Apple could make a thunderbolt controller easily (they've made plenty of others like display, T2 etc, and helped design TB), just like all the other manufacturers who added TB to AM4 systems. Or buy a controller that already exists.
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Apple could make a thunderbolt controller easily (they've made plenty of others like display, T2 etc, and helped design TB), just like all the other manufacturers who added TB to AM4 systems. Or buy a controller that already exists.
If Apple actually upgrades the 13" I will definitely buy it. Maybe due to the virus causing supply chain issues Apple couldn't make it happen. This is just the normal spec bump plus replacing the dreaded butterfly keyboard to hold everyone off. I don't think Apple would have done anything if it wasn't for the keyboard issues. Apple wanted to get that headache behind them. We can only hope for next year.
There is no valid reason to solder SSD to the logic board. Some argue "security". But then this policy pushes people to external storage. Where is the gain in security?
You might be right regarding SSD reliability. But logic boards do fail. If I'm out of warranty I want to be able to pull my SSD and replace the laptop, without having to fork a ton of money again for overpriced storage. Also Apple's SSD upgrade prices are outrageous. I just upgraded a 2013 MBA to 2TB SSD for $300. My wife's MBP was upgraded to 512G SSD and RAM from 4G to 8G. I would like to be able to buy a new MBP and move my 2TB investment rather than give an arm and a leg to Apple.
There is so much I'm willing to compromise to stay with Mac OS. I think is time to go back to Windows or even Linux.
It's a shame (and I'm not trolling, there are 3 Macbooks in my house right now).
Its actually worse than that in the UK. Here, the 1.4>1.7 upgrade is £300, and the 8GB>16GB is £100.
This makes the 1.7Ghz i7/8th gen 16/512 £1899,
Whereas the 2.0 Ghz i5/10th gen 16/512 £1799 !!!
The major differences here are:
8th gen, faster turbo (4.5Ghz vs 3.8Ghz), but in a lower TDP CPU (15W? vs 28W?), and therefore in a case with a much lower cooling cpaacity (1 fan vs 2 fans).
At a guess, I would suggest the 1.7Ghz i7 will have faster single core performance, but lower sustained, multicore performance.
The "Iris Pro G7" GPU on the 10th gen is also better than the "Iris Plus 645" on the 8th gen. It can also output 6K in case that every becomes important.
However, what isn't clear to me is whether the Intel Iris 10th gen "G7" is actually better or worse than the 8th gen Iris 655 that it replaces in the higher end 2019 13 inch MBPros.
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There is nothing that I have seen to suggest that Apple is using a special variant of the 1068G7. As you say, the specs are an identical match. 28 Watt TPD CPU with base 2.3 and boost 4.1.
However, it is clear that they must be using an as yet unreleased i5 variant for the 2.0Ghz model. 1038G7 or 1038NG7 makes sense here. It can't just be a i5-1035G7 with TDP increased to 25W, because that CPU would still be limited to max 3.7Ghz turbo:
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Half of the higher end SD cards these days come in Micro SD sizes. All my Samsung EVOs are Micro SD ranging from 64-256 GB.
The "SSD soldered to the logic board" is literally one to three chips (depending on capacity) containing NAND flash memory, plus the T2 chip acting as a controller.
Like, yeah, they could have put it on a daughterboard, or used an off-the-shelf M.2 stick, or something, but they didn't.
Soooo, put the CPU on a socket? And the GPU? Have a daughterboard for Wi-Fi, perhaps?
Disappointing indead, especially for the base model MBP which probably was and it is still the most popular one. By the time next update comes out, this MBP will be having 3-4 years old CPU inside which is annoing for 1000+ US$ notebook. What the new base model MBP should have been in order to gain some new market share for the Mac:
14inc ultra slim bezel
10-gen guad core Intel CPU
the "new" old keyboard
256 SSD
WiFi6
16Gb Ram
New 4k facetime camera
1299 US$
14inc ultra slim bezel
10-gen guad core Intel CPU
the "new" old keyboard
256 SSD
WiFi6
16Gb Ram
New 4k facetime camera
1299 US$
When will Apple do the right thing and replace or refund me for my 13” 2017 MBP with the crap butterfly keyboard that has been “repaired” 4 or 5 times now?
Tim Cook needs to resign and go hang out with his buddy Trump because Apple lost its focus years ago. Tim Cook is more interested in creating new emojis than creating good hardware, and a stable OS.
30 years of using Apple products, riding along with the ups and downs. If you too are frustrated with your MBP with the unfixable butterfly keyboard do a quick search on Google for the Class Action lawsuit and join us that have already completed the online form seeking compensation or a replacement MBP.
Tim Cook needs to resign and go hang out with his buddy Trump because Apple lost its focus years ago. Tim Cook is more interested in creating new emojis than creating good hardware, and a stable OS.
30 years of using Apple products, riding along with the ups and downs. If you too are frustrated with your MBP with the unfixable butterfly keyboard do a quick search on Google for the Class Action lawsuit and join us that have already completed the online form seeking compensation or a replacement MBP.
Apple today announced a new 13-inch MacBook Pro with a more reliable Magic Keyboard, faster 10th-generation Intel processor options, up to 80 percent faster graphics performance, up to 32GB of RAM, up to 4TB of SSD storage, and more.
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First introduced on the 16-inch MacBook Pro last year, the Magic Keyboard features a redesigned scissor mechanism with 1mm of key travel, an inverted-"T" arrangement for the arrow keys, and a physical Escape key. After five years, Apple has finally transitioned its entire notebook lineup away from its issue-prone butterfly keyboard.
10th-generation Intel Core processor options are now available, but only on higher-end configurations starting at $1,799. Lower-end configurations still use Intel's older 8th-generation processors like the previous 13-inch MacBook Pro.
The high-end configuration can be customized with a 2.3GHz quad-core 10th-generation Core i7 chip with Turbo Boost up to 4.1GHz.
The new 13-inch MacBook Pro is available with up to 32GB of RAM for the first time, compared to a max of 16GB previously, while 16GB of RAM is now offered standard on select configurations. For the 16GB and 32GB RAM options, Apple is using faster 3733MHz LPDDR4X memory, but the base model continues to have 8GB of 2133MHz LPDDR3 memory.
Apple has doubled the storage across all standard configurations, with the base model now coming with a 256GB SSD, up from 128GB. At the high end, users can upgrade to a new 4TB SSD option for an extra $1,000.
The latest Intel Iris Plus integrated graphics offer up to 80 percent faster graphics performance than the previous generation.
The new 13-inch MacBook Pro models are available to order on Apple.com starting today, with pricing starting at $1,299 in the United States. It will begin arriving to customers and will be in select Apple Stores and Apple Authorized Resellers later this week.
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Excellent spec!
Looking forward to your review of the unit.
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I definitely see your point and it make sense. Except there is no Bluetooth 6 spec ... not even being worked on (as far as I'm aware) or what it'll support. I'm sure eventually it will.
I guess you're not upgrading in 2020 to ensure at the very least Wi-Fi 6 is within the chipset and improved antennae
A 14" would only make sense if Apple can reduce the bezel size and keep the 14" the same size as the current 13".
People buy the 13" for the portability / performance trade off. The Air isn't powerful enough, resulting in a product gap.
People buy the 13" for the portability / performance trade off. The Air isn't powerful enough, resulting in a product gap.
Well, to be fair, CPU/Memory manufacturers don't adjust their warranty coverage based on how many cycles the CPU has run or how many gigabytes have been written to the RAM, but SSD manufacturers certainly do. It's considered a "wear item". Also I hope for the prices Apple is charging, that they're at least using TLC, or even better MLC flash. I hope they're not using QLC....
When helping locals with Mac problems out, it's amazing how many are running their stock 128gb SSD's at close to max capacity at all times. This is wearing out the SSDs much much faster.
It could mean that Apple requested some minor modification. For example, Apple doesn’t use the V-Pro technology for device security, so it’s conceivable Intel customized it.
The typical user may 'know' the storage is upgradeable, yet many, a lot of those typical users, are going to end up paying a lot more vs on newegg due to not know which M.2 size is to be used, or to use the optimal read/write speeds for the M.2 (2280). The sad part is there are SSD's (not NVMe) that use the same M.2 interface for storage.
PCIe 3 storage sticks that support 3GB/s Read & Write speeds are not too common at decent pricing and moreover not a lot of motherboards support that speed for 2yr old or more recent laptops. Not all Dell Latitudes or HP Pavilions due either, some do many don't.
I'm VERY curious if the storage Apple's been using since 2016 and especially this year has different specs, latency or reliability vs off the shelf PCIe v3 or v4 storage sticks??
I am a photographer and videographer as a hobby. I don’t want an SD card slot on the MacBooks. One, it’s a dying tech. SD Card UHS-iii will be next. UHS-ii was last. But even then CF Express is the new fast standard card. Apple cannot be held to keep updating these things. The primary purpose of a photographer is to photograph and edit. I get these machines do these things. At the same time, I don’t want an SD Card slot when the new EOS R5 and 1D X m3 were just or will be released with CF Express slots. That makes the SD card useless and a port not needed.
I think what everyone really misses is most people don’t need any ports other than USB-C/Thunderbolt 3. They’re the current fastest until USB 4/Thunderbolt 4 are released using the same adapter. So all current stuff will be backwards compatible. And, I would prefer four of the fastest ports possible. I have USB-C to HDMI, USB-C to Lightning, USB-C to USB-C, and USB-C to Micro USB. Then, I currently have one adapter that reads SD Cards in UHS-ii speed And one that reads CF Express. That’s the way I like it. They’re as fast as the cards can be read.
A dock can be handy at home but that’s regardless of whether one has all the exact ports or a far superior port like USB-C. The one problem was when USB-C was first implemented companies used various standards. Now, it all is standardized for power and data.
It’s much better this way in my opinion. I remember years ago when people were rejoicing in HDMI but the standard only worked up to 1080p or 1200p. That sucked when 4K came onto the scene and only way to make it work was with Mini DisplayPort. The HDMI spec has changed many times, sometimes it doesn’t carry audio like Apple implemented it. It has HDCP problems. And unless the laptop is brand new it probably doesn’t have HDMI 2.0 at least from Apple. So one would maybe have to run their external monitor in 30hz and or use an audio adapter separately.
So I strongly argue that four USB-C/Thunderbolt ports has made us need less dongles if one just buys the proper cables.The dongle really is mostly unnecessary. And having four full-bandwidth multi-use ports is far more advantageous for people who really want to use the power of the Mac computers.
Conversely ... HP (even with Bang & Olufsen on their EliteBook/x360 EliteBook/ZPro lineup), Dell and Lenovo have NO excuse using sub-par speakers (volume/quality/range and location of speakers on the Dells) on their laptops.
I'll get to you on the MicroSD card
MicroSD is used in the Dell XPS 13 9300 (2020 model) since the reader for the SD card is just too small. It helps for some digital camera's and drones footage/recordings or Android phone storage. However it's still slower than using USB-C /TB3 cable/connections directly to the camera, not to mention doing so it faster & will charge your camera while connected. You also don't run the silly risk of screwing up permissions on the card where the camera may not be able to recognize/use it right away before reformatting it therein.
Well, the failure rates are not 100% so consider yourself lucky. Others probably have left the Mac platform after paying so much and getting computers that can't input key presses.
Oooooooh...the irony of that!
Some things use USB-C but USB-A is the main and the standard. Think of it this way, if someone was offered an all USB-A laptop or all USB-C laptop and converting dongles do not exist, which do you think he will choose?
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Whats replacing SD cards?
(edited the rest out) but I fully agree. I didn't know about CF Express ... I thought CF cards where like the floppy disk - dead. I was surely wrong ... CF Express TypeB uses the NVMe 2.0 spec for low latency & improved bandwidth and supports 4GB/s !! screw all MicroSD or SD card slots as the data transfer does not even come close! 1 cable to camera supporting this ... charge and work with data in real time as that storage can perform as a scratch disk.
Never heard of anyone swapping the CPU on a laptop or any CPU failing.
But I know plenty of people that swapped the RAM and SSD and extended their device's life (I have even replaced a MBA logic board)
And yes, some people have replaced bad WiFi modules too, although way less common.
IMHO, using soldered SSD is a conscious decision to charge more money upfront or to force an earlier upgrade.
That's fine. It's a valid business model. I just don't think Apple is an honest customer focused company anymore. Who on calls a Keyboard "Magic" when all it does is fix an awful design that they denied having problems with on the first place?
I'm all for the compact form factor, but I'm not religious about it.
The lineup with the ultraslim MBA and the upgradeable MBP was the best.
I know I'm just some random user and Apple doesn't need my money, but I'm not buying another Macbook unless I can swap the storage. And that includes my wife and kids devices. I might keep my work Macbook only because I don't pay for it, but I might also swap it out of principle.
who on earth is touching the screen to rest their palms in the first place on a laptop?
Screen size does not affect palm space on the palm resets ... the screen is already larger than the keyboard so I'm not sure what you're referring to.
First of all, Intels 8th Gen Coffee Lake CPUs aren't even 3 years old (Q3/2017 was the first release). The 8th Gen CPUs in the base model 13” MBP were released in Q3/2019 (Apple got them first). They are still being sold by Dell starting at $469 and going on up to the XPS 15 2-In-1 laptops.
Apple is not pursuing larger market share for the Intel Macs at this point, by design, and are coasting while they work on the Arm transition and creating a viable lineup that may have some of the things you’ve listed at the price you listed. The fact is that Apple is not concentrating on Intel-based systems for pretty obvious reasons.
This is overblown a bit. The processor in the Air isn't meant to run at high speeds for sustained periods of time. That's why it has the cooling system it does. It doesn't need a heat pipe, etc. Some modders have tried hacks, but at best they extract another 10-15% performance.
Either way, it does indicate that the base 13" Pro will be faster even though it has the older processor.
Would love some advice on which MP to purchase. Debating between both newest models of the MBA and MBP. Currently have a MBP from 2012 so these two new models are intriguing to say the least. I'm a teacher that uses quite a few apps at once. I'm pretty techy and understand most things, but processor talk makes my brain hurt LOL. Would need more storage and RAM thats for sure. But not sure if one version is better than the other, and would love some suggestions from you all, that from your comments seem to know than I do. Thanks in advance!