For the 5th time, it's not about the screen size you fool. You can't seem to see beyond your own ideas of what I said. If you're done with your own stupidity then please stop replying and read what my posts were actually about. If you think screen size is what makes a computer then it is you that's too blind to design computers.
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New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Kaby Lake and 32GB of Desktop-Class RAM Coming Later This Year
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I know this may seem hard to believe but there are those of us who do more than browse FaceBook and Reddit all day long.
Some of us write applications, develop web pages, and create large databases for our jobs. It is incredibly handy to be able to load two or three virtual machines to help us in our design and development work. One VM might be a client, one might be the database server, and another might be a test environment.
There is a whole landscape of applications beyond the web browser that require memory and drive space. While you may have never exceeded 16GB of ram, there are a lot of us who have.
While I don't consider 32GB of memory 'bragging right', the high six figures I earn from my job probably does.
but it hurts to see the world talking about the new MacBook Pro and you just paid 4300$ for yours lol
Not one bit. There will always be new ones. But right now I'm getting a ton of work done and making a lot of money using my brand new MBP. When the new one comes out, it won't be the biggest and best anymore but I'll buy a new one.
The silliness is that there are new MBP owners that don't want to see new ones come out because then they no longer have the newest thing. To them it's more important to have the newest laptop than it is for the market to move forward. You're seeing many of those in this thread complaining about the next one being better than the current.
I haven't read that from anyone anywhere on this forum. Do you have a link to anyone who claimed they dont want new models released because they will no longer own the newest thing?
Newer models in no way shape or form is evidence of the market moving forward.
I think that was just his interpretation of the tone of the comments, which does feel like it's the case for a few people... but your comment is valid too. Only a handful of comments gave me the impression that they'd be upset if their MBP would be "yesterday'd" by the next model. The rest were critical for other reasons... not all of them for realistic reasons though.
If indeed this 32GB variant does come out, it'd be a bit different than with other release cycles where the next version was just a performance bump... same laptop with newer stuff inside. This would be the first case in a while where the next version could be a significantly better laptop.
This was the norm in throughout most of the 2000's though wasn't it? The technology was maturing at such a pace that if you bought the wrong computer, it'd be a lemon in two years. Some releases really gave you your money's worth while some were just dressed up for the show.
For the new MBPs, I can understand the buyers remorse if a 32GB variant comes to pass later this year. This is a pretty expensive purchase for most people and many people waited for this moment because they had gone so long without a truly new MBP.
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Mate. You are here arguing it is.
A MacBook Pro with two external screens does not a Mac Pro make.
Well its not like using Facebook and Reddit requires anywhere near 16GB. You might find it hard to believe, but thats doable with 4gb ram...so don't try to make it sound like 16gb is insufficient for any type of serious work.
There are a sh!tload of professional apps that can be run with 16gb of ram easily. In many cases [such as mine] its the CPU that is more critical than ram.
Im not saying you don't need it, or that others don't either. But the idea that anything other than web browsing can't survive on 16GB is ridiculous...
So you develop everything in VM's on your MBP? Or did you reply to just brag about your over inflated salary?
If your idea of a "pro" laptop is some kind of huge mammoth with desktop components inside and always plugged you'd be better off glueing a handle on a 27" top specced Imac. A laptop is for people that need to take it with them everywhere they go, key factor is portability (weight, size and battery life).
And apple has catered various sizes for that-it doesn't need to overly skimp on the 15" MacBook Pro. Many people can write or blog on an iPhone or iPad, the you have (recently had and some still around) 11" and 13" MacBook airs, 12" ultra portable MacBooks, why suggest that they castrate what the 13" and 15" MacBook Pros could potentially handle. To suggest that the MacBook Pro is the only portable notebook offered is a joke. Either the MacBook Air or MacBook would better fit someone prizing portability and battery life over a dedicated GPU, and decent CPU.
You do also realize the iMac has for years used notebook class components right?
Not a good argument. I can EASILY get Adobe After Effects to eat up 122GB of RAM without much effort. You guys need to know how RAM works and programs like Adobe apps use up as much as you throw at it.
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Wait, what? You only have 8GB of RAM? Your memory pressure is in the green too. How are you having issues?Yeah right! You have no idea.
I don't understand your issue with what I said...it seems like we're both arguing for exactly the same thing? That After Effects can in fact easily use up 16 GB, 32 GB, or more of RAM. That's what I was saying.
Right, but that doesn't mean that I cannot use it with 16GB of RAM. After Effects will use as much RAM as you give it. Give it 16, it will use 16. Give it 122GB, it WILL use 122GB. Same project.
Some projects w/ Film & TV industry standard applications will not run w/ 16GB of RAM PERIOD
Exactly- HELLO - ANYBODY THERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you have retired the Mac Pro just say so APPLE........ so we can all move on.... I have £9K for a new top of the line machine , I'm not buying a 3 year old piece of kit to have it outdated 2 weeks later when you say " Hi here it is folks THE NEW MAC PRO "................. absolute bollox
As far as I know the only notebook component in the iMac is the discrete GPU but anyways, I don't think that the 13" and 15" Macbook Pros are castrated in any way. If you get the top 15" you have a laptop which is light and thin (and beautiful) but still has the most powerful mobile 6th gen Intel CPU (2.9/3.8GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 - skylake) that is more or less equivalent to the new mobile kabylakes, has a very decent discrete GPU, a very nice IPS Display, 40 Gbps Thunderbolt (which if you are a pro and move large files is very handy given it is 4X speed over USB 3.1) and 10 hours of battery life (light use). So what are you missing, 32GB of Ram which is needed maybe by the 0,1% of the market? Apple will add the 32gb option when the new Intel cpus will support 32gb of LPDRAM (by 2018). Do you realize that the new mobile HQ kabylakes have a 45W TDP vs 91W TDP of the desktop ones?
[doublepost=1484868797][/doublepost]and lastly, I don't understand why the very few people in need of a mammoth mobile workstation with desktop stuff inside and no portability/no battery life don't go ahead and buy a dell or whatever is on the market instead of losing time bitching on a mac forum when it is clear that apple will never produce such a machine. Buy another brand with 128gigs of memory and be happy with your ten VMs
yeah of course, my 2013 is still up and kicking
but it still hurts not for the money, for the sake of having something new...the Geek Sense
yeah of course, my 2013 is still up and kicking
but it still hurts not for the money, for the sake of having something new...the Geek Sense
My 2012 works ok. The dead pixels on the retina screen are pretty annoying though. I hear you about the Geek Sense tho.
Right, but if you don't have enough RAM, it's going to either shorten your preview time (bad) or start hitting the disk as a RAM cache (really bad). Sure, you might have a simple project that requires less than 16 GB (actually probably 8-12 once you account for the OS and application binaries being loaded). But when you have something that needs more (common in my experience), you're hosed without the RAM.
Um, yeah? There are some projects and workflows that need a $5,000 Quadro video card. Does Apple need to include that?
I imagine in a pinch they would do the best the could, more options are coming with thunderbolt 3 to use eGPU, I doubt there is a RAM equivalent to that solution.
To the naysayers. You do realize a few years ago 256MB, 512MB, 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, and now 8GB and 16GB are standard-is it really that much of a mind f*** to think that tomorrow, later this year or next it will be 32GB? Even if it's not a standard base configuration. The hardware keeps getting progressively better, smaller (not to be confused with thinner), and more energy efficient. Who would want to delay technological advancements. Those clamoring that 16GB is plenty, can surely find a MacBook/Air that has all the portability and battery concerns that fit your needs. Who would want to lug around an extra 3" when you can have that fancy 12" ultra portable? Both the current air and MacBook are stock at 8GB with up to 12 hour battery life... if you don't need ram, and prize battery life go there.
Once someone talked about the crazy ones... the rebels and trouble makers, the ones that moved the world forward, damn those were good days.
NEW 32GB (16GB x2) DDR4 SODIMM RAM consumer prices range from $200 to $300
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-DDR4
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The days were rocky, unexpected, sometimes disappointing, but often truly brilliant.
Dude, the retina iMac line is literally a Mac Mini screwed at the back of a display.
The 6700k is a nice CPU on paper, but users of the maxed out 5K reported throttling issues due to the thermo envelope of the thin iMac chassis, which should only be an excuse on a laptop.
The RAM used is SO-DIMM DDR3, while most of the modern ATX boards are using desktop DDR4.
Even on the maxed out 27" the HDD is a 2.5" and it is located deep into the chassis difficult to access.
If these models didn't come with retina 4k/5k displays which are still exclusive when bought standalone, these computers would have been considered absolute ripoffs.
Sorry, I wasn't specific in my statement. Is there an external RAM solution, similar to an eGPU (https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/18/hand...e-apple-2016-macbook-pro-thunderbolt-3-video/) for a MacBook/Air/Pro. If there is I cede the point, for the argument for a 32GB option in the near future (this year/next year) but to my knowledge there isn't one. I remember Phil Schiller in the video that came with the announcement of the PowerMac G5, with the dancing bars "todays computers are 32-bit, computers of the future are going to be 64-bit, with double the dancing bars on the opposite end of the screen, it's not a matter of "if" but "when" RAM will be 32GB and then 64GB (yes the latter will likely be years for main stream computing). Technology keeps getting faster an smaller, in all aspects of computer components. After the recent update Phil did an interview defending the max RAM to be 16GB, pretty much citing battery life concerns, never did he come out (to my recollection) and say, "well the intel chip doesn't support it" and I'm not arguing it is or isn't capable, my point is it really is on the horizon. With Apple soldering RAM on all but the Mac Pro and 27" iMac (which luckily can be upgraded after if need be), I think we'd be safe to say a 32GB RAM upgrade would look close to a $300-500 premium, on the iMac it's already a $400 jump between 16 and 32GB, when it does happen, a lot of people will opt for it for "future-proofing" just like lots did when the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro was released with an 8GB or 16GB option, along with the following revisions. Currently the 15" MacBook Pro is already maxed on all configurations with 16GB, and the 13" having the upgrade option for $200 between the 8GB and 16GB. It really could be rev. B or rev. C that we see it come into reality.
I wish! nMP memory bandwidth is 60Gbytes/sec
TB3 caps out at around 4GBytes/sec
I posted the link to RAM prices to show the absurdity of user xWhiplash suggesting an
theoretical $5,000 video card option is equivalent to offering a $200 32GB RAM option (which the big A would charges 3~4x more for).Well since apple is still advertising and vying for position in the video editing world with FCP.....Yes. Or they say well Adobe and Avid work on us too....come to our hardware to make your mark in the creative world.
And its not just video here....I know others more into graphics arts who are coming to realize being on a windows box does not have their graphics world come to a dire end.
And believe it or not, some who keep on about this stuff are thinking of apple long term. Heard the well I don't do hard core video. many will eventually to some degree. See with 4k a thing now...and even some going man 5k or not worth my time some will be seeing their video file sizes shoot up up up. Even on point and shoots.
Check the file sizes on these filmings for 4k. Usually will be in mb/s bit rates. I'd post a link..some zealot will say I posted loaded data. So find your own if you'd like. I use semi/pro standard codecs like apple pro res 422 for my shooting of 1080p 30 FPS (non 4k shooting what I do). This uses the same bit rate (actually a smudge less iirc) as most of your most compressed 4k codecs out there. The 4k codecs used on most consumer P&S hand cams when you press the record button.
Hard numbers: 45 minutes of video to me can be 75gb of file(s) created. This can easily be the same output as a best buy special "point and shoot" 4k video cam.
See here is where we see issues. And why we harp on say memory and video card choices. In time as some out there go beyond the 2 minute clip of Happy Birthday singing time at a party and expand...they will find in short order where things like video cards and 16 gb can be limiting. Especially as 4k grows with 5k coming in right behind saying don't get too comfortable man...I want your job.
And this is coming fast. I am considered old and updated by many at work because I don't have a 4k tv....and they go you don't shoot 4k? why? No need for me yet really...yet
See apple is hitting a bad spot. It can support 4k and 5k content...but when compared to other offerings out there its slowly becoming not the ideal choice to actually create that content for a growing number.
And its not because we are cheap (my favorite zealot defence). I have the money for a pimped out 2016 MBP. even the money for a decent MP. Thing is...I am seeing that money better spent elsewhere more as time goes on. Its the hardware options that is teasing me here. To the point I am not caring as much I have to ditch FCP and buy new licensing for video applications and plugins. If lucky if I do this I can write some plugin devs and plead to get a license conversion and get it. If not...yeah some are good enough I'd rebuy them. Would not be ear to ear smile happy about it but is what it is.