New 13-Inch MacBook Pro Announced With Magic Keyboard, 10th-Gen Processors, Up to 32GB RAM and 4TB SSD, and More

[Spectrum]

Even though the max turbo speed is lower, it will still be faster since it is using Icelake cores which are faster between 33-38 percent at the same processor speed. So it will probably be around 16 percent faster on a single core max turbo. You can read more from Anandtech's Icelake testing: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14664/testing-intel-ice-lake-10nm/4

Where do you get the 33-38% increase? This isn't between 10th and 8th gen, surely? That seems way too high an improvement in IPC for two generations.


EDIT: Indeed check the graph:

Quote from Anandtech: "This graph shows the single thread performance of Skylake and beyond, compared to 5th Gen Broadwell hardware. Right at the very end, we see Whiskey Lake performing +42% above Broadwell, and Ice Lake performing +47% above Broadwell. A quick calculation of 1.47/1.42 means that even Intel is only predicting an absolute gain of ~3.5% for Ice Lake over current generation systems."

Which (all else being equal) means that you'd need ~4.5 Ghz 10th gen to match a 4.7 Ghz 8th gen.

 

[ooh456]

A passive cooled air with a peak all core clock of like 1.5Ghz?

Yeah, no. The 28w 13” chassis is actually equipped with proper cooling.

I see a ton of complaining from people here who frankly have no idea what they are talking about spec wise.

I am developer running IntelliJ and the touch bar makes me puke. Plus the chassis is more modern. That's why. The price on a machine is irrelevant (to me). Plus it does have a fan (although not next to the CPU... but still). There are a few developers out there that still run Mac despite Apple's effort at completely alienating them. Those people hate touch bars. I've talked to plenty of them and I am one of them. They ruin the experience of the machine.

 

[cenren]

Apparently, a non-TouchBar option is not available anymore 😖 I had my hopes up that I would finally be able to get an updated MBP with physical function keys.
I was also hoping for 14 inch screen size. I feel 13 is too small and 15" form factor is not portable enough. 14" is the sweet spot!
And for heaven's sake Apple, make the headphone port the port that is closest to the user! Otherwise, the headphone cord will definitely get tangled in the usb-c cables situated in between the headphone jack and the user. And finally, the headphone jack belongs on the left side; the side that the entire headphone industry has standardized on. If a headphone is going to go down one side it's always the left side. But I guess we're all supposed to be totally assimilated with AirPods by now 😑

 

[albeedelacruz]

Where's the "Pro" in this Macbook? This should have been marketed as Macbook Basic

 

[TravelsInBlue]

I feel so sorry for guys who jumped on the 2016 thinking they were going to be future proof with their all USB-C laptops, they ended up with the bad keyboards models and USB-A is still the standard and USB-C is the niche. Thats what you get when you drink the Apple Kool-Aid I guess.

"Magic" keyboard...wow, it works like a regular keyboard and does not malfunction...just like magic! What a brand name🤣 🤣 🤣

There is no use of this 80% improvement in graphics,don't get fooled. I got a MBP 13 with integrated GPU and its a piece of junk when it comes to graphics. You want graphics buy a model with GPU card. Even then I am not sure how it will fare in those slim cases.

Being totally serious, this is the truest post I've ever read on this forum.

 

[KPOM]

Only Apple could market a two year old laptop at $1299 as new. Even the MacBook Air has a tenth generation quad core starting at $1099 and the Dell XPS has slimmer bezels, 10th gen and WiFi 6 for $1199. I don’t understand what they are doing with the 13-inch MacBook Pro.

The Air’s processor is slower in CPU-intensive tasks (look at the 40+ page thread about people trying hacks to squeeze a little bit more performance from it). The 8th-gen chip in the base 13” Pro is about twice as fast in CPU-intensive tasks. The 10th-gen 15W chip is a little bit faster, but not significantly. It does add the ability to drive a 6K display, though.

The Dell XPS base model has a 1080p screen. It does have nice dimensions, and Wi-Fi 6 is nice. However, my guess is that Apple’s focus is on the ARM transition (with perhaps a separate 14” final Intel update later this year). Hence they just gave the current 28W models a spec bump, and lowered the prices and fixed the keyboards across the board. Apple has higher profit margins than Dell. We all know that. But it isn’t as if Apple is way overpriced.

 

[chucker23n1]

Can someone tell me what the likely benefits of an ARM processor would be? Would it enable specs/features that aren't possible with an Intel processor? I'm trying to determine whether to wait for the ARM model or go ahead and buy this and say goodbye to the Butterfly keyboard (good riddance!).

Never wait for a product that hasn't been announced, unless the current available products absolutely don't fulfill your needs.

Right now, a good bang for the buck:

• the MacBook Air (especially the middle CPU option: for $100 more, you get four cores)
• the $1799-and-up 13-inch MacBook Pro
• the $2399-and-up 16-inch MacBook Pro

Not so great a bang for the buck: the lower-end 13-inch MacBook Pro configs. You're probably better off with an Air, or to spend more on a $1799 Pro.

 

[russell_314]

Both those chipsets also used part of the system DRAM (256MB for both) for video and did not have their own dedicated graphics memory.

This does not change the fact that they are better than Intel integrated graphics. We can rehash the specs all day but my point is the MacBook Pro needs to offer a better option than Intel integrated graphics like they did in the past.

 

[KPOM]

I feel so sorry for guys who jumped on the 2016 thinking they were going to be future proof with their all USB-C laptops, they ended up with the bad keyboards models and USB-A is still the standard and USB-C is the niche. Thats what you get when you drink the Apple Kool-Aid I guess.

"Magic" keyboard...wow, it works like a regular keyboard and does not malfunction...just like magic! What a brand name🤣 🤣 🤣

There is no use of this 80% improvement in graphics,don't get fooled. I got a MBP 13 with integrated GPU and its a piece of junk when it comes to graphics. You want graphics buy a model with GPU card. Even then I am not sure how it will fare in those slim cases.

Almost every non-Apple phone uses USB-C now. And my desktop monitor is USB-C, connected to my work HP-notebook through the HP Thunderbolt dock.

 

[DummyFool]

Hey come on here. We are not thrashing Intel enough. They are delaying the introduction of our new Macs. Me, I love Apple because they THINK DIFFERENT! We will not be the first to use Intel's new chip, we will not be the last to use Intel's new chip (already done that, not radical enough), we will be the first and only one to release a new laptop with a chip that is already 2 years old and make a ton of money with it. Hot rumor just coming ***Apple is planning a new late 2021 Macbook with an 8th gen cpu and a magic TFT LCD screen***

 

[KPOM]

Never wait for a product that hasn't been announced, unless the current available products absolutely don't fulfill your needs.

Right now, a good bang for the buck:

• the MacBook Air (especially the middle CPU option: for $100 more, you get four cores)
• the $1799-and-up 13-inch MacBook Pro
• the $2399-and-up 16-inch MacBook Pro

Not so great a bang for the buck: the lower-end 13-inch MacBook Pro configs. You're probably better off with an Air, or to spend more on a $1799 Pro.

The base 13” Pro is considerably faster than the 13” Air at CPU-intensive tasks. But I agree that if you are a heavy user of CPU-intensive software, the $1799 model is worthy of consideration.

 

[Emanuel Rodriguez]

Two days ago:
8th gen 1TB/16GB 2.8/4.7Ghz i7 MBpro = $2699
Now:
10th gen 1TB/16GB 2.3/4.1Ghz i7 MBpro = $2199

That is a massive price drop...but the question now is:
The single core turbo boost is a huge drop (~15%) from the 8th gen 4.7 to 10th gen 4.1Ghz
Thoughts?

I've got the original 2.7GHz 8th-gen, and I'm really on the fence about this. I want the better keyboard, but I don't understand why they didn't upgrade the Wi-Fi, and there's a question of whether or not they'll include better processors in this down the road. The options are extremely limited at the moment. Why only quad-core?

A part of me thinks that they're trying to keep the Intel-based MacBooks back a bit so that the ARM-based ones look even more impressive than they otherwise would.

Might make sense to just wait for ARM at this point, but I'm hopeful we'll see the higher-end mobile chips in this soon.

 

[satchmo]

Someone else can wait and be a guinea pig for ARM or ultra-slim bezels or whatever they are cooking up next — I won’t be buying “cutting edge” from Apple when my livelihood depends on it.

Fine. Except ultra-slim (or even just slim) bezels is not very cutting edge.

 

[Ghost31]

Where has Prosser been over the years? Him Being 100% correct as a leaker, so far, has been refreshing

Wasn’t he the one that also said final cut is definitely coming to iPad?

 

[thadoggfather]

Wasn’t he the one that also said final cut is definitely coming to iPad?

correct.

that's probably going to come in an announcement later this year.

 

[Zdigital2015]

This does not change the fact that they are better than Intel integrated graphics. We can rehash the specs all day but my point is the MacBook Pro needs to offer a better option than Intel integrated graphics like they did in the past.

Nice deflection. You do know the 9400M and 320M are over 10 years old, so pretty sure the Iris Plus iGPUs blows them out of the water, but I digress.

Intel's Gen 11 GPUs are much improved over Iris Plus 645 or 655 and the Xe iGPU will be even better.

A dGPU is fine as long as you are good with a thicker and bigger 13" MBP because it needs a bigger battery and more space for a GPU and VRAM along with heat pipes to cool it. Oh, and getting Apple to agree to that.

Next, I expect you'll be talking craziness about Apple using NVIDIA GPUs. Again, I digress.

 

[kkng]

So if I got this right..

I get a 10th Gen Intel i3/i5 with the MBA for LESS money, but can't make use of the full potential, because of bad thermal design/semi-passive cooling.

But I get a 8th Gen Intel i5 for MORE money with the 13" MBP, which could've made use of the potential of the 10th Gen, due to a more or less proper thermal solution. And on top of that I can't get 16 GB of RAM and the 10th Gen CPU without paying more than 2k. But even worse than that, you only get more than 2 ports if you pay those 2k.

Is this a joke?

With my old MacBook Air slowing down right now, I'm seriously considering to switch over to Windows laptops. I love MacOS but this doesn't make sense anymore. I can get a well-built Win laptop with 1 TB SSD, proper cooling, 16 GB RAM for around 1k. And can even swap some components if needed.

 

[Kabeyun]

you're referring to the $1799+ models. that are 10th generation.

I am referring to the sub-$1799 models. that are 8th generation.

I'm not pulling any smoke and mirrors here.

It’s simple. I’m comparing current model MBA and MBP with the same i7 quad core processors. I’m expecting the MBP to edge the MBA on benchmarks because it’s clocked faster, but again I doubt it will make a dramatic difference to the end user. That’s been my point since you jumped in. If you have those benchmarks fine, but I doubt you do since the MPB went on sale this morning. If you want to post outdated comparisons or comparisons not relevant to my post or to real parity, have at it, but that’s neither relevant to what I was talking about nor a fair comparison.

 

[Zdigital2015]

But it isn’t as if Apple is way overpriced.

Look at you tempting the wrath of the Devil's minions!

 

[AnnoyedCarrot]

No iMac news?

 

[jostermacedo]

Others venders are doing it for laptops even smaller. Keep up with the times.

yes. I have a Lenovo 8-core at work. The fans never stop and the battery is just an UPS as it does not last more than 1 hour and 30 minutes. I wish I could use my Macbook Pro at work.

 

[Spungoflex]

Same generation, but lower wattage. Now the higher end model has the next-generation chips. However, Apple has done this before, as recently as 2018 when they updated the 4tb model but not the 2tb model.

You need to spend $2,400 CAD to get a Macbook Pro with a current gen Intel chip. You simply can't defend that, as hard as you might try. It's a farce.

$1,700 only gets you an 8th gen chip. Unreal. The Dell XPS comes with 10th gen i5, same RAM, same SSD, much better design... for $50 less (at FULL price - they are constantly on sale).

 

[Icaras]

No mention of WiFi 6, no 14”....😭

Wow, you’re right. Not even Wi-Fi 6. What kind of a refresh is this?

 

[russell_314]

Nice deflection. You do know the 9400M and 320M are over 10 years old, so pretty sure the Iris Plus iGPUs blows them out of the water, but I digress.

Intel's Gen 11 GPUs are much improved over Iris Plus 645 or 655 and the Xe iGPU will be even better.

A dGPU is fine as long as you are good with a thicker and bigger 13" MBP because it needs a bigger battery and more space for a GPU and VRAM along with heat pipes to cool it. Oh, and getting Apple to agree to that.

Next, I expect you'll be talking craziness about Apple using NVIDIA GPUs. Again, I digress.

Okay let me be clearer. It was superior to integrated graphics of the time just like a dedicated GPU of today is superior to integrated graphics of today. It's nice that you feel that it's good enough for the current MacBook Pro graphics is better than one from a decade ago 😂😂

 

[ArmouredBear]

Can you explain to me what exactly you want from the WiFi 6 standard for your home?

Higher speeds, better battery life.

What Is Wi-Fi 6? (802.11ax)

You can never have too much bandwidth.

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