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New A9-Based 4-Inch iPhone to Replace iPhone 5s, iPhone 6 and 6 Plus

TC03 said:
That's no good argument.

First of all, the iPhone 7 and 6s will also probably start at 16 gb. Those are not entry level devices. Second, iPhones are expensive. The entry level device is almost $700 in pretty much every country outside the USA. So we're talking $700 devices with 16 GB.
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The problem is never as simple as it appears. The strong dollar and high local taxes are what's driving the price of Apple gear higher. If Apple included everything the people on these boards wanted at a price point that's $200 less, why bother having an entry level phone at all? People will always want more for less.

If Apple misjudged, then they'll either add more value or lower the price. My guess is that the vast majority of these users will be very happy with the performance of their phones, not to mention support and OS upgrades. Specs aren't everything. If it were, then no one would be buying flagship Android phones, judging by Anandtech's review of the 6s.
 
I wanted ro pick this up for my sis but if this has 1 GB RAM, I will straight get her a Nexus based device.
 
AppleMark said:
Eh..? To be fair, it was hardly a pathetic upgrade. I skipped the entire 5 generation as it had nothing to add that my 4S could not do as a phone, even when they (ahem.. allegedly..) tried to cripple it with software updates... :eek:

However the iPhone 6, is a much better phone for productivity IMO, in that I can actually [properly..] read and reply to emails on the road and allowed me to dump my iPad mini. I now only need my 11" MBA and a phone when on the move.

Now you could call the 6S a pathetic upgrade and I would not disagree with you.

It is not always all about specs and why Apple do not always seem to care for them in the way some of us do.
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Then we have completely differing views.
 
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djcerla said:
Once the iPhone 7 comes, the 6 will become "their peak aesthetically thus far". Always been, always will be.
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Ummmmm no. If someone considers the 5s to be the peak aesthetically , the 7 will not make them like the 6....which is on its second year ..... It means the person prefers the 5 design .
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Serban said:
wait for ios10
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Ha ha so true. I will not be updating my 5s past iOS 9.....lesson learnt!
 
JimmyHook said:
Quit focusing on specs. That's quite enough for the crowd this is aimed at. Also, the 4 inch screens handled 1 Gb just fine. The only safari issues occurred at higher screen sizes
[doublepost=1453740332][/doublepost]The posters here complaining about 1 gb had zero intentions of buying this phone anyway
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It was not just safari issues, it was crashing apps, random restarts, a bad experience on the 6S. Can't see iOS 10 needing "less" ram.
Every iOS device that has gone to 2 GB has performed better.
 
DTphonehome said:
I went from a 5s to 6s and I'm not crazy about the bigger screen. A lot of times I find myself fumbling to reach a screen element with my thumb (yes, I know about Reachability). I use 3d touch intermittently, but not enough that I can't live without it. I would actually consider "downgrading" to this phone if the specs are decent.
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I also agree had a 5 for 2 yrs then upgraded to the 6s to keep my unlimited data plan with Verizon and avoid the 20.00 a month.

Sometimes it's difficult reaching but it works most times, even almost dropped it a few times something I never did with my 5. The most thing I hate about the 6s is the power button moved to the side. I'm always pressing the volume down when I press the power to turn it off. I do like having 2GB ram and the slighly bigger screen. If the new 4" iPhone could have Apple Pay, 3D Touch and 2 GB ram I'd really consider going down in screen.
 
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If this thing is going to replace the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus...it seems really stupid to call it the iPhone 5se...It is like a downgrade (at least in the name).
 
Karma*Police said:
The problem is never as simple as it appears. The strong dollar and high local taxes are what's driving the price of Apple gear higher. If Apple included everything the people on these boards wanted at a price point that's $200 less, why bother having an entry level phone at all? People will always want more for less.

If Apple misjudged, then they'll either add more value or lower the price. My guess is that the vast majority of these users will be very happy with the performance of their phones, not to mention support and OS upgrades. Specs aren't everything. If it were, then no one would be buying flagship Android phones, judging by Anandtech's review of the 6s.
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Let me cut it down to this:

16 GB devices have a premium price tag yet they have crappy performance.
 
Jsameds said:
It kinda does.

People's main gripe with 1GB was Safari pages refreshing. Now - when you render a webpage it takes up a certain amount of RAM. If the resolution of the display is smaller then it will render it using less RAM.

So, again - What memory issues were people having with 1GB on 4" devices?
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Even if you minimize a web page, literally nothing displayed, it still requires ram (or offloaded to disk) to stay loaded. So no, screen size isn't much of a factor. And very few webpages are designed to asynchronously load content as you scroll down. Most bloated pages load everything into memory when you hit the page, and the bulk of the bloat is not the visual pixels.
 
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For those who say 1GB is "fine." You should watch the youtube video of the guy comparing the safari loadups between tabs on the iphone 6 and 6S. Essentially, pages on the 1GB requires a refresh while the 2GB pages are still there due to the increase in memory storage. I mean, if you have a few seconds to spend to refresh each page each time you tab through, then it's not a problem. If you've never experienced the 2GB, then you would not miss it. However, going from 2GB to 1GB, can be annoying.
 
iZac said:
I clearly live life on the edge :cool:

tbh, I was just fantasising about some sort of glorious renaissance of the iPhone 4.

Although the 6 series is already probably twice as likely to shatter than the 5, since the curved glass edge means that the angle of impact is much more likely to directly hit glass, rather than the little rubber ring the 4 / 5 series used.
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My 4 was *HIGHLY* durable: I can't tell you how many times it feel to the pavement when getting out of the truck, how many times I butterfingered it up into the air without catching it before it hit the asphalt...it was virtually unmarked, over 4 years of that (film protectors front/back, but only that.

Traded it for a 6+, similarly protected; I dropped it ONCE, and the screen was crushed all along the down edge - .5" in, & half the length of the phone...the 6+ is a beautiful, a WONDERFUL phone, but it is NOT the tank the 4 was.

To be fair, my wife ruined the screen on her 4s, but she's better at ruining things than anyone I've ever known. She could give children lessons....
 
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AppleMark said:
Eh..? To be fair, it was hardly a pathetic upgrade. I skipped the entire 5 generation as it had nothing to add that my 4S could not do as a phone, even when they (ahem.. allegedly..) tried to cripple it with software updates... :eek:

However the iPhone 6, is a much better phone for productivity IMO, in that I can actually [properly..] read and reply to emails on the road and allowed me to dump my iPad mini. I now only need my 11" MBA and a phone when on the move.

Now you could call the 6S a pathetic upgrade and I would not disagree with you.

It is not always all about specs and why Apple do not always seem to care for them in the way some of us do.
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The 6S is a much better phone than the 6. It probably isn't worth a 1-year upgrade, but if you're using anything less than a 6, you'd be foolish to not just go for the 6S - much better camera, 4K video recording, 2 vs 1 RAM, better fingerprint sensor, etc. Check out thewirecutter.com recommendation...
 
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Deuce on the Clock said:
If you call a fix 2 1/2 years later along the way then okay then. Communication among teams at Apple is the core issue. Hardware and software teams do not play nice together. Add the rush to market for the investors and you leave glaring gaps as we have seen lately with iOS and hardware issues. QA testing is rushed and virtually non existent. You cannot eradicate all bugs as you state I agree. But knowing what has happened behind the scenes about glitches and bugs, I can tell you its not the same quality software and hardware that it could be due to the bottom line. Its about making money at all cost above quality then blame it on the consumer if something doesn't work correctly until its proven to be a bug or glitch.
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Knowing many on both the hardware and software teams, I can say that they do work fairly closely on much of their work. You wouldn't have a product integrated as iOS is with the iPhone hardware if it wasn't for those teams working together.

Complain about bottom line and rush to market all you like but that's how all public companies operate. They have to. Apple does a far better job than most at addressing issues and working to resolve them.
 
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troy14 said:
I "downgraded" from my 6 that I was using for ~11 months to a 5S about 2 months ago. Love having the 4" back.
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I can understand this. When I jumped from 4 to 6+, i LOVED everything about it, including the size.

After several months though, I had to admit that even my big mitts would be more comfortable with the svelte 6 than the burly Plus.
 
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