I installed Leopard on my not-that-old-at-all 12" G4 Powerbook (1.5ghz/1.25gigs RAM) and it ran very very poorly. Went back to Tiger and the computer soars now! I'm not really angry about it though. Leopard is great on the Intel Macs and G5's.
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I installed Leopard on my not-that-old-at-all 12" G4 Powerbook (1.5ghz/1.25gigs RAM) and it ran very very poorly. Went back to Tiger and the computer soars now! I'm not really angry about it though. Leopard is great on the Intel Macs and G5's.
I disagree....
Apple is doing the right thing with this latest round of commercials. You have to strike while the iron is hot, as they say. Apple is in a really strong position right now, vs. their Microsoft OS competition - and it's a position they really haven't been in for the last decade or more. Their stock is worth a lot right now, their sales are up, their new OS was just released to very good reviews. It all comes at the same time the rest of the industry's sales are in a slump, the newest Microsoft OS is generally considered a failure, and many Windows users are disgruntled and wondering what alternatives they have.
Commercials are only 30 second chances to get someone's attention and make them consider your product. You can't really "educate" them on why your product is better in that short a time. You can show off one or two "gee whiz" features that have visual impact, at best. (That's what the iPhone ads try to do.) By contrast, you CAN run a series of commercials that people get familiar seeing and recognize as being ads for your company's products. Add a little humor, plus a promise you have a better solution than "brand X" the customer currently uses, and you can go a long way.
Apple is doing the right thing with this latest round of commercials. You have to strike while the iron is hot, as they say. Apple is in a really strong position right now, vs. their Microsoft OS competition - and it's a position they really haven't been in for the last decade or more. Their stock is worth a lot right now, their sales are up, their new OS was just released to very good reviews. It all comes at the same time the rest of the industry's sales are in a slump, the newest Microsoft OS is generally considered a failure, and many Windows users are disgruntled and wondering what alternatives they have.
Commercials are only 30 second chances to get someone's attention and make them consider your product. You can't really "educate" them on why your product is better in that short a time. You can show off one or two "gee whiz" features that have visual impact, at best. (That's what the iPhone ads try to do.) By contrast, you CAN run a series of commercials that people get familiar seeing and recognize as being ads for your company's products. Add a little humor, plus a promise you have a better solution than "brand X" the customer currently uses, and you can go a long way.
Well believe it or not, that is not true... I have shown little things to people in my office that actually get annoyed with all the Mac vs. PC talk and had no interest in Macs and in less than 30 Seconds had them all wowed thank you
Well that's really stupid if your office colleagues don't like a computer because the company's ads appear condescending to the competition. Your colleagues need to remove the stick up their butt.
I think this ad is brilliant. Businesses have IT departments to decide what OS will be used, and it's going to be MS for a good long while. Apple's target isn't office machines, it's people who work in offices that want something "smart" and "cool" and "easy" when they get home at the end of the day.
First, calm down.
Second, you are delusional if you think iWork is even close to MS Office for other than simple "change font type" tasks. iWork at this point would be best compared to MS WordPad -- which iWork clearly is superior.
iWork can't even compete against Corel Suite in terms of functionality for power users. For simple usage, sure iWork is fine. For example, anyone who uses Excel (or QuatroPro) for heavy number "crunching" chuckles at Numbers when comparing necessary functionality.
I'm hardly a Windows fan, but this statement clearly needs refuting. Comparing iWork to Office (both of which I use regularly) isn't appropriate. Keynote is much better than Powerpoint, now that motion paths have been incorporated. Pages and Word are a wash for me; I prefer the look of Pages, as well as the way it handles graphics, though the speed when documents get large leaves something to be desired. We have some special requirements at work which take advantage of the bookmarks feature of Word to automatically generate documents with external .dll calls, which is admittedly pretty specialized.
The big difference is Excel vs. Numbers. Excel is clearly more mature, though I think Numbers is off to a pretty good start. Until the macro programming (or VBA for Excel) is more robust, as well as the ability to query external databases for data retrieval and analysis, Excel will remain de rigueur for sophisticated environments.
I have Vista and I have Leopard. The only OS I had to downgrade from was Apple's piece of crap OS. Keyboard freezing all the time, poor performance. Awful. Back to Tiger until Apple fixes their crap. The irony of them ripping on Vista is just too funny considering how bad their new OS is. As far as touting "intuitive" software, that's a joke. The included multimedia software packages included in Vista blow iLife's crappy suite of software away. I like my Mac, but it's clearly the Wii of computing. Made for babies, grandmothers, and people that don't know a damn thing about computing.
So which one are you?
The baby or the person that doesn't know a damn thing about computers?
I'm guessing the later, after reading your post.
Either way I'm happy to hear that you do like your Wii, oops I meant to say Mac.
While I don't entirely agree with a lot of what you're saying, I can understand where you're coming from. To be honest, Apple is aiming its effort more and more at the "coffee house" crowd and less at the low to mid professional and higher end consumer markets that used to be their bread and butter.
FACE IT! Macs still do EVERYTHING better than PCs. ...
PC/Microsoft loyalists. They really are a special breed of *******.
Long Live Mac.
Wow. What was that we were just saying about pots and kettles?
Your post is about the worst possible way to argue that Windows and PC users are blind "loyalists".
I use Windows at work (and run xterms into Unix boxes) and Mac OS X at home. Both get the work done. Both work well. Neither are perfect by any stretch.
Easter Egg
Check the print screen of the supposed "white " easter egg here:
http://www.diogopeixoto.com/2007/11/12/new-get-a-mac-tv-ad-is-bugged-or-not/
Check the print screen of the supposed "white
" easter egg here:http://www.diogopeixoto.com/2007/11/12/new-get-a-mac-tv-ad-is-bugged-or-not/
When will our culture get past the use of blatantly racist phrases such as this?
Using the phrase implies agreement that there must be something wrong with being "black".
When will certain people in our culture stop playing the race card? "Pot calling the kettle Black" has not ONE thing to do with race or implying that anything is wrong with its color. The ONLY thing that it implies is that someone/something is compared to someone/something that has similar characteristics.
idiot...
Back on Topic.. I thought I was at a mac site? I am truly surprised at all the negative feedback towards these commercials. I think they are great. There isn't enough time in a 30 second clip to show the features of Leopard AND hold peoples attention. It's MUCH easier to do what Apple is doing and get people to laugh while at the same time peaking their interest. Like another poster said, the Apple stores and the website are for showing off the features. The commercials only purpose is to get people curious and get them TO the website or a physical Apple store.
Humor Sells! (sex does too, but that really doesn't apply here.... although...... maybe Apple should loo...nevermind)
Check the print screen of the supposed "white
http://www.diogopeixoto.com/2007/11/12/new-get-a-mac-tv-ad-is-bugged-or-not/
I think it was a graphical slip up
Doubt it's a new iMac model. Why would Apple include a white Apple when the black one looks so great with the rest of the computer? It just sticks out like a sore thumb.
I think one of the graphic designers just got mixed up.
I really don't mean to be obstinate about this, but just because it's not offensive to you doesn't mean one is simply being "politically correct" for pointing out that it is offensive to others. Try to think about things from someone else's perspective for a change.
Obviously the pot is calling the kettle black because it's considered an insult to be called black - get it?
So which one are you?
The baby or the person that doesn't know a damn thing about computers?
I'm guessing the later, after reading your post.
Either way I'm happy to hear that you do like your Wii, oops I meant to say Mac.
Wow, that was a good one!
That other poster Skyehill dissed himself into his own stupid rant. thank you
thanks for posting this... it's ridiculous when somebody doesn't know what they are saying but want to bag on apple.
the screen issues is that the ipod touch had a negative black screen (the screen appeared a little more black) in a few ipods. apple fixed that i believe a week and a half (or sooner) after it was noticed.
thanks for posting this... it's ridiculous when somebody doesn't know what they are saying but want to bag on apple.
the screen issues is that the ipod touch had a negative black screen (the screen appeared a little more black) in a few ipods. apple fixed that i believe a week and a half (or sooner) after it was noticed.
will everyone please stop with this wasted, innacurate explanation?
FACE IT! Macs still do EVERYTHING better than PCs. Yes, even spreadsheets and games, even if they have to be running windows while they play them!
iWork is so much better than office, its ignorant to say anything else. its just too bad that our corporate infrastructures are built on microsoft's crappy software.
there is no happily ever after. Windows is just a ******** piece of software by virtue and principal. You can't be "a windows person", that means you are just a narrow minded **** who somehow is able to point out the typically illogical workflows and tasks of windows as their familiar proccesses, therefore making them "better" despite that obviously not being true and despite the fact that the same tasks are most likely much simpler in OS X.
i hate that logic so much. Being used to the way windows works is NOT an excuse to not want a mac.
that's like saying I'm used to having my rights trampled on by Bush so i'll just vote for him again.
and for those who say they will be loyal to windows just because they supposedly have "more control over there computer" and can "customize the interface" (again, both discredited! ie Terminal, Shapeshifter), that is not a valid way of telling other people that a PC is a better choice. Normal people want the computer/software company to keep that end solid for them in the background, neatly sealed under the hood so it doesn't get in the way. Sometimes messing with these micro-settings and nerd controls is mandatory to get something to work right in Windows, and coupled with the endless search for drivers, working on a PC makes me want to instantaneously PUKE. psuedo-features like that only matter to PC dorks like you- the Windows Loyalist! not to anyone that actually has real-world responsibilities and accomplishments other than upholding their legacy as an MMORPG character in an imaginary online universe.
PC/Microsoft loyalists. They really are a special breed of *******.
Long Live Mac.
a little bit angry sounding but very true. i still think that the anti mac postings are either steve ballmer posting in here or bill gates or one their buddies.
Obviously you have never worked with either a pot or a kettle on an open flame.
The pot is calling the kettle BLACK because the kettle has been BLACKENED by soot over an open flame. (As has the pot!)
Alternate explanation: Pots and kettles were made of cast iron. Now, what color is cast iron???
I can't tell if you are being facetious, intentionally disingenuous or just plain obtuse.
re: Downgrade required?
Your statement makes you sound like somebody with little to no patience, or willingness to work through problems. (And there are PLENTY of people like that out there, but frankly, computers and technology don't mix well with these traits. They likely never will.)
If you went from Tiger to Leopard and ran into your keyboard freezing up, that's clearly not normal or typical of Leopard. I'd say you probably did an "upgrade" installation vs. a clean installation or an "archive and install", and the upgrade process encountered some issues. Maybe you had some 3rd. party software "hack" on the machine that Leopard wasn't handling well during the upgrade? Slow performance? Same kind of thing. Leopard should feel "about the same speed" as Tiger on any Mac that meets Apple's list of minimum requirements. On an Intel Mac, it should feel at least slightly faster than Tiger.
I own 2 Macs which I've upgraded to Leopard from Tiger, plus I've done the upgrade on a friend's white Intel-based iMac, and all 3 upgrades were big successes. No issues at all in any of the 3 cases, other than a few shareware programs requiring updates to the latest version for Leopard compatibility.
I'd take Apple being the "wii of computing" as more of a compliment than the derogatory statement you seem to be trying to make it into. That's exactly the point of Apple products. Build things that the "general public" can get use out of, instead of packing in as many features as possible, regardless of how unfriendly or confusing it might make the end result. The wii interested a whole new segement of society with the idea of playing video games, and did it while keeping the price point lower than the competition.
Your statement makes you sound like somebody with little to no patience, or willingness to work through problems. (And there are PLENTY of people like that out there, but frankly, computers and technology don't mix well with these traits. They likely never will.)
If you went from Tiger to Leopard and ran into your keyboard freezing up, that's clearly not normal or typical of Leopard. I'd say you probably did an "upgrade" installation vs. a clean installation or an "archive and install", and the upgrade process encountered some issues. Maybe you had some 3rd. party software "hack" on the machine that Leopard wasn't handling well during the upgrade? Slow performance? Same kind of thing. Leopard should feel "about the same speed" as Tiger on any Mac that meets Apple's list of minimum requirements. On an Intel Mac, it should feel at least slightly faster than Tiger.
I own 2 Macs which I've upgraded to Leopard from Tiger, plus I've done the upgrade on a friend's white Intel-based iMac, and all 3 upgrades were big successes. No issues at all in any of the 3 cases, other than a few shareware programs requiring updates to the latest version for Leopard compatibility.
I'd take Apple being the "wii of computing" as more of a compliment than the derogatory statement you seem to be trying to make it into. That's exactly the point of Apple products. Build things that the "general public" can get use out of, instead of packing in as many features as possible, regardless of how unfriendly or confusing it might make the end result. The wii interested a whole new segement of society with the idea of playing video games, and did it while keeping the price point lower than the competition.
I passed on the koolaid, and yeah, I tested it on two of my friends' Power Book G4 systems, two clean installs, one Tiger, one Leopard, and the boot up time was significantly better with Leopard.
Every system is different. A couple of things that are paramount in keeping in mind with Leopard:
1) Third party hacks such as Unsanity applications have been known to cause major issues with the Finder and installation process
2) Non-Apple RAM installed after market has been known to cause issues
3) Not all machines are the same
Keeping that in mind, I HIGHLY recommend a "Clean Install", not an "Archive and Install" or "Upgrade", as this is a major update. Mac users seem to have forgotten that Leopard isn't just an update in GUI, but the Finder and system have been nearly rewritten. Plus, 10.5.1 is being worked on to address any issues.
That being said, this IS a much improved OS than Tiger, and when installed PROPERLY works wonders.
Wrong. You can post on any site, you CAN NOT speculate on rumors, in store shipments, photographs, discussing store figures, pirating software (of course), etc. Making a statement about one's personal experience is another matter. Do you really think Apple is out there scanning websites for any retail store workers? lmao
Sorry for all your troubles. I haven't heard of any one experiencing such a disaster with Leopard. There are so many variables in your comment I wouldn't know where to begin. Better off waiting for 10.5.1 and/or bringing in the system to a Genius and discussing it further with them. Good luck.
I'm a PPC (G4) user and I would love some of that double speed.
Then upgrade
It seems you've installed Leopard on a toaster. Try installing it on a com-pu-ter and get back to us.
It seems you've installed Leopard on a toaster. Try installing it on a com-pu-ter and get back to us.
Seriously. I find it amusing how there is no pleasing some of the people on this forum. Not every system is the same, third party app's and hardware (such as RAM and video cards) not to mention PEBKAC, and you've got a recipe for a bunch of whiners. Let me call you all a WAAAAAAMBULANCE.
I'm guessing that has more to do with iPod, iTunes, iPhone and Safari for Windows than the "Hi, I'm a Mac" ads.
Speaking as a platform agnostic who uses two Macs and two PCs, I really don't mind them bashing Microsoft and Windows per se -- the guys in Redmond deserve a good bashing -- and the ads certainly have great entertainment value, always good for a chuckle or two.
But it's still wrong on so many levels. If you look in any ol' "Business Practices for Dummies" book, page 1, chapter 1, you'll find a passage about the golden rule of focusing on your own strengths and never belittling your competition. It's the lowliest and most vulgar form of marketing, reserved for snake oil peddlers. Those ads are the bottled essence of the smugness and elitism that give the Mac community a bad name. It only serves to further alienate potential switchers, because when rubbing "Windows sucks" in their faces, you indirectly tell them that they suck. The message is "You're an idiot who makes poor choices, doesn't know crap about technology, and just blew your hard earned cash on crap." Is that supposed to make anyone make a mental note about getting a Mac the next time? More likely they'll make a mental note of flushing their iPod down the toilet and stomping the brain and guts out of the next Mac user they meet.
Mudslinging is OK on the grassroots level where life is generally undignified anyway, but when it comes from the top, it only makes Apple look like a pathetic and desperate bunch of sore losers. Which is thoroughly uncool, thus unbefitting of a really cool company. Makes Apple look more like PC Guy.