New 13-Inch MacBook Pro Announced With Magic Keyboard, 10th-Gen Processors, Up to 32GB RAM and 4TB SSD, and More

[oldtime]

I don’t dispute that you spend $200 more for a Mac than a Windows PC with comparable specs.That’s Apple’s business model. But you do get an OS with all the networking capabilities (no “Home vs Pro editions”), a very capable productivity suite (Pages, Numbers, Keynote), good technical support, a year of Apple TV, and high quality screens that outperform their “paper” specs. And MacBooks have best in class trackpads. Nothing else comes close.
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The “Iris Plus” graphics on the higher end models no longer have a numeric destination but are an upgrade from the base model. More shaders, etc.

All correct, and you did not even mention that the MBP is still the most reliable laptop around according to CR (aside from the very niche toughbook, and despite the issues with the last gen KB) and while also giving you more years of use, will perform better during its senior years than its windows competitors. And then there's the incredible resale value.

On the day you buy an Apple laptop you are feeling a greater drain on your bank acct, but if you use them over a period of years and eventually decades, you aren't losing a damn thing. My last two Apple laptops (1st gen CD WhiteBook and 2012 MBA) set me back around $2500 combined and gave me 14 years of nearly problem free usage. I don't believe there's more than a 5% chance I could have used comparable Windows laptops in that time frame without eclipsing that dollar figure by a good margin.

 

[mike...]

So to get 32GB of RAM you have to buy the most expensive base model. Ridiculous. My workload is RAM-heavy and doesn't need the higher end CPU or four thunderbolt ports. Might as well get a far superior 16" MacBook for that kind of money.

[Edit] It seems because the expensive one has a 10th gen chip and the others are 8th gen. Isn't that what they were before?

 

[Dontdothat317]

I'm actually hoping the sales of this update are outright disappointing for Apple, prompting them to release an innovative update sooner. Particularly in light of the economic depression the world is in, 1500-2000$ is much harder for many to part with today than it was last year. That makes this an even worse value.

 

[llllllllll]

Holy cow! This thread was just started today and already has 29 pages and over 710 replies!!!

Yea, but if you were to cut out all the moaning about bezels it would be more like 3 pages total.

 

[Niklas_nick]

I mean it’s nice they doubled base storage for the same price and fixed the keyboard, but in my country (Europe) the base model is ~$1650 (converted) and I won’t shell out that much money for a derivative of a 2018 CPU. For the 10th gen processor, you’ll have to pay ~$2350 without modifications. That’s just too much for an “old design” with fine, but not incredible specs.

 

[user_xyz]

How Cheezy!!
Come on Apple.

 

[Spectrum]

So the figures I was referring to were under SPEC2006 results where it states: "Performance per clock increases on the new Sunny Cove architecture are outstandingly good. IPC increases against the mobile Skylake are 33 and 38% in the integer and fp suites, though we also have to keep in d mind these figures go beyond just the Sunny Cove architecture and also include improvements through the new LPDDR4X memory controllers." It basically says a 3 GHz Ice Lake part would be around 33-38 percent faster than a 3 GHz Coffee Lake part. However, as I said in my post, Coffee Lake parts have a higher max turbo so the gap is shorter.

Later a bit down, it compares Ice Lake results to 9900K with 13%-14% increase but states that it is a desktop processor so comparing IPC kind of doesn't make sense (apples and oranges as he says).

The graph you posted is probably comparing a lower max turbo Ice Lake part (such as 4.1 GHz one in the 2020 MBP) to a higher max turbo Whiskey Lake part (such as 4.7 GHz on the last gen, tbf last gen was a Coffee Lake part) so it is not a comparison on the same processor speed (on the same GHz if you will) but rather at the same thermal envelope (at 15W). So on single core tests, we should expect somewhere around 10-15 percent bump (I said around 16% previously).

ok, so theoretical improvement is around 30%, but due to lower clock speed this improvement will be halved.
But since we are in a laptop, where thermals are constrained, i guess that the 10th gen should actually do a lot better.

i.e. At the same stable wattage/heat do you think 10th gen should be more able to reach and maintain the same GHz boost speeds as the 8th gen CPUs? (And thus have 30% increase?) Or will 8th Gen always get to a higher boost?

I guess the question can be partially answered by looking at what the stable (max wattage) CPU speed is on the 8th Gen MBPro. If this is under 4Ghz, it seems probable (to me) that the 10th Gen will equal their clock speed, unless for some reason 10th gen uses more power per GHz than 8th Gen?

 

[The Game 161]

Is this update so mild that a 14 inch is in the pipline. Makes you wonder

 

[illutionz]

I’m curious about the actual 10th gen processors in this. The only ones I can find on ark.intel that fit the profile are the i5 1035G7 and i7 1065G7. Those are listed as 15W with a 25W TDP-up mode and the clock speeds are lower than what Apple has here. Is Apple using different processors or are they simply clocking them higher?

The $1799 standard model is using a new 28W SKU called i5-1038NG7. The BTO i7 is using the fabled i7-1068NG7 which is the Apple's version of 28W i7-1068G7.

Here's Anandtech's article for the fabled 28W 1068G7 SKU: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15302/intel-28-w-ice-lake-core-i71068g7-coming-q1

 

[Santabean2000]

Is this update so mild that a 14 inch is in the pipline. Makes you wonder

I’m sure this of the case.

I just wish they would put a dedicated gpu. Not holding my breath...

 

[Mitochris]

This has probably been answered somewhere but there are too many posts. I don't understand the logic here.
Apple offers (at least in Sweden) the 8th gen 1.7 GHz i7 with 16GB (3xRAM) and 512GB for exactly the same price as the 10th generation 2.0GHz i5 with 16GB (4xRAM) and 512GB.
From what I understand there is no benefit of the 8th gen i7 versus the 10th gen i5. In fact, the 10th gen is supposed to be superior, with more features etc. So why does Apple offer the two for the same price? Why have the inventory lying around?
Is there a reason to pick the i7 over the i5? The i7 has hyper threading, as I understand, but does that make an appreciable performance boost over the benefits of the 10th generation?
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On the day you buy an Apple laptop you are feeling a greater drain on your bank acct, but if you use them over a period of years and eventually decades, you aren't losing a damn thing. My last two Apple laptops (1st gen CD WhiteBook and 2012 MBA) set me back around $2500 combined and gave me 14 years of nearly problem free usage. I don't believe there's more than a 5% chance I could have used comparable Windows laptops in that time frame without eclipsing that dollar figure by a good margin.

Completely agree. I am still on my second MBP since 2008. I will have to upgrade soon, although my 2014 i7 is doing just fine, but our IT department is refusing to support computers older than 5 years. So this one will retire as a home computer, I guess.

 

[Steve121178]

Would have been easily possible with AMD Ryzen 4000

A 35W TDP processor in a machine as thin as the MacBook Pro 13"? No it wouldn't.

 

[chucker23n1]

This has probably been answered somewhere but there are too many posts. I don't understand the logic here.
Apple offers (at least in Sweden) the 8th gen 1.7 GHz i7 with 16GB (3xRAM) and 512GB for exactly the same price as the 10th generation 2.0GHz i5 with 16GB (4xRAM) and 512GB.
From what I understand there is no benefit of the 8th gen i7 versus the 10th gen i5. In fact, the 10th gen is supposed to be superior, with more features etc. So why does Apple offer the two for the same price? Why have the inventory lying around?
Is there a reason to pick the i7 over the i5? The i7 has hyper threading, as I understand, but does that make an appreciable performance boost over the benefits of the 10th generation?

The BTO options on the 8th-gens are indeed a little strange.

As for performance: we don't know. The parts used in the 10th-gens were previously unannounced by Intel, so you'll want to wait a week or two until we get actual data from reviews.

As for HyperThreading, though, even i3 Ice Lake CPUs have HyperThreading, so that shouldn't matter.
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A 35W TDP processor in a machine as thin as the MacBook Pro 13"? No it wouldn't.

There's a few 25W 8-core Ryzen Mobile 4000s, FWIW.

 

[adrianlondon]

First world problems..
People like you are one reason why return policies get worse year by year and I would not be surprised if even Apple stops accepting this unnecessary environmental and financial cost.
Just use your f... MBA and stop buying stuff you don’t really need or even what.

In usual times, yes, but at the moment people are buying stuff (Macbook Air, 13" Pro, iPhone SE etc.) without being able to try them first. Pretty much all the youtube reviews are useless, so the only way is to make an educated guess, buy it, and then return it if it's not what you thought you wanted.

 

[gctwnl]

All correct, and you did not even mention that the MBP is still the most reliable laptop around according to CR (aside from the very niche toughbook, and despite the issues with the last gen KB) and while also giving you more years of use, will perform better during its senior years than its windows competitors. And then there's the incredible resale value.

On the day you buy an Apple laptop you are feeling a greater drain on your bank acct, but if you use them over a period of years and eventually decades, you aren't losing a damn thing. My last two Apple laptops (1st gen CD WhiteBook and 2012 MBA) set me back around $2500 combined and gave me 14 years of nearly problem free usage. I don't believe there's more than a 5% chance I could have used comparable Windows laptops in that time frame without eclipsing that dollar figure by a good margin.

I'm still using a MPB Retina 13" 2013. It was very expensive when I bought it, but it still manages, including running Win10 via Parallels for certain Win tooling I need. 7 years almost. That is good value for money. I'm in the market for a new one, still, if a 14" would be around the corner it could serve me a while more.

I just hope they won't move fully to ARM as I really need that Win software and hardware emulation... meh.
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I’m sure this of the case.

I just wish they would put a dedicated gpu. Not holding my breath...

I don't expect it in a 13-14" because of heat issues.

 

[chucker23n1]

In usual times, yes, but at the moment people are buying stuff (Macbook Air, 13" Pro, iPhone SE etc.) without being able to try them first. Pretty much all the youtube reviews are useless, so the only way is to make an educated guess, buy it, and then return it if it's not what you thought you wanted.

I'm not really sure what you mean by trying. Sure, especially for first-time Apple customers, playing with a device in a store is great. I don't really see YouTube reviews as being useless. It depends on what question you're trying to answer?

 

[PostApple2016BrainWash]

I can (barely) see the arguments for having an SD slot, e.g. it being the same slot as on digital cameras. So you can exchange data that way. Seems like a niche use for pro photographers, but you can argue that that's exactly the kind of niche the "Pro" MacBook should cater to.

But… a micro-SD slot? Why?

You can bet that microSD is essential for photography and content creators who used a laptop. It's way thinner than a USB-C and won't be taking up a huge amount of space like USB-A!

Tim Cook is nurturing APPLE to make some part of the product less stellar and waste your money to pay for the dongle.

 

[KPOM]

The $1799 standard model is using a new 28W SKU called i5-1038NG7. The BTO i7 is using the fabled i7-1068NG7 which is the Apple's version of 28W i7-1068G7.

Here's Anandtech's article for the fabled 28W 1068G7 SKU: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15302/intel-28-w-ice-lake-core-i71068g7-coming-q1

Thanks for the link. That makes total sense given the stated specs.
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The BTO options on the 8th-gens are indeed a little strange.

As for performance: we don't know. The parts used in the 10th-gens were previously unannounced by Intel, so you'll want to wait a week or two until we get actual data from reviews.

As for HyperThreading, though, even i3 Ice Lake CPUs have HyperThreading, so that shouldn't matter.
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There's a few 25W 8-core Ryzen Mobile 4000s, FWIW.

I just got a shipping notice for my i5 (base 4-port model). It should arrive May 12, 2 days ahead of Apple’s initial estimate. So I’d expect the review embargo will be lifted about that time. Plus unofficial YouTube reviews should follow about that time, as well.

 

[chucker23n1]

The $1799 standard model is using a new 28W SKU called i5-1038NG7. The BTO i7 is using the fabled i7-1068NG7 which is the Apple's version of 28W i7-1068G7.

Here's Anandtech's article for the fabled 28W 1068G7 SKU: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15302/intel-28-w-ice-lake-core-i71068g7-coming-q1

Kind of weird how the 1068NG7 seems to be basically identical to the non-N. Maybe it has fewer GPU EUs? Or is the "N" really just a "not for third parties" marker? (For the Air, that's not true — some of the NG parts have a higher TDP, and a higher clock.)

 

[paulvee]

You can bet that microSD is essential for photography and content creators who used a laptop. It's way thinner than a USB-C and won't be taking up a huge amount of space like USB-A!

Tim Cook is nurturing APPLE to make some part of the product less stellar and waste your money to pay for the dongle.

First off, it’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Second, to dedicate any laptop port to a specific storage card is foolish in 2020. I say this as a professional photographer. The smart thing is to use adapters and one single port size.

 

[FoxMcCloud]

There's a few 25W 8-core Ryzen Mobile 4000s, FWIW.

That, and AMD chips are actually those TDP, not whatever the hell Intel think those TDPs mean.

So Intel "25W" processor is much hotter than an AMD 25W. Same across the board. AMD mobile chips are almost the same performance wise as desktop too.

Heres the AMD processors. Baring in mind that the GPU in these chips is leagues ahead of the Iris Pro too

 

[chucker23n1]

You can bet that microSD is essential for photography and content creators who used a laptop.

It… it is? How many cameras do you know with a microSD slot? The main segment for cameras where the SD slot matters at all, these days, is the mid-range to high-end, in which case you want fast writing speeds, in which case SD is a much better option than microSD.

 

[llllllllll]

The smart thing is to use adapters and one single port size.

The professional photographers I know actually use WiFi

 

[Admiral]

Would have been easily possible with AMD Ryzen 4000

Until AMD gets Thunderbolt 3 on the chip, I can't see Apple going for it. Thunderbolt 3 is critical to the Apple workflow. Maybe USB4 will save us all. AMD's 600-series chipset will have USB4, but reportedly AMD will not be implementing Thunderbolt 3 compatibility in its USB4 solution.

 

[lxmeta]

Nice and very appreciated patch, now where is the real upgrade coming?
I'd like a renovated display (like 15"->16"), wifi 6, better camera, discrete GPU option, and potentially even more RAM as an option (64GB)