again” -bill clinton

“Well yea. Improving the country is called progress” -liberals

“We need to make America great again” -trump

“What kinda crap is that? How pessimistic can he get? I wanna go back to Obama Utopia”



“We need to do something about border control” -bill clinton

“Of course, that’s national security and our sovereignty at stake” -liberals

“We’re gonna build a wall” -trump

“What a racist! Why would he wanna do that?”



Are you seeing a pattern? Probably not .. sigh

This is almost laughable.

You really think whatever pops off in you head is proof that you know liberals?
 
Me too. I just happen to disagree with most of the way he's going about it.



We'll have to disagree on that one. I wish he could have done more, but I think his term was mostly a success.



Really? If you're going to go down that road, then the current guy's heart is only in placating his own ego.

You genuinely don’t think obama was arrogant and placating his own ego as well?

I agree that’s part of it , trump has an ego, but so what? If he gets the job done that’s all I care about. Not if hes modest or cocky

That’s not a pressing issue for me and doesn’t factor into anything.

I don’t see the president as a superhero or rockstar (obama perceived by media and Hollywood). I think that’s a dangerous relationship to have. I equally think being hateful 24/7 and never admitting he can do a single thing right is also a dangerous position - I.e the current one we’re in. Which is eroding the trust in media for more people than it is effective slander to this administration. The Russia stuff was a terrible plan. Many Americans simply don’t care and aren’t baffled hillary isn’t president. Many people hate the Clinton’s and for good reason. They already had their chance and have done enough harm.


I want a president who gets it done. We
don’t have to be best friends

I don’t need late night jimmy kimmel appearances, cute skits, and near unanimous celebrity endorsements. I don’t need my emotions coddled and to be tucked in at night.

That’s just me tho
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This is almost laughable.

You really think whatever pops off in you head is proof that you know liberals?

No I think you should refute what I just posted and prove me otherwise... Instead of making me pretend to care about your “OMG” reactions, which I assure you , I don’t. I don’t think it’s very interesting.

Chick fila phenomenon is hilarious too. Delicious fast food is now the forbidden fruit , according to liberal narrative, because It’s a Christian company. That doesn’t mesh well for Jack Dorsey a satanic male feminist (these people generally but not always have a terrible track record of not respecting women at all through their private actions and masquerading as male feminists to be wolves in sheeps’ clothing) pro BLM pro antifa demon. That’s how the ceo of twitter feels. Look it up. He can’t eat it during pride month without feeling guilt. Even tho chick fila has gay employees and surely accepts any and all gay customers.

Be More outraged about things that aren’t worth being outraged by, or that you weren’t until you were told otherwise ... I don’t think we’ve reached our peak hysteria quite yet.

We’re Getting there but not quite there
 
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I thought we weren't play 'what if's'.

There is nothing to support that net neutrality caused ISP monopolies and/or prevents them from being broken up.
It would be hard to implement a monopoly like that in only 3 years. But we've all seen what a free and open internet is like, and turns out it's like any other free and open market. Customers use their money to choose which companies they will support, and if any company tries to throttle certain services, you can be sure the customers will (and did, whenever it happened) choose someone else. That's the beauty of capitalism, the freedom to choose.
 
What are you talking about?

Please define this 'dictatorial Liberalism' in the USA.

It’s called political correctness and liberal intolerance. If you say something not in line with progressive thinking you are banished to the censorship gulag, labeled a racist, bigot, or homophobe. Your employment is put in jeopardy, your privacy is stripped from you, and you are vilified and bullied on social media. Prime example is the CEO of Twitter having to apologize for eating at a Chick-fil-A in recent days.
 
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Lobbying is the cancer at the heart of all that is wrong in the US.

It's just bare faced corruption.

The ISP's will start slow to go 'see losing NN is no big deal' before steadily throtttling and screwing over consumers and businesses for every dollar.


Lobbying should be illegal - if this **** happened in the UK our politicians would be in prison yet Americans just don't care, you reap what you sow, enjoy your two party oilgarchy.
 
It’s called political correctness and liberal intolerance. If you say something not in line with progressive thinking you are banished to the censorship gulag, labeled a racist, bigot, or homophobe. Your employment is put in jeopardy, your privacy is stripped from you, and you are vilified and bullied on social media. Prime example is the CEO of Twitter having to apologize for eating at a Chick-fil-A in recent days.
You really believe that is true?

Liberals don't care if you are progressive or not.

We just don't want the 'or NOTs' to impose thier values on the rest of the world. True liberals are of the 'live and let live' mold.
 
Fantastic pre-canned talking points handed to you by the media. Bravo. Flawless parroting execution. Jake Tapper and Chris Hayes and Wolf and Joy are all so very proud.

..So what about my larger question about liberals inability to concede Trump’s doing fantastic things for the US economy? And black and Hispanic unemployment? And that matters to most Americans, not Russia scandals that shift in details every day, and “he’s a racist,” and “he tweets mean things” and “I don’t like his face,” and "how dare he disagree with open border globalists Trudeau and Merkel"

I almost thought you were gonna be “the guy” to present facts with talking about how important CA economy is, which is an excellent point but while still offering a differing viewpoint. Then this post happened ^

So whats with these black women loving Trump? Are they just idiots? What is the explanation for this?

Since I happen to be black, I'm not sure what you mean.
While there are some people that are female and black that like him, it's not a plurality.
Talking points? The New York lawsuits are public record.
His comments about "Good People" on both sides is fact.



Also, Look at him holding that black child, and offering relief in Houston when the Hurricane happened last year

this guy either really sucks at being a white supremacist, or he isn't a white supremacist. Idk, not decided yet.

Politicians, do what politicians do.
His business practices and those of his son tell a different story.

...as for referencing "good people," I'm pretty sure you've heard this, and if you haven't I'm delighted to present it to you, but you also may not really care cause it doesn't suit your narrative, so as for saying "good people" he was referring to people that didn't want the statue removed. there were normal, non-neo nazi, non-BLM/Antifa people there that just wanted a civil (not racial or violent) protest-- because history , even ugly history, is being eradicated. and thats not good. good things don't happen when we erase our history, which is a trend happening everywhere right now. it didn't happen under the previous administration either, but now it is a thing, with an arbitrary sense of urgency.

Sorry, those statues were put into place during the early 20th century for the most part.
They were put into place when early civil rights protests were taking place.
The statutes were put into place to exemplify that whites were still in control.
You should read some history about Jim Crow and Black Codes; ie. Apartheid in America.

Trump *NEVER* referred to the solo neo-nazi, or Richard Spencer white nationalist crowd, as good people. He never invited them to the White House (unlike Obama inviting BLM into the WH, many many times who have harmed police-citizen relations, been responsible for riots in Ferguson and Baltimore, and have done nothing to improve quality of life for people with inner city struggle, only exacerbated it)

If he did, I would agree with your assessment of outrage. Genuinely.
...but he didn't, and you rushed to that conclusion

No, I didn't rush to judgement.
He said, and I quote; "good people on both sides".
Sorry, there were no good people in support of keeping those images around.
Since when to we celebrate traitors and murderers of US soldiers.
Remember they are now what we would call separatists and terrorists.

how odd too, BLM and Antifa were also there. it was a cluster of pol organization freaks. and it was on George Soros' birthday too as a small sidenote.. the two organizations he finances.
How very odd.

BLM is not Antifa.
Equating the two shows your lack of knowledge about the history in this country.
Black Lives Matter exists because for more than a century in America, Black Lives Didn't Matter.
We had Apartheid. The Black Codes and Jim Crow; we had Apartheid even if you or others don't want to call it that that.
 
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Be More outraged about things that aren’t worth being outraged by, or that you weren’t until you were told otherwise

I'm an American, I'll be outraged by whatever the **** I want to be outraged by. I didn't care when a bunch a right-wingers burned Dixie Chick CDs, nor do I care when bunch of hippies don't buy fatty chicken sandwiches.

However, I do care about protecting human rights, which this president and his administration have run roughshod over and over again. From blatant night time raids separating families, to bans on travel based on religion, to attacking peaceful protestors, to silencing free speech and media, to police brutality, and so and so forth.

Those are legitimate human rights violations happening in my country, and we're going to hold the current administration accountable. You can continue to foam at the mouth and discredit outrage about chicken burgers while the president tweets about abusing American citizens, but the rest of us have work to do.

An open internet without content gate keepers is an important part of keeping our essential human rights.
 
I'm an American, I'll be outraged by whatever the **** I want to be outraged by. I didn't care when a bunch a right-wingers burned Dixie Chick CDs, nor do I care when bunch of hippies don't buy fatty chicken sandwiches.

However, I do care about protecting human rights, which this president and his administration have run roughshod over and over again. From blatant night time raids separating families, to bans on travel based on religion, to attacking peaceful protestors, to silencing free speech and media, to police brutality, and so and so forth.

Those are legitimate human rights violations happening in my country, and we're going to hold the current administration accountable. You can continue to foam at the mouth and discredit outrage about chicken burgers while the president tweets about abusing American citizens, but the rest of us have work to do.

An open internet without content gate keepers is an important part of keeping our essential human rights.

I welcome you to be more outraged about things not worth being outraged by...

I actually welcome you,

And you are outraged by that post, something that should in all likelihood, be characterized as ‘not worth being outraged by’

The irony is so velvety rich :D

I’m an American too, btw, but didn’t feel the need to preface with that to validate everything I say that follows. Would you like a medal?

And why would you Even think to care about ‘right wingers’ burning Dixie Chick cd’s, dude? What on earth? Is that seriously what’s bothering you?
 
It would be hard to implement a monopoly like that in only 3 years. But we've all seen what a free and open internet is like, and turns out it's like any other free and open market. Customers use their money to choose which companies they will support, and if any company tries to throttle certain services, you can be sure the customers will (and did, whenever it happened) choose someone else. That's the beauty of capitalism, the freedom to choose.
You can't keep ignoring the fact that there aren't any ISP choice for most of the US to switch too.

The choice between a cable ISP and the slow DSL ISP is not a real choice when you need hi-speed internet.
 
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I welcome you to be more outraged about things not worth being outraged by...

I literally welcome you,

And you are outraged by this post.

The irony is so velvety rich

Like that chocolate cake President Trump was eating about while Aleppo was being bombed that he bragged about.

The only outrage you should really be concerned about, IMO, is President Trump's tweet-raging lies. He is the master at outrage (and probably a master to you in other ways...does he personally tell you when to kneel or when not to kneel?)

:D
 
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We have tried it out before and it worked fine. It's back to the way it was for decades prior to when "net neutrality" was passed in 2015.
It wasn't fine. ISPs were already starting to block Netflix and others charging them to get to their customers. There were other changes happening as well. Thats what spurred on the fight for NN in the first place. It worked and the internet went back to normal for a few years. Now we are going to go back to ISPs charging Netflix to get their movies to you. You might not be paying your ISP more but Netflix will have to charge you more to pay their bills. This is going to be bad, but they won't make it bad right off the bat. They will slowly heat the water until we are frog soup.
 
Like that chocolate cake President Trump was eating about while Aleppo was being bombed that he bragged about.

The only outrage you should really be concerned about, IMO, is President Trump's tweet-raging lies. He is the master at outrage (and probably a master to you in other ways...does he personally tell you when to kneel or when not to kneel?)

:D

It always come to back to “he tweets mean things” you see?

Stop validating my points dude ;)

Actually, no, please keep validating my points

Actually, Which one is the correct approach for you? Encouraging or discouraging? I’m lost and want to minimize offensiveness
 
There were instances of blocking under "net neutrality" too. There's also any other cell phone carrier you could haven taken your business to that didn't block Skype. Also the FCC made AT&T stop blocking it. Didn't need neutrality rules to fix the problem.
Yeah you did. They regulated it under title 2 same as they were with net neutrality. They just classified the whole internet under title 2.
 
It always come to back to “he tweets mean things” you see?

Stop validating my points dude ;)

Actually, no, please keep validating my points

Actually, Which one is the correct approach for you? Encouraging or discouraging? I’m lost and want to minimize offensiveness

It always comes back to President Trump's incompetence and violations of human rights and the US constitution, yes.
 
I wanted obama to succeed too, but he didn’t and I knew hoping too much would’ve been a waste of effort.

He certainly succeeded at the things you're currently giving Trump credit for economically. It's very easy to prove that unemployment numbers, economic growth, job growth, corporate profits, and the stock market all improved significantly during Obama's two terms. Does that mean Obama achieved everything or was perfect? No. Wage growth was not so great and continues to be not so great under Trump. Many of the jobs added to the economy were lower wage, which also continues to be the case under Trump. Tuition costs and housing costs continued to be drags on the economy, which is also the case now under Trump. But at least Obama made a reasonable effort to control health care costs and get more people enrolled in health insurance. That's something that has taken a dive under Trump and intentionally so. The current administration has gone out of it's way to throw adults and kids off health care and damage cost controls.
 
"better, faster, cheaper"

Where have I heard that before (aka. Turnbull thinks the same with NBN here)

Like father, like son. Oz and U.S are interlocked in a wresting hold.
 
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