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New Honeycomb preview today, your toughts for iOS5 please
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I'm assuming since you were able to type that message you have functioning fingers, eyes and internet access. Use them.
Don't expect me to collate a year's worth of news reports and blogs to satisfy your curiosity.
Then just what do you propose as the metric for more advanced? Apple doesn't even use the latest openGL standard.
Of course not, just means it can do more
It just means it is more optimized to be a game machine. Optimized ≠ advanced. Name one thing that is more advanced about Windows graphics.
While I was only joking about the clock, really as someone else pointed out, Apple needs to work out the bugs for important but simple things like that.
The other "feature" Apple needs to establish in iOS is to reduce the need for iTunes or at least allow for wireless sync. I won't bother adding to the already numerous rants on this.
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I'm sorry, I'm not a windows fan and I love my OSX to death... but what you are saying there is just completely contradicting. "Optimized" is every bit = "advanced".
When something is "advanced", it means it is ahead, more prepared, further along in development, etc. Windows, in terms of graphics capabilities with their DirectX, is definitely more advanced/optimized for graphics and gaming. Microsoft spent the energy, resources, and time. Give credit where credit is due.
By your token/definition of advanced.... nothing in this world is more advanced than anything else. You're saying Windows isn't advanced, it's only more optimized in terms of graphics. That's like saying a BMW M3 is not more advanced than a honda civic..... it's engine, chassis and electronics are just more "optimized". That logic makes absolutely no sense.
Optimized isn't synonymous with advanced. Optimized means it works well for intended purposes while advanced means inclusion of forward looking features. Crack open your dictionary app. They are not mutually exclusive terms but I am afraid you are confusing one for another. I'm not going to argue about semantics anymore as it isn't OT.
It is increasingly obvious that people would like to see an expansion of user configurable options. This falls in line with iPad users who would appreciate the side switch to be configured for either orientation lock or mute. It would also be nice to be able to access user data on the phone both across different apps, and ideally wirelessly from other devices. It would be great to be able to read and edit files on my iPad with my MBP. I don't care for widgets (I'm not a facebook kind of person) but I can appreciate why others might feel they are needed. I'd prefer a simplified notification screen that does not need many extra running apps. The fewer running apps the better. There is no such thing as a magic optimization that would prevent overhead from impacting performance/reliability.
Good point.
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I was never arguing word choice to begin with. I was merely stating that software being "optimized" is, in all intents and purposes, more "advanced" than software that ISN'T. By definition, advanced means something that is further along... and anyone with an ounce of logic would correlate optimized software (read: time spent advancing it to the point of optimization) with advancement.
If you want to talk about strictly definitions, then yes, optimization is not equal to advanced BY DEFINITION. Obviously, arguing word definitions was not your intentions to begin with (nor was it mine). You were saying that a piece of software isn't considered advanced just because it was optimized. I am telling you that that logic is flawed. Period. You are now merely trying to "win" an argument by twisting the original purpose of your post.
Advanced, by definition, is "further along in development". How you can't correlate optimized software as being "further along in development" than non optimized software is beyond me.
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While I see your point that optimized software is more advanced than non-optimized ones, that wasn't what you originally said. What you said was:
It isn't clear from the above quote that you were speaking specifically about software. Instead, it sounds as if you were talking about things in general. I, too, got the impression that you were confusing "advanced" and "optimized" with each other.
I know this has been discussed a lot these days ...
But as I am typing this, Google is holding a new preview of its Honeycomb OS ( aka Android 3.0) over at Google HQ.
I want this thread to be constructive to know what you people think that iOS really needs to most ( or improve) for version 5.0 after looking at this:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/02/live-from-googles-android-event/
Google is being really aggressive with Honeycomb and after looking at this preview today .. I have to agree they have a nice OS for tablets !
So what do you guys think that iOS 5.0 really needs after seeing those new previews of Honeycomb ?
I for one want a complete redesign of notifications for iOS5 !
I own an iPhone and I've owned (and returned) an iPad, and all I can say is that I no longer care for iOS or iOS-based devices. They are way too restricted for my liking and I HATE being locked-in to Apple and their awful online stores.
When my iPhone is up for replacement, my next phone will be Android based. And should I ever find a USEFUL tablet, it will certainly not be an Apple product either but something that treats me like an adult and that offers an open platform.
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I really hope Apple wakes up and modifies iOS5 a lot of the iPad.
The OS looks so stale in comparison to the playbook, webOS, and honeycomb. a static grid of icons....
People go on and on about what the iPad 2 will have, but when it comes down to it, it's about the software, stupid. Like steve said. The existing iPad is really sufficient for me if only it could have a more customizable screen, with active icons, and/or widgets, and a more sophisticated notification system, more system wide 3, 4, and 5 finger gestures, a more visually appealling multitasking system... the list goes on. Apple creating the first OS of its kind is nice, but now everybody had learned from Apple and is building much nicer looking OS's.
Now I'm not saying that they are better than iOS. and nobody can say anything for sure till they are.. uhhh actually released... but they defnitely are making me look envious
The OS looks so stale in comparison to the playbook, webOS, and honeycomb. a static grid of icons....
People go on and on about what the iPad 2 will have, but when it comes down to it, it's about the software, stupid. Like steve said. The existing iPad is really sufficient for me if only it could have a more customizable screen, with active icons, and/or widgets, and a more sophisticated notification system, more system wide 3, 4, and 5 finger gestures, a more visually appealling multitasking system... the list goes on. Apple creating the first OS of its kind is nice, but now everybody had learned from Apple and is building much nicer looking OS's.
Now I'm not saying that they are better than iOS. and nobody can say anything for sure till they are.. uhhh actually released... but they defnitely are making me look envious
Another video of the UI.
Must say it does look very smooth and responsive with some interesting new features. Just coming with Google Chrome, tabbed browsing and the flip out quick control thing I'd not seen before makes it look a lot more advanced than old Apple Safari mobile web browser on the iPad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4mbz_bzPls
Must say it does look very smooth and responsive with some interesting new features. Just coming with Google Chrome, tabbed browsing and the flip out quick control thing I'd not seen before makes it look a lot more advanced than old Apple Safari mobile web browser on the iPad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4mbz_bzPls
Not to mention it's just plain more advanced too. Show me where OSX has graphic drivers to handle tessellation.
Ohhhh "tessellation" I love tessellation
My current machine does not support that, but I'm looking forward to upgrading perhaps this year to a high end Sandybridge and an Nvidea card that can handle it, as Nvidea seem to the the ones with the mastery of tessellation on their cards.
I can transform standard scenes into something truly jaw dropping almost automatically.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPQ5Vy_5MP0
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Man, that video showed me how behind I am with GPU capabilities, that looked stunning.
I've got to stop relying on consoles for gaming it seems.
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Man, that video showed me how behind I am with GPU capabilities, that looked stunning.
I've got to stop relying on consoles for gaming it seems.
Of course, if you took what I originally said by itself, it's easy to take it that way... but obviously in a forum, everything should be taken in context to what is being quoted. I'm pretty sure my post was clearly referring to and quoting the previous poster's claim that software optimization != advancement. It was quite obvious he was not talking about the definition of the words themselves, but the idea of optimized software (in this case, for gaming/graphics) not being more advanced.
The last section of my post got edited out. I still stand by my original statement. Give credit where credit is due. Microsoft spent good money and resources developing directX. Conversely, Apple spent good money and resources on things such as expose, Multitouch gestures, etc. I would say the OSX user interface is more "advanced" than Windows 7 instead of more "optimized". I don't see why it can't be applied the other way around.
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It's true that the general topic was software, but I beg to differ that just because we know the topic at hand, we should interpret sweeping statements like "optimized means advancement" to be shorthand for "optimized software means advanced software." At least two people (myself and the poster who first called you on the statement) did not get that you were referring specifically to software. These kinds of misunderstandings are common, both in written and spoken communications, and personally I find that when I am misunderstood, it's best not to jump to the conclusion that the fault is with the other person.
In any case, why were we arguing Windows vs OSX in a thread about Honeycomb vs iOS? I forget how we got here...
It's true that the general topic was software, but I beg to differ that just because we know the topic at hand, we should interpret sweeping statements like "optimized means advancement" to be shorthand for "optimized software means advanced software." At least two people (myself and the poster who first called you on the statement) did not get that you were referring specifically to software. These kinds of misunderstandings are common, both in written and spoken communications, and personally I find that when I am misunderstood, it's best not to jump to the conclusion that the fault is with the other person.
In any case, why were we arguing Windows vs OSX in a thread about Honeycomb vs iOS? I forget how we got here...
I'm sorry if I wasn't abundantly clear, but I will say this again. I was referring to the other poster's "software optimized is not equal to advanced statement". I don't have time to go back and dig up my own post and my own quotes to show you that I quoted that statement... but my answer, taken into context of what I was quoting, should not be confusing to you.
Again, the statement quoted was "Optimized is not equal to advanced" in the context of windows' graphics. My point is that my original post that you misunderstood (or according to you, I used unclear language) was directly quoting someone's statement, not the thread as a whole.
I seriously doubt that Sedulous is so daft to think I was actually arguing word semantics and definitions when I quoted him. I think he just didn't like the fact that I called out the flawed logic that optimized software isn't advanced.
Actually, let me just link you to the original post including the original quote:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/11843915/
If you read his quoted statement, then read mine, I don't see how anyone can get the "jist" of the argument (about software) confused and twisted into a word choice/definition argument. If you still insist on reading my post at face value, then there really isn't much else I can say. I even stated in the exact same thread that I was talking about optimized *software* being more advanced(DirectX). According to you, I was making a sweeping statement, which is utterly false. Not only are you taking my post out of context of it's quote, you are also taking my sentences out of context of the post.
Thanks for the link to the post, I now understand why I was confused. Sedulous had said:
And I took it to mean he was talking about hardware, or maybe the entire Windows graphics system including both hardware and software. Perhaps Sedulous might rejoin this conversation later to clarify?
Console games are holding PC gaming back in a way. They tend to be the lowest common denominator because few people can afford to release a game PC only unless your name starts with Bl and ends with izzard.
Either way, let's wait and see what happens with that topic.
Back to iOS, I really think the only thing that needs to be renovated, so to speak, is the messaging system. All the new "bruhaha" from Windows mobile 7 and android is really just a more advanced way to deal with messages instead of modal popups.
Windows just deals with it on your home screen with a bunch of "lifestyle" widgets... but really they are just interpreting message based micro data.
Android uses a unified notifications system... on top of a widgets based system for certain apps. I don't see why Apple can't revamp the current push notifications systems to be more unified somehow. Case in point: Last night I was messing around with some apps and I kept getting interrupted by IM+ push messages. Each message had to stop what I was doing and make me push "OK". There has GOT to be a better way to deal with this that still allows the current iOS paradigm to stay intact.
To me, a widget is a tiny piece of software that gives quick and easy access to small but useful bits I information. Please explain how widgets on the Mac could not serve this function and how that definition doesn't apply to both MacOS X and Android.
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I agree somewhat that widgets are more useful on Mobile devices then they are on computers.
While they achieve the same goal and have the same functions, the use cases are probably totally different. For example, computers can easily multitask due to the desktop's UI design paradigm, processing power, less energy concerns, screen real estate, etc... Let alone the commitment you have when you sit down with a computer.
A mobile device needs to be on the go and is pretty much exactly the opposite of the things listed above. Limited processing power, energy concerns, small screen real estate, and short bursts of usage.
By looking at it this way, widgets are less important on the desktop because you can likely just keep a twitter application or browser window open for example. On mobiles, quickly and accessible consumption of data is key. This is why we have push notifications... but it is starting to look really archaic now when it's interrupting whatever you are doing with modal popups all the time.
I think the push notifications modal popup system was a great idea when the iOS devices didn't do as many things as it does today. Back when I mainly used the iPhone for phone, light browsing, email, and IM... push notifications were great. There would be a high probability that when the push came in, the phone was inactive and in my pocket and the notification was appreciated.
Now, we're using our iOS devices to do almost everything such as taking decent on the fly photos, video conferencing, home improvement, and gaming etc. This means a lot of the time, the popups are coming in when we are actively using the device, which is really a pain.
While they achieve the same goal and have the same functions, the use cases are probably totally different. For example, computers can easily multitask due to the desktop's UI design paradigm, processing power, less energy concerns, screen real estate, etc... Let alone the commitment you have when you sit down with a computer.
A mobile device needs to be on the go and is pretty much exactly the opposite of the things listed above. Limited processing power, energy concerns, small screen real estate, and short bursts of usage.
By looking at it this way, widgets are less important on the desktop because you can likely just keep a twitter application or browser window open for example. On mobiles, quickly and accessible consumption of data is key. This is why we have push notifications... but it is starting to look really archaic now when it's interrupting whatever you are doing with modal popups all the time.
I think the push notifications modal popup system was a great idea when the iOS devices didn't do as many things as it does today. Back when I mainly used the iPhone for phone, light browsing, email, and IM... push notifications were great. There would be a high probability that when the push came in, the phone was inactive and in my pocket and the notification was appreciated.
Now, we're using our iOS devices to do almost everything such as taking decent on the fly photos, video conferencing, home improvement, and gaming etc. This means a lot of the time, the popups are coming in when we are actively using the device, which is really a pain.
So what do you guys think that iOS 5.0 really needs after seeing those new previews of Honeycomb ?
I for one want a complete redesign of notifications for iOS5 !
Honestly as smooth as the current iOS is on iPad, it's starting to feel a little dated.
Google made Honeycomb for users to have a totally different experience on a tablet compared to their Android phones. They realized that just because you port your phone OS on to a bigger device, doesn't mean it's a tablet. That's why a lot of the tech community started calling the iPad just a giant iPhone when it first was introduced.
I think Apple does need to make their own tablet OS tailor made for the iPad. I mean they did a great job making The Daily which is optimized just specifically for the iPad.
Honestly as smooth as the current iOS is on iPad, it's starting to feel a little dated.
Google made Honeycomb for users to have a totally different experience on a tablet compared to their Android phones. They realized that just because you port your phone OS on to a bigger device, doesn't mean it's a tablet. That's why a lot of the tech community started calling the iPad just a giant iPhone when it first was introduced.
I think Apple does need to make their own tablet OS tailor made for the iPad. I mean they did a great job making The Daily which is optimized just specifically for the iPad.
I don't think Apple didn't consider changing the OS to work specifically for the tablet, they thought that it was more important to have a unified user experience across all their iDevices. And as long as they keep making apps, like The Daily, that are designed specifically for the iPad, I'm fine with the iPad sharing the OS with the iPhone. Well, the notification system needs to be improved -- it shouldn't pop up in the middle of the screen, and there should be a way to review old notifications, not just see the one latest alert and then it disappears forever. But that doesn't have to be different from the iPhone.