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New 13-Inch MacBook Pro Announced With Magic Keyboard, 10th-Gen Processors, Up to 32GB RAM and 4TB SSD, and More
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And UHD graphics and a lower resolution screen than a MacBook Air. There is no free lunch. And, as you’ll notice, a fairly high MSRP, albeit discounted. The 13” Pro is already discounted, so of course we will see lower actual prices, though not as steep discounts as from Dell.
That $500 Dell laptop likely has a very slow 10th generation processor.
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I want a 16" without discrete graphics. External monitor heaven, at least for general purpose use.
Geez, it's like Apple is messing with my idea of my next Mac laptop! Should I go with the 1.1 GHz quad-core i5 MacBook Air with the RAM bumped up to 16 GB, or for an extra hundred dollars go for the new 1.4 GHz quad-core i5 MacBook Pro with the RAM similarly bumped up to 16 GB? I don't shoot 4K video (yet at least) and I don't play intensive games on a laptop, and the Air looks adequate enough for my purposes, but with the Pro I get a bit of extra processing power and that Touch Bar, which while it's different I assume I'd get used to it fairly quickly (as I did with the multi-touch trackpad on 2008-present MacBooks.) And I do want a Mac laptop that'll support the latest operating systems for a fairly long time, since my 2012 quad-core Mac Mini is currently classified by Apple as "vintage" hardware and may not support MacOS 10.16 once that comes out, but I can still use the Mini as my main desktop and also have a laptop with MacOS 10.16 and above!
On their site, Apple lists two different integrated graphics for the 2 Thunderbolt (Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645) and 4 Thunderbolt (Intel Iris Plus Graphics). Are they actually different or is this a mistake? If they are different, does anyone know what the difference is?
I don’t dispute that you spend $200 more for a Mac than a Windows PC with comparable specs.That’s Apple’s business model. But you do get an OS with all the networking capabilities (no “Home vs Pro editions”), a very capable productivity suite (Pages, Numbers, Keynote), good technical support, a year of Apple TV, and high quality screens that outperform their “paper” specs. And MacBooks have best in class trackpads. Nothing else comes close.
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The “Iris Plus” graphics on the higher end models no longer have a numeric destination but are an upgrade from the base model. More shaders, etc.
You're right. Still a pain to turn in your computer for repair. (And then there’s the question of the keyboard feel, which I personally dislike but you may have other feelings about it.)
In Australia the high end MBA and the low end MBP cost exactly the same. You get 256Gb less storage, but otherwise all other specs are better.
AMD doesn't have a supply issue. TSMC provides AMD as they do Apple. With Apple, AMD goes to the front of the line. Apple gets first dibs with iPhone on TSMC fabs and will with AMD designs for Apple.
AMD chips are less expensive in bulk [never mind on retail when again they are less expensive and more powerful, thus been driving Intel's consumer pricing downward, not upward] than Intel.
Pick what's important. I don't think most people know UHD vs Iris Plus or what the advantage is and the screens on the XPS are some of the best. They do know what 1TB of SSD over 256GB, and that they want 16GB of DDR4 memory instead of 8GB of DDR3. You're right, no free lunch, but there isn't much in that Dell XPS 9300 that anyone wouldn't want.
And, that $500 Dell has the Intel® Core™ i5-1035G1 Processor, 6M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz -- same as this Dell XPS 9300.
Too bad I can't try out both. I may have to wait until things return back to normal to try it out in a store because going through return processes could be annoying.
Can you post the link? Those same users won’t notice the difference between the 8th gen and 10th gen chips either.
Anyway the MBP has a higher resolution screen in the base model and is one of the highest rated in the industry.
My point is that Dell also charges premium prices for notebooks with overall specs comparable to the new MacBook Pros.
I’m not dunking on Dell. The XPS 13 is a nice computer. It’s also priced accordingly.
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Dell wants $600 for this dual core i3 with 4GB of RAM.
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I agree. Is it not possible to get the
The bolded part is the heart of your argument and I, just don't agree with that contention. That is a huge assumption to make. The assumption that Apple will get 1st choice access to AMD CPUs. I think Apple is more focused on ARM-based Macs and I think their future (5-10 years from now) laptop lineup will contain exclusively ARM CPUs. No Intel, no AMD.
I would have bought the Air if it wasn't for the heat issues....
Intel’s ARK doesn’t specify the number of PCI-E lanes available on the i5-1035G7. That might have been why Apple couldn’t use it if there aren’t enough lanes. Other than that, it is the same list price as the i5-8257U so it wasn’t likely price unless Intel gave Apple a real deal on the Coffee Lake part.
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The biggest problem when comparing the MacBook Air 2020 is it overheats due to the heat pipe not being attached to the fan. The 8th Gen Core i5 1.4GHz will smoke the MBA under load for time as the MBP low end can spin its fan and reduce heat almost immediately. The MBA fan spins, but nothing happens. There’s almost no point in having a fan in the MBA. So yes the scores may seem like the MBA us capable, but it’s really a nightmare for any heavy app usage. There are some videos showing it on YouTube. The MBA heats up to 100 degrees Celsius and the fan spins up. It never cools down so the whole machine just throttles.The highest MBA 2020 scores on the Geekbench 5 browser for Single/Multicore is: 1101 / 2840 respectively, while the MBP 13” scores 1105 / 4200 ~ and that’s with a 2019 Intel Core i7-8569U @ 2.8 GHz (4 cores). Sure there is room for variable error but in the real world the real takeaway would be continuous heavy loads (I hope). What we cannot yet see is the new iGPU performance which Apple claims is 40% better with Adobe Photoshop.
Bluetooth 5.0 is just fine ... not much else to gain with Bluetooth 5.1 that you'd really use with today's smartphones, headphones (esp Apple's ecosystem). 802.11ax would be nice yet I'm betting not a lot of people or public Wi-Fi or corporations upgraded their APs using this new tech as of yet. A wild guess.
Biggest takeaways are ...
Keyboard - a working and reliable one!
10th gen i5/i7 cpus, with 8MB shared L3 cache on the i7 chip (vs 6MB on the older models)
Hold UP: ... the 2020 Air has this same option on the i7 chip as well :O
The Air's page specifically minimizes talk of the i7 chip, almost to hide the value!!
4 Thunderbolt connections vs 2.
I'm not certain about the screen pixels though between the two.
Although similarly spec'd 2020 Air is cheaper than the 13" Pro ... somehow under high demand or rigorous testing the Pro may fare better. I hope.
Now ... released on May 4th ... May the 4TH Be with You Mac-a-lites in case you make the wrong decision lol.
Also ... did the Air marketing team steal an idea for their landing page from Nike's Air Jordan 4 launch?
Specs are not everything. And less than 1% of people have WiFi 6, so not a big deal there. For a low end MBP, it now has a kickass Magic Keyboard, an Escape Key, and 256GB base. The higher end starts with 512GB, has better 10nm CPU, better iGPU, faster RAM and up to 32GB of it, faster storage with up to 4TB of it. And all of the MBP models have far superior display technology, color reproduction, brighter, and etc. It weighs less than .23lbs more.
I would say the only two things the MBA does better are subjective. 1. The angle of the design allows better typing. 2. There is no awful TouchBar screwing up one’s workflow.
I still think it comes down to if one wants to use this for Netflix, Microsoft Office, and a few photo edits, the MBA will work well. Just don’t connect an external monitor at 4K or use Chrome as it will overheat.
If one wants to do some 4K editing at a much slower pace, the base MBP will work. If one wants to do more intensive workloads, the higher end 13” MBP seems better. And if one wants to look at a bigger screen and do actual professional computer workflow, the 16” MBP is the obvious choice. Not trying to bash on any “professional” user discussing professional computer workflow. Example: someone who uses Adobe Premiere Pro to edit movies in 4K for a living and people whose time is of the essence.
For me my time was valuable until I started typing this awful response which has easily wasted eight or ten minutes of my life. I guess if just three people say it helped then, it will be worth it????
Good luck everyone. Stay safe out there.
Agreed, Tim Cook does not care if the product is having any flaws and that's against the philosophy of developing great product at Apple.
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Unlike Apple Macbook Pro, it is user-replaceable M.2 NVMe on XPS 13 without forcing the customer to pay upfront for an upgrade.
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Count me in as one of the three. I totally agree with everything you said. Which is why I did an RMA on our new 2020 i5/16/512 Air this morning and ordered a new 13 MBP. The display on the 2020 Air was surprisingly blah the machine didn’t feel particularly substantial. I know the Air is all about portability but I liked my original Air way better. I loved my original Air. Also I didn’t like the keyboard on the 2020 Air. I write for a living and assumed I would especially like the keyboard on the new Air but it was as blah as the display. Given I’ll be using it for a few years the extra cost of the new higher end 13 MBP was worth it ($1899 w education discount).
I think this issue is a little overblown. It makes sense to me, marketing-wise, that the Pro is more able to handle heavy workflows than the Air.
But I increasingly feel like the next major version of Geekbench needs to add another score that represents the relative drop-off of performance after perhaps 1 minute, 10 minutes, 60 minutes, respectively.
The 15W TDP in the 8257U and 8557U of the Pro seems to be just enough more compared to the 9/10W TDP in the 100NG4/1030NG7/1060NG7 to allow it to sustain load for a longer amount of time. This does show a little in the multi-core scores: while Ice Lake is ~6% better at single-core, Coffee Lake is ~40% better at multi-core despite the same amount of cores.
Due to techniques like Turbo Boost / Thermal Velocity Boost, Fusion, big.LITTLE, we're increasingly seeing scenarios where raw single- and multi-core numbers primarily tell the story for short bursts, not the one for sustained loads. On the other extreme, an the base-model iMac Pro has worse CPU results than the top-end iMac despite costing about a grand more at a vaguely comparable config, but I wouldn't be surprised if, in sustained usage, it wins.
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I'll note that the Pro you've just ordered will have basically the same keyboard.
Also, we really don't know that much about its performance and thermals at this point. The CPUs are previously unannounced parts.
Agree with this. Average going price on ebay for my current MBP is around 800 bucks, but Apple offered me 4 when I just checked. That's more than a little insulting.
I can (barely) see the arguments for having an SD slot, e.g. it being the same slot as on digital cameras. So you can exchange data that way. Seems like a niche use for pro photographers, but you can argue that that's exactly the kind of niche the "Pro" MacBook should cater to.
But… a micro-SD slot? Why?
I thought the mid-2019 was the placeholder before we get a true-blue super-duper awesome 14" MBP revision or significant spec upgrade. Looks like it's two straight spec bump placeholders :/
I haven’t bought yet. Waiting for reviews. If those go good, then will likely get an i7, 32GB, 1TB config.