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New 4" iPhone With 12MP Camera Said to Cost $400-$500, iPhone 5s to Receive 50% Price Cut

felt. said:
What a ripoff, a used iphone4 on ebay can be had for $20, it has the same functionality with the ability to make calls, send and receive texts, and load webpages.
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1. You don't get a used iPhone 4 for $20.

2. iPhone 4 cannot be upgraded beyond iOS 7. Many new apps don't run on the iPhone 4 at all, and others crawl.

3. There is a huge, huge difference between a new iPhone 4 and 4s, and again between 4s and 5, and again between 5 and 5s, and there will be a huge difference between 5s and this phone.

4. If you want a basic phone, go ahead and buy an iPhone 4.
 
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QCassidy352 said:
I don't believe it. I don't believe they will ever sell any iPhone at $225 (full retail). That's playing in the low end of the market, which they've never done in any product category. I also doubt the new iPhone pricing. Well, maybe a 16GB for $500.
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Why not. iPod touch prices and to me the iPhone is not worth more just for the 3G chip anyway (maybe a little)
 
SteveW928 said:
Apple absolutely could do it, but Cook has said a number of times that Apple isn't interested in the low-cost or budget phone market.... that's if you trust what Cook/Apple says.
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Yet Apple has been selling the 4s and 5c until just this month in India. Granted it's an emerging market, but it's no different than a large portion of the population of the US which need cell phones but have to survive on minimum wage. I frankly don't see the difference.
 
Sonmi451 said:
Who the hell wants a 4" iPhone? What a waste. Apple needs to cut the costs after carriers ditching subsidies.
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Tim Cook has stated that 60% of the installed iPhone customers are using a 4" or smaller. How do you explain that when only a small percentage of those customers account for those still under a contract purchase, especially when all of the carriers have provided a means to convert from contracts under their new payment plans to upgrade customers faster?
 
I won't be surprised if base SE is priced within $100 of iPhone 6 (for example, $479) while top end 64GB is priced at $579 (between iPhone 6 and the new 6S). At this point, a consumer is $70 away from getting the newest 6S ($649). SE's job is not only to increase sale volume, but also entice consumers to buy upper-end models that have bigger profit margin. Apple probably wants consumers to walk in to Apple Stores to check out SE, but walk out with 6S.
 
12 mp camera could be the reason for the camera hump in the lastest leaked schematics. And for those wanted 2 gb of ram I think it's still gonna have 1gb because there's less pixels on SE.
 
Mac 128 said:
Tim Cook has stated that 60% of the installed iPhone customers are using a 4" or smaller. How do you explain that when only a small percentage of those customers account for those still under a contract purchase, especially when all of the carriers have provided a means to convert from contracts under their new payment plans to upgrade customers faster?
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There was an article here that said one third were using a 4" iPhone. https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...hone-users-still-have-4-inch-screens.1954574/

There still are a lot of people on two year contracts with the 5S and not everyone upgrades every 2 years. No doubt some haven't upgraded because they want a smaller phone, but IMO, it's not close to 33%. A lot of people bought those smaller phones in emerging markets and price was the driving factor.
 
Mac 128 said:
Yet Apple has been selling the 4s and 5c until just this month in India. Granted it's an emerging market, but it's no different than a large portion of the population of the US which need cell phones but have to survive on minimum wage. I frankly don't see the difference.
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Oh, I was just reporting on what he said... Apple has a history of saying one thing and doing another on this kind of stuff.

But, I'd argue it's not a great idea as even people on low budgets typically like to use up-to-date software and OSs, which creates a bad user experience, which is bad for Apple's brand reputation. But, as I've said a number of times, I'm not sure the 'new' Apple cares about that much anymore.

Sonmi451 said:
Who the hell wants a 4" iPhone? What a waste. Apple needs to cut the costs after carriers ditching subsidies.
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I do. And, what does a 4" phone have to do with cost cutting? And, why does Apple have to do anything because carriers drop subsidizing?

I7guy said:
What's not to trust? Is your life in his hands?
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Trust doesn't need to involve life and death, but I was just saying what Cook has repeatedly said... and pointing out that Apple/Cook also often say one thing and then do another. So, I don't trust that because he said that, they won't.
 
Sonmi451 said:
Who the hell wants a 4" iPhone? What a waste. Apple needs to cut the costs after carriers ditching subsidies.
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I do....my phone first and foremost a phone, a media hub for my Apple Watch, reading emails, notifications, GPS, alarm clock, flashlight, etc, to name a few. Nothing that requires a large screen and pocket fit a nice bonus for me. When I need doing anything serious, use my iPad or more serious us my Macbook. See we may have different needs. Nice to see Apple is accomodating my and others needs.
 
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Michael Goff said:
My point was more that people are asking for current generation specs with more storage for less money. This entire discussion just makes my head hurt overall.
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Have fun with your camera problems.
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Camera problems? Never had any.
 
SteveW928 said:
That was kind of the Windows vs Mac argument too... and it was proven wrong, study after study for decades. It's the whole specs vs experience thing.

IMO, the question is more - given Apple's recent trends - when Apple will fall enough that some other company/OS will start to take Apple's place in this regard, or when Apple's advantage in user experience will be poor enough that it won't matter anymore. Yes, then it will come down more to specs and cost.
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Not really because Mac and Windows have two clear distinct advantages over the other. Mac is great for video editing. Windows is better for gaming. Apple and Android are interchangeable for daily usage. Want something similar to iMessage? Hangouts and What's App. Want good camera editing? Samsung is comparable to Apple (if not, slightly better w/ different modes and features). Want to make phone calls using a reliable signal? Motorola and Blackberry are there. As for specs vs experience, is too much to ask of Apple to not compromise between the two and go to maximize both specs and the experience? Why did it take us so long to get 2GB of RAM in our phones? The 6+ suffered refresh issues due to 1GB of RAM.

Apple's following is too strong for Windows to take over them even if Windows gets a better mobile OS and app store. Apple has it down to maximizing profits, less effort, and living off their brand development that started ages ago.
 
QCassidy352 said:
I don't believe it. I don't believe they will ever sell any iPhone at $225 (full retail). That's playing in the low end of the market, which they've never done in any product category. I also doubt the new iPhone pricing. Well, maybe a 16GB for $500.
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The 5S ain't worth more than $225 so I am not surprised they want to move the remaining stock. They have to. Can't expect people to pay $450 for a 5S.
 
Time Less said:
12 mp camera could be the reason for the camera hump in the lastest leaked schematics. And for those wanted 2 gb of ram I think it's still gonna have 1gb because there's less pixels on SE.
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RAM could make or break people's decisions, especially if their 5S is perfectly fine. Can't go with 1GB of RAM again because it's enough gypping people. If the 6S Plus didn't have 2GB of RAM, I wouldn't have purchased mine.
 
AxoNeuron said:
Really Apple....?

Another 16GB base model...? In the year 2016? The greed is starting to get comical now, like a Benny Hill clip.
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I don't understand this statement. LOTS of people get by just fine with a 16GB model ... LOTS! If you need more storage, they have models with more storage.
 
Max(IT) said:
8 hours of usage on a 4" iPhone? Perfect number I'd say...

In which parallel dimension the iPhone 6 and 6S has "bad" battery life ?

Are you really comparing Moto G or Lumia 635 to ANY iPhone ?
Ok.... Time to move on

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Move on indeed. How about move on down the page where you got the above battery test results. You know, past the results cited for battery life while only Web Browsing on Wifi (i.e., substantially limited-use case) to, say, the very next test - Web Browsing on 4G.

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A little worse, certainly for the 6 and 6S (compared to the short list of other phones Anandtech uses here.) Or maybe just a wee bit further down past that, to the Basemark/GFX sustained load test, arguably more similar to actual real-world usage.


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Now the 6 and 6s (which comprise about 80%-85% of that generation's phone sales, depending on whose numbers you believe) are looking markedly worse. Perhaps this is closer to the performance in the "parallel dimension" Nvizz22 and others are talking about, especially those who think 8 is far from the "perfect number" of hours that a modern smartphone should last on one charge. Those bothersome objective pragmatists!

Start including other phones and more real-world (dimension?) use cases, and the results are less rosy (rosy-gold?)

http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3
http://bgr.com/2014/09/22/iphone-6-vs-iphone-6-plus-battery-life/
http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/smartphones-with-the-best-battery-life/
http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/7200-smartphones-best-battery-life.html
(just a few examples - different and more detailed sources can be found, if you look past what you want the results to be.)

In the parallel dimension I live in, for example, the battery life of that $749 iPhone was so disappointing that I returned it to T-Mobile after 2 weeks of use, at a monetary penalty to me, and bought a outdated, easily pocketable $249 LG G2 so that I wouldn't have to charge the battery more than once a day. And that is exactly what I had to do with the iPhone 6.

And I wanted to keep it.

I'm really, really hoping this SE phone is going to show better battery performance than the 6 and other "regular sized" iPhones, and I'm not going to be pessimistic, but based on the rumor of the 1642mAh battery, I'll still keep my fingers crossed... but I won't be holding my breath.
 
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SteveW928 said:
Oh, I was just reporting on what he said... Apple has a history of saying one thing and doing another on this kind of stuff.

But, I'd argue it's not a great idea as even people on low budgets typically like to use up-to-date software and OSs, which creates a bad user experience, which is bad for Apple's brand reputation. But, as I've said a number of times, I'm not sure the 'new' Apple cares about that much anymore.



I do. And, what does a 4" phone have to do with cost cutting? And, why does Apple have to do anything because carriers drop subsidizing?



Trust doesn't need to involve life and death, but I was just saying what Cook has repeatedly said... and pointing out that Apple/Cook also often say one thing and then do another. So, I don't trust that because he said that, they won't.
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Seems like normal marketing to me and/or to throw the competition. Hopefully, it's not an Madoff or Enron situation.
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T Coma said:
Move on indeed. How about move on down the page where you got the above battery test results. You know, past the results cited for battery life while only Web Browsing on Wifi (i.e., substantially limited-use case) to, say, the very next test - Web Browsing on 4G.

78203.png

A little worse, certainly for the 6 and 6S (compared to the short list of other phones Anandtech uses here.) Or maybe just a wee bit further down past that, to the Basemark/GFX sustained load test, certainly more similar to actual real-world usage.


78206.png

78208.png


Now the 6 and 6s (which comprise about 80%-85% of that generation's phone sales, depending on whose numbers you believe) are looking markedly worse. Perhaps this is closer to the performance in the "parallel dimension" Nvizz22 and others are talking about, especially those who think 8 is far from the "perfect number" of hours that a modern smartphone should last on one charge. Those bothersome objective pragmatists!

Start including other phones and more real-world (dimension?) use cases, and the results are less rosy (rosy-gold?)

http://www.gsmarena.com/battery-test.php3
http://bgr.com/2014/09/22/iphone-6-vs-iphone-6-plus-battery-life/
http://www.consumerreports.org/smartphones/smartphones-with-the-best-battery-life/
http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/7200-smartphones-best-battery-life.html
(just a few examples - different and more detailed sources can be found, if you look past what you want the results to be.)

In the parallel dimension I live in, for example, the battery life of that $749 iPhone was so disappointing that I returned it to T-Mobile after 2 weeks of use, at a monetary penalty to me, and bought a outdated, easily pocketable $249 LG G2 so that I wouldn't have to charge the battery more than once a day. And that is exactly what I had to do with the iPhone 6.

And I wanted to keep it.

I'm really, really hoping this SE phone is going to show better battery performance than the 6 and other "regular sized" iPhones, and I'm not going to be pessimistic, but based on the rumor of the 1642mAh battery, I'll still keep my fingers crossed... but I won't be holding my breath.
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In the parallel dimension you are alluding to my phone lasts the day, that's all I want.
 
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