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New G4 iBooks
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I don't not want the PB to go G5, although having just got a new PB G4 there is buyer remorse if they occur too soon
Only kidding! I think they will come but probably later than everyone says but I could be wrong. I don't think these iBook updates mean anything significant for the PB timeline, there's a bigger difference between the iBook and PowerBook at present than most people seem to think.
Check your dictionary
From Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 11th Edition (and http://merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary)
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Irregardless isn't a word.
From Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 11th Edition (and http://merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary)
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
Re: Panther
Yes. When I bought my 800 MHz ibook, I used it's installer to put Jaguar on our CRT imac and went fine. Of course that would be illegal, and I immediately removed it from the imacs HD.
What if the Powerbook CAN'T go G5 right now. What if Johnny Ive just can't for the life of him figure how to make a G5 in a laptop under 128°?
just ordered my iBook G4
No matter how you look at it, these new iBook are an UPGRADE, and I'm upgrading from an iBook G3.
First, let's look at what I bought for $1200 (edu):
800 MHz G4
133 MHz bus
DDR RAM
60 GB HDD
Airport Extreme
Bluetooth
USB 2.0
Radeon 9200M
OS X 10.3
50 W-Hr/6 Hr battery
(remember the AlBook 1.25 G4 only has a 45 W-Hr battery!)
compare this with my iBook G3 ($1240):
800 MHz G3
100 MHz bus
SDR RAM
30 GB HDD
Airport
USB 1.1
Radeon 7500M
OS X 10.2
46 W-Hr/5 Hr battery
First you might say, no big deal, G4 is not that much faster than G3 at the same MHz. This has been true for a long time but I think with OS X 10.3 coming, the advantage of G4 is going to become more obvious. Secondly, we are seeing more and more consumer devices supporting USB 2.0, speedwise it's a significant upgrade from USB 1.1. Third, I get 10.3 for "free". Fourth, I love the battery life my iBook, Apple is improving it even more! The iBook is the LONGEST lasting computer on the road. If you carry your computer around all the time like me, it's a BIG deal. Finally, I want to say that 12'' PB has its place and people who bought it shouldn't feel bad about their decision. Personally, I buy the computing power I need, not what I want (plus I'm poor), the iBook G4 is perfect for me. Using car analogy, I think of the old iBook G3 has a Toyota Camery I4, the iBook G4 as a new model Toyota Camery V6, and the 12'' PB as a Lexus ES 300. It's all about maximizing your marginal return.
No matter how you look at it, these new iBook are an UPGRADE, and I'm upgrading from an iBook G3.
First, let's look at what I bought for $1200 (edu):
800 MHz G4
133 MHz bus
DDR RAM
60 GB HDD
Airport Extreme
Bluetooth
USB 2.0
Radeon 9200M
OS X 10.3
50 W-Hr/6 Hr battery
(remember the AlBook 1.25 G4 only has a 45 W-Hr battery!)
compare this with my iBook G3 ($1240):
800 MHz G3
100 MHz bus
SDR RAM
30 GB HDD
Airport
USB 1.1
Radeon 7500M
OS X 10.2
46 W-Hr/5 Hr battery
First you might say, no big deal, G4 is not that much faster than G3 at the same MHz. This has been true for a long time but I think with OS X 10.3 coming, the advantage of G4 is going to become more obvious. Secondly, we are seeing more and more consumer devices supporting USB 2.0, speedwise it's a significant upgrade from USB 1.1. Third, I get 10.3 for "free". Fourth, I love the battery life my iBook, Apple is improving it even more! The iBook is the LONGEST lasting computer on the road. If you carry your computer around all the time like me, it's a BIG deal. Finally, I want to say that 12'' PB has its place and people who bought it shouldn't feel bad about their decision. Personally, I buy the computing power I need, not what I want (plus I'm poor), the iBook G4 is perfect for me. Using car analogy, I think of the old iBook G3 has a Toyota Camery I4, the iBook G4 as a new model Toyota Camery V6, and the 12'' PB as a Lexus ES 300. It's all about maximizing your marginal return.
You just used a sentence fragment. Next time you decide to play grammar nazi, please be willing to take it as well as you can dish it out...
I'm just kidding. It's just annoying to me to see people waste a post complaining about things which are insignificant. As long as you can understand the concept he was trying to get across, there's no need to correct people unnecessarily.
Just so I'm on-topic: I think I may skip the $2500 1.25 G4-PowerBook purchase and just buy a G4-iBook to tide me over until the G5 PowerBook is out next year sometime. There is no sense in paying $2500 now just to be drooling over another $2500 computer I want next year... It makes much more sense to save money.
A G5 Powerbook is do-able.
I don't have time to comp it up right now, but I figure it's about 6 inches tall, has 7 cooling zones, a perfed metal front and a Zero Halliburton suitcase handle on the side for portability.
I don't have time to comp it up right now, but I figure it's about 6 inches tall, has 7 cooling zones, a perfed metal front and a Zero Halliburton suitcase handle on the side for portability.
Re: Re: Panther
This was not true of my G4 MDD dual 1 GHz. When I could not find the original Jaguar CD for a work computer, I used my home Jaguar CD that came with my MDD. It worked just fine. However, the software restore CD's were computer model specific. This installed classic amongst other things.
This was not true of my G4 MDD dual 1 GHz. When I could not find the original Jaguar CD for a work computer, I used my home Jaguar CD that came with my MDD. It worked just fine. However, the software restore CD's were computer model specific. This installed classic amongst other things.
Re: suggestion
1.4ghz Centrino
256 mb RAM
14" SXGA+ (1400x1050)
30gb Drive
Add:
CD/RW + DVD (Combo Drive)
TrueMobile 1300 Card (Airport Extreme)
Free router (Airport Extreme basestation)
Price goes to $1517 - $200 rebate = $1317 - $100 coupon ( 951F40158E42 ) = $1217
The 12" iBook model (chosen as the cheapest offered) with the AE card is $1198, doesn't come with free shipping, and doesn't include a free wireless router. And its quite a bit slower, and has lower resolution. It is available with Mac OS X however, which is its saving grace. Don't forget to compare street price to street price. You could add $200 to the Apple to get the 14" version (still lower res, and the Dell has 1024x768 as a no cost option), the Dell price would go up by $59 for the larger hard drive.
So you've got fairly comparable offerings and prices, with a significantly faster CPU on the Dell (yes, really) and the convenience of Panther on the Apple. Your choice now depends more on your specific needs (number crunching/performance vs. more casual frequent OS interaction and/or hatred of Windows) - the price premium for the Apple is within 10-20% or so.
-Richard
Well, on a price standpoint they're starting to compare. For example, take a look at This Dell:
1.4ghz Centrino
256 mb RAM
14" SXGA+ (1400x1050)
30gb Drive
Add:
CD/RW + DVD (Combo Drive)
TrueMobile 1300 Card (Airport Extreme)
Free router (Airport Extreme basestation)
Price goes to $1517 - $200 rebate = $1317 - $100 coupon ( 951F40158E42 ) = $1217
The 12" iBook model (chosen as the cheapest offered) with the AE card is $1198, doesn't come with free shipping, and doesn't include a free wireless router. And its quite a bit slower, and has lower resolution. It is available with Mac OS X however, which is its saving grace. Don't forget to compare street price to street price. You could add $200 to the Apple to get the 14" version (still lower res, and the Dell has 1024x768 as a no cost option), the Dell price would go up by $59 for the larger hard drive.
So you've got fairly comparable offerings and prices, with a significantly faster CPU on the Dell (yes, really) and the convenience of Panther on the Apple. Your choice now depends more on your specific needs (number crunching/performance vs. more casual frequent OS interaction and/or hatred of Windows) - the price premium for the Apple is within 10-20% or so.
-Richard
Re: Re: Heat and Battery Life?
No
Originally posted by sethypoo
Yes, but wouldn't plastic absorb and dissipate the heat a little better than the aluminium on the PowerBook's?
No
Well, for that $100, you're going from a G3 to a G4, CD-ROM drive to a combo drive, 128MB RAM to 256MB, Airport wireless capability up to Airport Extreme, Radeon 7500 to 9200, etc, etc. It's well worth the $100 "increase" although really it's more like a $200 decrease from the old G3/900 combo drive iBook. And if you still want a CD-ROM based model, you can get that through the educational store for $949. But I for one am glad Apple has gone with at least combo drives across the board for all systems now.
ech. I dont like the new default background on panther. It looks too much like the original one
Okay smart boy, but I have both next to me, every day, and in EVERYDAY use, the TiBook is faster.
Faster in the finder, faster in all apps, perhaps not for gamers, but I don't play games on them.
I'm only telling it as I see it.
Re: Re: suggestion
Thanks for the above...however, being anovice in regrads to much of the tech stuff...will the 12" IBook suit me well for email and for surfing? I do like the 12 inch size (so does my wife!)
Thanks for the above...however, being anovice in regrads to much of the tech stuff...will the 12" IBook suit me well for email and for surfing? I do like the 12 inch size (so does my wife!)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: hmmm
With an LCD it actually takes more effort to simulate a lower-than-native resolution than to actually display the native rez.
Originally posted by dho
jettredmont:
Thanks for setting me straight.
Also, Steve might have just found a new way to spoof battery life.
"They don't need to know the chip was under-clocked to 400mhz and has the screen completely dimmed and set to 640*480 "
With an LCD it actually takes more effort to simulate a lower-than-native resolution than to actually display the native rez.
Re: max memory?
I was just about to point that out until i read your post. Obviously, it means that the Ibooks, with 128mb of inbuilt RAM soldered to the board, can accomidate the new 1gb RAM chips (very expensive!!!!) for a max of 1.2gb (well, more like 1.25gb). Apple, however, will only offer BTO up to 640mb.
I was just about to point that out until i read your post. Obviously, it means that the Ibooks, with 128mb of inbuilt RAM soldered to the board, can accomidate the new 1gb RAM chips (very expensive!!!!) for a max of 1.2gb (well, more like 1.25gb). Apple, however, will only offer BTO up to 640mb.
If the iBook gets a G4, AP Extreme, DDR RAM, slot loading drive, etc., then Apple should give the AlBook 12-inch Firewire 800 and Gigabit Ethernet...like, RIGHT NOW! I believe that the next Powerbook "12-inch" revision would come with another G4 w/ L3 cache (I have no clue about the 15-inch and the 17-inch) so I would wait and continue using the iBook 800 (Panther would speed it up, right?) until the next rev. of the PowerBook.
Re: Re: hmmm
Actually, it is. Here's a run-down...
From the PowerMac G4 tech specs:
From the PowerMac G5 tech specs:
From the PowerBook tech specs:
From the iMac tech specs:
From the eMac tech specs:
And, finally, the only G4 that doesn't mention the velocity engine, from the new iBook tech specs:
Now, I'm not saying that this necessarily means anything. Indeed, it appears that the iBook and the eMac are running on the same processor (other specs appearing equivalent). However, until someone gets a first-hand look at the new iBooks, I don't think that anyone is in a position to say "IT IS THIS WAY, SO GET OVER IT", or "IT ISN'T THAT WAY, SO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT".
Just my two cents worth... if that...
Actually, it is. Here's a run-down...
From the PowerMac G4 tech specs:
From the PowerMac G5 tech specs:
From the PowerBook tech specs:
From the iMac tech specs:
From the eMac tech specs:
And, finally, the only G4 that doesn't mention the velocity engine, from the new iBook tech specs:
Now, I'm not saying that this necessarily means anything. Indeed, it appears that the iBook and the eMac are running on the same processor (other specs appearing equivalent). However, until someone gets a first-hand look at the new iBooks, I don't think that anyone is in a position to say "IT IS THIS WAY, SO GET OVER IT", or "IT ISN'T THAT WAY, SO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT".
Just my two cents worth... if that...