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New Google Chrome Beta Gains Integrated Flash Plug-In, Speed Increases

waiting4newmacs said:
and apple can't do that because Steve jobs doesn't like flash, as simple as that.
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Gee I wonder why?
1. Flash is a resource hog that spins up the processor for the simplest things and sucks power faster than Homer Simpson can suck down a beer.
2. Flash is notoriously crashy, it regularly crashes my browsers on both Windows and Mac.
3. Flash is terrible for accessibility, unless something has dramatically changed since i last looked, things like voice-over and text-to-speech don't work with it for people who can't see/have trouble seeing, HTML is light years better.
4. Flash is terrible for UI because of 1, 2, and 3, plus its seldom designed to adjust to different screen sizes.
5. Adobe has had a terrible history of Flash on the Mac, treating us l ike second class citizens for much of its existence.
6. Adobe has had a terrible history with Mac OS X in general, dragging their feet as long as possible to even release an OS X version of CS and continually creating worse and worse interfaces that break conventions on BOTH major platforms.
7. Flash is a completely closed and proprietary standard, the exact opposite of what the web was designed to be.


Look, Flash was a big deal, it let you do stuff on the internet that you pretty much couldn't do otherwise, but a lot of that stuff (interactive interfaces with drop down menus etc, animation, video) can now be done with HTML + CSS + JavaScript, all open, all less intensive, all less bandwidth consuming, less crashy, etc. About the only thing Flash can do that the web can't (yet) is apps like casual games. Basically Flash's relevance for the web is dramatically fading. It was important and necessary, but now its just, well, not. Its kinda like the floppy drive. Big deal for awhile but eventually it needs to fade into obscurity. Steve Jobs helped that happen with the floppy, and now he is thankfully doing it with Flash.

But hey, maybe he's wrong, maybe people will REALLY prefer Flash to HTML5. Considering the number of sites who are moving from Flash to the <video> tag I doubt it. Considering the success of the iPhone and now the iPad, i REALLY doubt it. Heck Adobe has had how many years now to make a performant mobile version of Flash and they are just NOW getting to it? Well great, if it works out and people really want it then they can flock to Android (and its fragmentation and Googles data mining) or WebOS and Apple will have to reverse course and let Flash in. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Especially since it completely ignores the technical problems of pushing an ecosystem designed with the keyboard and mouse and not touch in mind. Yeah those flash games? They aren't even going to work with touch based UI's in a lot of cases.

Thank you for helping the web Flash, but please, step aside, its the new guys turn.
 
every one is screwed

Cleverboy said:
You know... I think its annoying to hear someone say "Why can [my favorite company] do this?" regardless of which company it is. Just accept that the world is full of bright, wonderfully creative people that work at Apple, Google, Microsoft, Adobe, and a myriad of other small software development groups (like Panic). Why...? Because they're not Gods. We're all mortal, and coolness comes from all sectors in a free market. The moment that stops being the case, we're ALL SCREWED. And don't forget it.

~ CB
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You are all screwed anyway. - L. Blankfine, CEO, Goldman Sachs.
 
I have not tried Chrome on the Mac but I must say that on my Windows PC it works very, very well. However, Firefox is still my default browser on both platforms.
 
baryon said:
This is what I like with Google: they don't care about what the future of the web is, they just support what the present of the web is as good as they possibly can. Just because Flash isn't going to be important in a couple of years doesn't mean you can't make it run as good as it can while it's still important. And who knows what exactly the future of the Web is?
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Bingo
 
Nuvi said:
The number of connections Chrome is making to Google is insane. Then there are all the strange cookies like "safewebbrowsing.google..." Don't like this at all. Browser is very nice but it talks way too much with Google. From normal browsing standpoint they make no sense.
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But it's not "normal" browsing. Beyond serving advertisements, there are also usage (user) statistics to be mined and refined into gold. [you live where? you like looking at what? gotcha.]


Nuvi said:
I would like to know exactly what data is shared.
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Exactly? Well i suppose they could tell you, but then . . . . ;)

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Hey great news, browser competition keeps things fresher all around.
[go google, go google, go google, . . . ]
 
baryon said:
This is what I like with Google: they don't care about what the future of the web is, they just support what the present of the web is as good as they possibly can. Just because Flash isn't going to be important in a couple of years doesn't mean you can't make it run as good as it can while it's still important. And who knows what exactly the future of the Web is?
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Alchematron said:
Bingo
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Admiration of short-sightedness, interesting.. :) Apple has also made Flash work better by isolating plugins so they can not crash the browser...
 
Hal Itosis said:
But it's not "normal" browsing. Beyond serving advertisements, there are also usage (user) statistics to be mined and refined into gold. [you live where? you like looking at what? gotcha.]
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To such an extent, that using Little Snitch, initially, reduces everything to a crawl.

Hal Itosis said:
Exactly? Well i suppose they could tell you, but then . . . . ;)
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Blowing the feathers off of this golden goose would seem unwise.

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Hal Itosis said:
Hey great news, browser competition keeps things fresher all around.
[go google, go google, go google, . . . ]
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Can't argue with that. :)
 
Amazing! Great work Google! :D
Built-in Flash version (10.1.53.22) is faster than the previous one!
 
Krizoitz said:
Gee I wonder why?
1. Flash is a resource hog that spins up the processor for the simplest things and sucks power faster than Homer Simpson can suck down a beer.
2. Flash is notoriously crashy, it regularly crashes my browsers on both Windows and Mac.
3. Flash is terrible for accessibility, unless something has dramatically changed since i last looked, things like voice-over and text-to-speech don't work with it for people who can't see/have trouble seeing, HTML is light years better.
4. Flash is terrible for UI because of 1, 2, and 3, plus its seldom designed to adjust to different screen sizes.
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are you done yet?

5. Adobe has had a terrible history of Flash on the Mac, treating us l ike second class citizens for much of its existence.
6. Adobe has had a terrible history with Mac OS X in general, dragging their feet as long as possible to even release an OS X version of CS and continually creating worse and worse interfaces that break conventions on BOTH major platforms.
7. Flash is a completely closed and proprietary standard, the exact opposite of what the web was designed to be.
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ughh you're EXHAUSTING!

Look, Flash was a big deal, it let you do stuff on the internet that you pretty much couldn't do otherwise, but a lot of that stuff (interactive interfaces with drop down menus etc, animation, video) can now be done with HTML + CSS + JavaScript, all open, all less intensive, all less bandwidth consuming, less crashy, etc. About the only thing Flash can do that the web can't (yet) is apps like casual games. Basically Flash's relevance for the web is dramatically fading. It was important and necessary, but now its just, well, not. Its kinda like the floppy drive. Big deal for awhile but eventually it needs to fade into obscurity. Steve Jobs helped that happen with the floppy, and now he is thankfully doing it with Flash.
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so in other words you've never studied ActionScript/Flex nor have seen a real flash site before. if you had, you would know that HTML + CSS + JavaScript is no where near as capable. just stop assuming, please.

But hey, maybe he's wrong, maybe people will REALLY prefer Flash to HTML5. Considering the number of sites who are moving from Flash to the <video> tag I doubt it. Considering the success of the iPhone and now the iPad, i REALLY doubt it. Heck Adobe has had how many years now to make a performant mobile version of Flash and they are just NOW getting to it? Well great, if it works out and people really want it then they can flock to Android (and its fragmentation and Googles data mining) or WebOS and Apple will have to reverse course and let Flash in. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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why is it always one of the other with you people? i understand it's scary for fanboys like you, but in the real world there is this thing called co-existance. can you name this "number of sites" that have completely dropped Flash and moved to HTML5?

Especially since it completely ignores the technical problems of pushing an ecosystem designed with the keyboard and mouse and not touch in mind. Yeah those flash games? They aren't even going to work with touch based UI's in a lot of cases.

Thank you for helping the web Flash, but please, step aside, its the new guys turn.
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you would be doing yourself a great service if you referenced actual facts rather than purely relying on that slanderous propoganda from steve jobs. let me help you with that: ActionScript 3.0 Reference for the Adobe Flash Platform - Multitouch API

just stop.
 
For those still ripping on Flash. Well since the recent beta with hardware acceleration I can now run 720p flash full screen with my processor only going unto 55 degrees as opposed to 70 + degrees prior.

Generally even when using flash exhaustive websites my processor now stays anywhere between 37-50 degrees Celsius.

Flash no longer crashes either.

Just make sure you have only 1 flash plugin installed. Things like Click2Flash actually install their own flash plugin, and it causes compatability issues. So if you are using the recent beta with hardware acceleration I would uninstall things like click2flash to avoid any problems.

Anyone have an idea how chromes integrated flash works with the flash gala beta?
 
I'll pass until it's out of beta. I'm a big Firefox fan, but I'm willing to give Chrome a shot. New stuff is always fun to play with and having more choices is a good thing.
 
wovel said:
Admiration of short-sightedness, interesting.. :) Apple has also made Flash work better by isolating plugins so they can not crash the browser...
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That's not really improving the user's Flash experience, that's just improving the overall Safari experience. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, Chrome has done that since day 1, but if Chrome really runs Flash better than Safari, that could be interesting...
 
reallynotnick said:
Just install it like normal and disable the built in Flash in the new Chrome as shown in the post you quoted. Works fine for me.
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Thanks! :) But I swear that it wasn't working for me with the version prior to this one, which I downloaded end of March when Google first announced they had added Flash integration in their blog.

Anyways, I tried it again after reading your post and it was in the plug-in's page, so all is good now. :)
 
My thoughts exactly. Even with this latest mac beta Safari feels a bit peppier (scrolling feels smoother). PC hands down Chrome is awesome

sishaw said:
My personal experience is that Chrome is significantly the fastest browser on any Windows PC, but that Safari is just as fast or maybe slightly faster on a Mac.

Chrome is the browser of choice for PCs in most cases, but the choice on a Mac is not so clear.
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Hey wow, it looks really beautiful on OS X - far nicer than current Safari. I really like the way the tab bar flows in to the window title.

And with the Flash Block extension installed (to get rid of those obnoxious adverts), I suspect this will become my new browser of choice.

Very nice.
 
Wow, the difference is quite stunning!!! I just ran the Peacekeeper browser benchmark and Chrome scored 5708 points (compared to 3800 a couple of months back)!!! It clearly outscores Safari by a large margin - just ran the benchmark on the latter and it only scored 3695 points (it always scores about 3600-3700, which is pretty low!).....

Good job Google...quite impressing. Apple better start working on improving Safari.....like NOW.
 
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