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New 13-Inch MacBook Pro Announced With Magic Keyboard, 10th-Gen Processors, Up to 32GB RAM and 4TB SSD, and More
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Are they kidding me? How come two entry MBP still using 8th gen???
I can't speak for any of the other people who commented earlier on but perhaps some of us are just really passionate about the Mac and really frustrated with Apple's choices in recent years (yes I/we know where the door is.)
I'll admit I wrote that post more to let off steam with Apple than anything else so maybe it was difficult to understand but if you truly think I don't know what I'm talking about I'd argue it's you who is out of touch...
The majority of mainstream tech outlets have covered how AMD Ryzen 4000 based notebooks offers better CPU and GPU performance as well as better battery life than Intel's Coffee and Ice Lake.
Also, I personally use Ryzen 3000 daily on macOS and get better performance than I would from anything other than a $7000+ Mac Pro. I've also used a variety of Intel based macs and hackintosh's and can tell you the 13" 2018 MBP's performance (i've tested more than one) really isn't where I'd expect a 4C/8T/Iris GPU machine to be (despite Apple telling me there was nothing wrong with those machines.)
I will admit I did forget just how much better Ice Lake's GPU is. so that's something. At least graphics performance will be a nice step up over the 2019/2019 8th gen models even if CPU (and GPU) performance trail the competition.
I mean... yeah if you look at reviews of laptops based on AMD's Ryzen 4000 series chips... Yeah, four cores looks pretty anemic in 2020.
If you have evidence of this I'd love to see it. If AMD can source enough chips for the Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X this fall I have a really hard time believing they can't source enough chips to feed Apple's Mac lineup.
Also, although I do game it certainly doesn't make up the majority of my usage. Most of my time on the computers is spent doing office type productivity tasks, photo editing or video encoding and I can tell you AMD Ryzen 3000's performance certainly isn't all talk (spec sheet.)
Anyway, I don't necessarily disagree with your final conclusion. If Apple's planning to switch to ARM (it better be good damnit) then avoiding doing even the minimal work it would take to optimize macOS for Ryzen doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
I'm sure these post makes it look like I'm an AMD fanboy, but really I'm just sick and tired of feeling like the Mac is an afterthought and I'm paying today's prices for yesterdays tech...
At least the butterfly keyboard's gone (although I'm actually kinda used to rev 3 now...), I'll admit that's a nice if long overdue improvement
I bet the thinner bezels 14” didn’t/won’t happen because the side bezels are already thin and Apple doesn’t want to chop off the top bezel which would reduce the palm rest area for typing, nor do they want to change the aspect ratio of the screen, nor increase the size of the entire laptop.
With the 15” to 16” transition, being the bigger, more “pro” laptop, I guess keeping the same overall size wasn’t as much of a priority, so it got bigger. And being bigger than the 13”, they had more room to work with for the palm rest area.
With the 15” to 16” transition, being the bigger, more “pro” laptop, I guess keeping the same overall size wasn’t as much of a priority, so it got bigger. And being bigger than the 13”, they had more room to work with for the palm rest area.
Yup, I'm in the same boat. I'll wait to see if they release anything more impressive this year, but if not, I might be an early-adopter for the ARM-based MacBook Pro in 2021 (I know it's a risk, but this 2018 keyboard is killing me).
The iMac has a lot more space and also still has a ****** 720p camera, since 2011 so not sure that's the only reason.
for development, more memory the better - 16gb.
You’d get by with an i5. How long do you think you’ll keep this machine? That’s another consideration for CPU.
Pain and suffering, most likely, but Panos Panay sure can do a mean Phill impression.
As for me, I love the smaller form factor of 13 (or 14) vs 16. But until they put a real GPU in there , it's a no buy.
I know they keep telling us that it's up to 100% better than last one. They are talking Intel built in video. 100% better then crap is still crap.
I know they keep telling us that it's up to 100% better than last one. They are talking Intel built in video. 100% better then crap is still crap.
When I got my 1st MacBook it came with 2GB of RAM, and I then added 8GB to it. I had thing thing for 10 years.
I’m wondering if I should get a 13 inch pro and put 32GB of RAM since I am stuck with what I buy.
I never thought I would like the MacBook Air, but I do now, just not sure 16GB of RAM will be good in 4-5 years.
Apple sure phoned it in for this one and I honestly can't blame them all that much. Looks pretty clear Apple doesn't really care much about Intel-powered computers anymore, probably because they're putting their efforts towards ARM machines (which I think is a good thing).
You can upgrade the base $1,500 model from a 1.4 GHz quad-core to a 1.7 GHz quad-core, both 8th gen processors, for $300. Why wouldn't you just spend $1,800 for the model with 4 USB type C ports and a 2 GHz quad-core 10th gen chip?
Comments about the value of various options make a good point. Yes with some configurations you are getting more computer for less compared to last year's offerings. But with the natural progression of technology, a year later the "value" of the hardware compared to what is available is less anyway. Paying 100-200$ less for 512gb of hard drive space, 16GB of RAM or a mid range quad core CPU (even if it's 10th generation) is hardly value, those hardware options have been available for years!
For many buyers who don't upgrade every few years, mid-range value is not at all a consideration. 200-300$ in the scheme of a 2500$ laptop to get optimal specifications is a no-brainer, especially if you're keeping your system for 3-5 years and pushing it to its limits. Apple used to be the leader in hardware innovation which is why I jumped ship from the tacky Windows laptops. It's frustrating that Apple has given up on the 13" rBMP which is the perfect form factor for many. It has demonstrated with the MBA and the 16" that it knows HOW to innovate, it has just chosen not to with the 13".
Dell went from 6 core back to 4 core for their XPS 13. There's no ice lake 6 core yet in this power envelope...
Hi all, first post here.
I like many here, am a tad underwhelmed. I was really hoping for the bezel reduction and Face ID (for some reason). I am however, using a late 2017 MBP with 8gb ram and 128gb storage with a dual 2.3 i5. So suffice to say, it's time for an upgrade but i'm conflicted. It sounds like in the very near future (this Fall?) the updates everyone's rumored may in fact, come to fruition. So my question is, since nothing is confirmed, and this current release would undoubtedly be a boost, is it worth sinking into today's release? I suppose this is a bit subjective though *shrug*
(For what it's worth i'd be purchasing the 2.3 i7 w/ 16gb ram/512gb SSD)
Thanks!
I like many here, am a tad underwhelmed. I was really hoping for the bezel reduction and Face ID (for some reason). I am however, using a late 2017 MBP with 8gb ram and 128gb storage with a dual 2.3 i5. So suffice to say, it's time for an upgrade but i'm conflicted. It sounds like in the very near future (this Fall?) the updates everyone's rumored may in fact, come to fruition. So my question is, since nothing is confirmed, and this current release would undoubtedly be a boost, is it worth sinking into today's release? I suppose this is a bit subjective though *shrug*
(For what it's worth i'd be purchasing the 2.3 i7 w/ 16gb ram/512gb SSD)
Thanks!
The low power hexacores just suck. Such low base and boost clocks.
I was going to buy a NUC 10 for the hexa option, but my NUC 8 quad is pretty much as powerful, with much higher single core burst.
Everyone seems to think more cores = automatically better. I'd rather have stronger cores and higher all core clocks within the thermal envelope vs a bunch of useless low power cores that will only see use 1% of the time.
If you like half baked things that sort of work, great idea.
I'd sooner just run Ubuntu + Budgie.
Don't worry, the 10/11th Gen Intel mobile cpu's in the 45 watt TDP profile are all STILL going to be on 14nm++++ process, in other words still about the same in true real world performance. The only upgrade is going to be Wifi6.My 16-inch MBP processor has just become outdated...
Kidding, it's an 8-core i9.
It's just not the latest (10th) generation.
It depends on how badly you need an upgrade.
The situation you find yourself in is exactly why I do not buy entry or mid level configurations. Your 2017 configuration with 128gb of storage and 8gb RAM is severely limited compared even to my 6 year old 2013 13" retina MBP with 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage running a 2.4ghz dual core i7. And that wasn't even the maximum storage space at the time. You have purchased two 1500$ laptops in the time I purchased a single 2300$ laptop with the added labor of having to migrate everything over. It depends on how you see value.
If the 14" form factor, Wifi 6 and full HD Facetime camera aren't important to you, today's upgrade with the 10th gen, 16 or 32GB of higher speed RAM and 4 TB ports is likely to prove reasonably future proof. I personally don't care about ARM processors, but if that's important to you then hold off.