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Glad I switched from Mac back to windows. This is pretty much a joke now. Yay a decent kb. Boo. Little else.

Meanwhile I got an oled screen, 8 core, rtx 2080 laptop.

I do appreciate macOS but it’s dying. The hardware already did.
 
The 4 Thunderbolt 3 port 13" MBP just got its DRAM doubled to 16GB and the base storage doubled for free, it got the latest CPUs and it got the Magic Keyboard, at the same price. And yet the largest complaints here are about bezels and a 14" screen that was a RUMOR. People here need to get a grip.
Like the 16" Macbook Pro, the idea of a 14" screen sounds cool, but just try to notice a third of an inch increase on each side - I can't notice it on the 16" vs 15". I think a 14" would just be mental icing to feel like more of an upgrade.
 
This whole corona thing has helped Apple in terms of avoiding the limelight, they're doing a whole lot of madness behind closed doors. First with a rebranded iPhone 8 and now this.

I hope this dents their pockets. Can't be going around giving people substandard products.

I'll bite, how is the SE substandard? It's a form factor a lot of people prefer with the latest internals....

This MBP isn't the greatest update on the planet, but it's not utterly terrible either, it's mostly a maintenance update on the high end for developers who were holding out for better keyboards, it's likely we'll get a more drastic refresh later in the year. And comparing this update to the new SE is just bananas, for a lot of people the SE is an amazing value, it's a pretty solid device at a good price point.
 
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Whatever you want to call them they were far better than integrated graphics. They were comparable to a dedicated GPU. I don’t know if they were technically considered that but they performed as that

They weren't far better than integrated graphics. They WERE integrated graphics. The difference was that they didnt totally suck like Intels. AMD Radeon integrated graphics on their chips have been far and away better than Intel's for a decade or more.
 
That’s the same config I’m looking at getting for my daughter. $300 less for the Air. I’ll take it! Just ordered through student sales.


I feel better about my 2020 Macbook Air purchase from last week. I was hoping to wait until the MBP was released, but it looks like the MBA is (still) the better choice for me as an average user. I would've needed to spend at least $300 more to get the 10th CPU based on my final config (i5/16GB/512GB).
 
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I feel better about my 2020 Macbook Air purchase from last week. I was hoping to wait until the MBP was released, but it looks like the MBA is (still) the better choice for me as an average user. I would've needed to spend at least $300 more to get the 10th CPU based on my final config (i5/16GB/512GB).

Same, I went with the i7/16/512 and was wondering if a MBP update would make me regret it, definitely feel better now.
 
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Who needs sustained load across all cores on a laptop? o_O

Nobody. People need good battery life, they need a good screen, they need a good keyboard, they need good speakers.

Nobody purchases a laptop to run sustained workloads across all cores. If someone needs sustained workloads across a bunch of cores, go use Google Compute Engine or Amazon EC2 to run your workloads, it's way cheaper and more performant than a MacBook.

"Nobody"? Come on.

In the real world outside whatever rarified geek circles in which people use "Google Compute Engine" or "Amazon EC2" -- content creators buy Macs (shocker) to edit photos, audio and video, not use them as glorified terminals. So, you know, they need decent specs on the actual machines they're working on.
 
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Then tell me which Intel-based 13” MacBook Pro has ever had a discrete GPU? Go to the Mac Tracker app, it makes things easier. The NVIDIA 9400M and 320M weren’t dGPU solutions and after NVIDIA ditched chipsets, Apple was SOL. Sorry, you are in possession of incorrect information.

That seems fairly nitpicky. You're technically right that the 9400M and 320M doubled as a chipset.

"NVIDIA ditched chipsets" is also… kind of a one-sided view of what happened. Intel refused to offer SKUs without their own chipset, really.
 
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That’s funny, because before today the base model had the same generation Intel chips as the 4tb models.
Same generation, but lower wattage. Now the higher end model has the next-generation chips. However, Apple has done this before, as recently as 2018 when they updated the 4tb model but not the 2tb model.
 
Disappointed.
I expected at least Wifi 6 and the smaller bezels since that was to be expected after the MBP16 reveal.

I've been waiting for years for a proper update to my MBA 2015. First the non-trustworthy keyboard, then the joke with 7W CPUs, now again very little progress with the MBP, too.

So I'll wait longer. If Apple doesn't want my money, fine by me.
This is a stop-gap update to hold over the line as the only real hardware change was to finally get the butterfly keyboard totally off the reservation. Sure, the high end configuration received the new CPU but other than that, it's just bumping the minimums on the SSD. Updates like this are relatively short-lived (in Apple terms, that is) until the bigger update comes around.
 
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Well ****. Quad cores in 2020... when we could have six, or eight... great... so it’s like... slightly faster than my 2018... probably still runs hot, loud, and slow... Well they’re not getting my money with this Intel “10th gen” hot garbage.

Well this seals the deal for me, Apple’s going ARM. Otherwise the decision to stick with Intel when far better options exist from AMD makes no sense.

AMD is not a top selection for Apple, Dell, HP, or Lenovo on their top pro models. Why?
Shipping Volume!
- AMD still cannot ship 100's of thousands of non-defective units to them ALL in the same time fram. for gaming models sure as those don't even come close to selling the volume that enterprise models or professional/consumer models use. It's like AMD fans are spec sheet readers and fans of a Dodge Viper and state it's super fast on a drag strip - which may suit that need. yet on a track the viper is garbage (turns, braking reliability and stopping power, fuel consumption, etc). Spec sheet raving is nice ... but when it comes to daily use and multiple use cases AMD is not quite there yet. Not everyone just wants to game or game 60% of their daily use on their laptop.

Furthermore the heat use of your 13"MBP would also be affected using a similarly spec'd AMD quad-core cpu. 14" not much better unless side vents like the 16" would be implemented.

For now this is a good move by Apple ... save the manufacturing tooling and fab production costs for a new chipset and chip down the road.
 
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$1799 and it wasn't even an option last week. The $1799 model in an incredible value. It would be great if people could realize that, but not this crowd.

No doubt, but some workloads don’t need a high end gpu or cpu but do need every chip of ram one can fit in it.

My MBP is bottlenecked to death on 16 GB.
 
I feel so sorry for guys who jumped on the 2016 thinking they were going to be future proof with their all USB-C laptops, they ended up with the bad keyboards models and USB-A is still the standard and USB-C is the niche. Thats what you get when you drink the Apple Kool-Aid I guess.

"Magic" keyboard...wow, it works like a regular keyboard and does not malfunction...just like magic! What a brand name🤣 🤣 🤣

There is no use of this 80% improvement in graphics,don't get fooled. I got a MBP 13 with integrated GPU and its a piece of junk when it comes to graphics. You want graphics buy a model with GPU card. Even then I am not sure how it will fare in those slim cases.
 
Whatever you want to call them they were far better than integrated graphics. They were comparable to a dedicated GPU. I don’t know if they were technically considered that but they performed as that
In other words, you were too lazy to go look it up like I did and are basing your reply on the facts I stated because you don't want to admit you are wrong.
 
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I have the same 2018 i5 as you, as my personal MBP. I also have a 2019 i5 as my work computer. I personally don't have any issues with either keyboard, but I imagine it's frustrating.

I think you're better off sticking with it, in expectation of an ARM processor. My 2018 and 2019 "feel" the same to me, and I can't imagine today's 2020 being substantially different in performance. But, I have high hopes an ARM model with provide tangible performance and features, even if there's some x86 trade-offs (I'll deal).

I'd really *like* to keep it and wait for the ARM model, but it definitely gets old having to send it in for a keyboard replacement every "x" number of months!
 
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They weren't far better than integrated graphics. They WERE integrated graphics. The difference was that they didnt totally suck like Intels. AMD Radeon integrated graphics on their chips have been far and away better than Intel's for a decade or more.
Again we’re trying to split hairs but they were far better than Intel integrated graphics. That’s a fact. Just like dedicated GPUs are far better than Intel integrated graphics today. You can keep on trying to walk around the subject but it doesn't change the facts
 
I’m still using my 2012 15 inch Retina MBP with scissor switch keyboard, quad core, 512 GB SSD, and 16 GB of RAM, a lot of ports, MagSafe, and no touchbar (preferred).

Amazing to see how far Apple has come in 8 years... /sarcasm
 
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