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New G4 iBooks
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Re: Re: max memory?
Thanks, I thought it was only semi-obvious
, just because it seems like "support for only 640MB" is being constantly mentioned as a difference between the iBooks and Powerbooks. The 1 GB SO-DIMM from Crucial is $489, it appears. If max memeory was such a concern then the 2 slots of the Powerbook will reduce the price differential quite a bit.
Thanks, I thought it was only semi-obvious
, just because it seems like "support for only 640MB" is being constantly mentioned as a difference between the iBooks and Powerbooks. The 1 GB SO-DIMM from Crucial is $489, it appears. If max memeory was such a concern then the 2 slots of the Powerbook will reduce the price differential quite a bit.I agree. With the educational discount I could have bought a 14" ibook for less than the Rev. A 12" Powerbook. I still love my Powerbook, but this sucks.
iBook == Consumer =/ CHEAP!
Yes, these new G4-based iBooks are great. And they're priced great, too. But I hate how Apple always alienates such a huge part of their potential userbase by dropping older, slower hardware from their lineups. I want a portable Mac to use as a secondary computer to my tower. And that means I don't want to spend more than 600, 700 dollars on it. I want it to use almost in the same way I would use a PDA, only be able to do real work on it (Office, Quicken, iTunes, etc.). That means I have no use for Altivec - even if the whole OS is faster. I just want a cheap Mac. Right now, Apple is selling the G3 iBook in the Education site for $900. The G4 iBook sells there for only $50 more, and has the better video card, DDR ram, not to mention the G4. So Apple could have easily set the price of the G3 iBook closer to $700 and still pulled a HUGE profit. And people like me might actually but one. Now, I'm stuck looking at Dells, cause I only have so much money to spend, and $1000 is a few hundred too much. Or more likely than not, I'll end up sitting with what I have for another year until I win the lottery.
The iPod is the same way - if Apple would just offer a cheaper version, they would be selling a TON more!
Yes, these new G4-based iBooks are great. And they're priced great, too. But I hate how Apple always alienates such a huge part of their potential userbase by dropping older, slower hardware from their lineups. I want a portable Mac to use as a secondary computer to my tower. And that means I don't want to spend more than 600, 700 dollars on it. I want it to use almost in the same way I would use a PDA, only be able to do real work on it (Office, Quicken, iTunes, etc.). That means I have no use for Altivec - even if the whole OS is faster. I just want a cheap Mac. Right now, Apple is selling the G3 iBook in the Education site for $900. The G4 iBook sells there for only $50 more, and has the better video card, DDR ram, not to mention the G4. So Apple could have easily set the price of the G3 iBook closer to $700 and still pulled a HUGE profit. And people like me might actually but one. Now, I'm stuck looking at Dells, cause I only have so much money to spend, and $1000 is a few hundred too much. Or more likely than not, I'll end up sitting with what I have for another year until I win the lottery.
The iPod is the same way - if Apple would just offer a cheaper version, they would be selling a TON more!
How do you think product tiers are created? Companies don't build completely different models for each price point from the ground up. They contrust a top tier model and then remove features to create lower priced models. Go look at any tiered product be it computers, cars, or TVs and the lower end products will almost always just be "crippled", as you put it, versions of the higher end products.
Lethal
My bet is that it has the new 750 from IBM. Apple can call it whatever they want.
Who amoung us will be so brave as to open an iBook up?
Who amoung us will be so brave as to open an iBook up?
still underpowered
i still don't understand why Apple has to punish users for wanting a small form factor. Every time Apple comes out with one of these, they always cripple the small machine with stupid limitations. It goes for both the 12" Ibooks and the 12" AlBook. I would be very willing to pay a premium for having a more powerful processor in my powerbook. While the 17" is badass and I love it, the 12" is a much more useful machine for me and it just pisses me off that its always underpowered. This is a trend that Apple has followed ever since the days of the Duo. If they wanted to really make a bang, they should make a 12" AlBook with a 1.33 processor and radeon 9600 mobility, dammit! I would be willing to pay a much higher price point for a machine with that kind of power. sure, there would likely be more heat issues, so that is a technological hurdle, but seriously! there is no reason for this! Make a 12" AlBook with 1.33 and radeon 9600, capable of holding at least 1GB of RAM, and a superdrive. (and for the cherry on top, backlit keyboard) That would be worth $2700 or so to me. I just don't get why Apple has to punish the real power-users (isn't this what they're trying to turn us all into? Doesn't it occur to them that as cool as they are, some people simply don't need 17" of screen space when traveling with a laptop?) And of course, let's not mention the regular crippling of the small laptop with glaring, idiotic omissions, like the lack of L3 cache in the Rev A 12" alBook.... what the ****???? I know that there has to be a portion of the market that wants these... I sure do. I want a badass powerbook that's going to fit in my bag, not a gigantic behemoth that has to go in it's own special case so even more people can go, "hey, let's mug that guy and take his 17" powerbook..." when it could easily be hiding in my run-down, nasty P.O.S. army bag from the Surplus Store that even a bum would think twice about taking.
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i still don't understand why Apple has to punish users for wanting a small form factor. Every time Apple comes out with one of these, they always cripple the small machine with stupid limitations. It goes for both the 12" Ibooks and the 12" AlBook. I would be very willing to pay a premium for having a more powerful processor in my powerbook. While the 17" is badass and I love it, the 12" is a much more useful machine for me and it just pisses me off that its always underpowered. This is a trend that Apple has followed ever since the days of the Duo. If they wanted to really make a bang, they should make a 12" AlBook with a 1.33 processor and radeon 9600 mobility, dammit! I would be willing to pay a much higher price point for a machine with that kind of power. sure, there would likely be more heat issues, so that is a technological hurdle, but seriously! there is no reason for this! Make a 12" AlBook with 1.33 and radeon 9600, capable of holding at least 1GB of RAM, and a superdrive. (and for the cherry on top, backlit keyboard) That would be worth $2700 or so to me. I just don't get why Apple has to punish the real power-users (isn't this what they're trying to turn us all into? Doesn't it occur to them that as cool as they are, some people simply don't need 17" of screen space when traveling with a laptop?) And of course, let's not mention the regular crippling of the small laptop with glaring, idiotic omissions, like the lack of L3 cache in the Rev A 12" alBook.... what the ****???? I know that there has to be a portion of the market that wants these... I sure do. I want a badass powerbook that's going to fit in my bag, not a gigantic behemoth that has to go in it's own special case so even more people can go, "hey, let's mug that guy and take his 17" powerbook..." when it could easily be hiding in my run-down, nasty P.O.S. army bag from the Surplus Store that even a bum would think twice about taking.
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Amen Bro
The 12" with the top of the line spec would sell like crazy in Japan and for people that want ultracompacts. I think it would sell for more, frankly. I for one, hate the 14" iBook.
14" notebooks are the value segment. This iBook has to compete with crappy plastic Athlon notebooks that run circles around the iBook in absolute terms for way less money. Smaller is suppoed to cost more.
The iBook smokes the Sony 505 series in form factor.
Go to Dynamism.com to see what epople are prepared to pay for fast ultra slims.
Anyone can make a 17" portable brick. Prices for good ultra-slims have always been higher. They have higher prestige value. Executive notebooks is what I think they are often referred to.
The 12" with the top of the line spec would sell like crazy in Japan and for people that want ultracompacts. I think it would sell for more, frankly. I for one, hate the 14" iBook.
14" notebooks are the value segment. This iBook has to compete with crappy plastic Athlon notebooks that run circles around the iBook in absolute terms for way less money. Smaller is suppoed to cost more.
The iBook smokes the Sony 505 series in form factor.
Go to Dynamism.com to see what epople are prepared to pay for fast ultra slims.
Anyone can make a 17" portable brick. Prices for good ultra-slims have always been higher. They have higher prestige value. Executive notebooks is what I think they are often referred to.
g3 extinct
Guess ibook release makes the G3 processor generally extinct.
no more G3 machines right?
Guess ibook release makes the G3 processor generally extinct.
no more G3 machines right?
Originally posted by sethwerkheiser
Wow. We just bought our 900mhz G3 in May for $1299, and now a 800mhz G4 is just $1099. That's okay, the wife can have the older one, I'll get a G4
When you do, make sure to do some side-to-side speed tests
"All G4's have Velocity Engine"--Apple
To quinch further rumors. I just called Apple for a direct clarification regarding whether the new iBook G4 has a velocity engine. The answer is "Yes, all G4's have velocity engine." 'Nuf said.
But they wouldn't tell me if the G4 is a 7455 or a 7457. I really wish it's the low powered version of 7447. It's the perfect chip for the iBook.
To quinch further rumors. I just called Apple for a direct clarification regarding whether the new iBook G4 has a velocity engine. The answer is "Yes, all G4's have velocity engine." 'Nuf said.
But they wouldn't tell me if the G4 is a 7455 or a 7457. I really wish it's the low powered version of 7447. It's the perfect chip for the iBook.
Not a bad update. Not a great one either though.
I think apple needs to get their prices down though.
scem0
I think apple needs to get their prices down though.
scem0
A few remarks
- Could it be that the velocity engine is not mentioned anymore because all Apple computers now have it? It is not a feature that distinguishes one computer from another anymore.
- All those doing price comparisons between PCs and Macs, why don't you include the cost of these small upgrades that a necessary to bring a PC at least somewhat closer in terms of software. I am not an expert on Windows software, but would it not be fairer to compare XP Professional (instead of Home) with Mac OS X, same for iPhoto etc.
It's fine to say a PC is cheaper but Mac OS X is better, but what about saying a PC plus some additional software is only a little bit cheaper than a Mac, but is still beaten in terms of software/OS by Mac OS X?
- I know it is not the same, but the really low-end Macs are used Macs (not that used Macs would be really cheap).
- Could it be that the velocity engine is not mentioned anymore because all Apple computers now have it? It is not a feature that distinguishes one computer from another anymore.
- All those doing price comparisons between PCs and Macs, why don't you include the cost of these small upgrades that a necessary to bring a PC at least somewhat closer in terms of software. I am not an expert on Windows software, but would it not be fairer to compare XP Professional (instead of Home) with Mac OS X, same for iPhoto etc.
It's fine to say a PC is cheaper but Mac OS X is better, but what about saying a PC plus some additional software is only a little bit cheaper than a Mac, but is still beaten in terms of software/OS by Mac OS X?
- I know it is not the same, but the really low-end Macs are used Macs (not that used Macs would be really cheap).
Re: still underpowered
It maybe due to the lack of space, which would cause heat problems.
The 12's are really tiny!!
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It maybe due to the lack of space, which would cause heat problems.
The 12's are really tiny!!
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Here's an interesting note...
iBook, 12", bluetooth, 60GB, airportX etc.
960 pounds (w/edu discount)
Same thing on the US apple store with NO discount...
780 pounds.
You can almost get to NYC and pick one up for the same price, and the warranty is international so it makes no difference.
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iBook, 12", bluetooth, 60GB, airportX etc.
960 pounds (w/edu discount)
Same thing on the US apple store with NO discount...
780 pounds.
You can almost get to NYC and pick one up for the same price, and the warranty is international so it makes no difference.
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THPS 4!
This is new, isn't it?
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4 is part of the software bundle. Cool.
I imagine this means the game runs nice at native resolution. I am really starting to like this machine.
OS X, iLife, and even the ability to play some games. All at a good price.
This is new, isn't it?
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4 is part of the software bundle. Cool.
I imagine this means the game runs nice at native resolution. I am really starting to like this machine.
OS X, iLife, and even the ability to play some games. All at a good price.
Has anyone noticed that on the 14" build-to-order options, you can replace the combo with a CD-ROM drive (takes the price down £80) but you can't on the 12" model. Seems like a strange option, considering as I earlier commented on the fact that today saw the end of the CD-ROM-only Mac being sold.
I think this is what I am going to get:
256MB DDR266 SDRAM (128MB built-in & 128MB SO-DIMM)
60GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme Card
Bluetooth Module
Keyboard/Mac OS X - U.S. English
12-inch TFT XGA display
800MHz PowerPC G4
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 w/ 32MB DDR video memory
Subtotal $1,835.00 CDN
256MB DDR266 SDRAM (128MB built-in & 128MB SO-DIMM)
60GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
AirPort Extreme Card
Bluetooth Module
Keyboard/Mac OS X - U.S. English
12-inch TFT XGA display
800MHz PowerPC G4
ATI Mobility Radeon 9200 w/ 32MB DDR video memory
Subtotal $1,835.00 CDN