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There won't BE an Apple in 2015 in existence TO put Blu-ray in, should they be so moronically suicidal to wait that long.
I agree that Blu-ray will absolutely be around in 2015, but I can guarantee you Apple will not be around if they even dream of waiting half that long to incorporate it.
People pay a preminum for the cutting edge, or at least the appearance of cutting edge.
2015 ain't cutting edge; it's pathetic catchup.
Well, tomorrow's a Tuesday. It would be perfect if we saw new Macs along with Obama going into office.
There are a lot of refurbs in there....many GHz you don't generally see. Interesting.... !
There won't BE an Apple in 2015 in existence TO put Blu-ray in, should they be so moronically suicidal to wait that long.
Anyone get a good laugh at that?: The notion that apple will die if they dont support bluray..
There won't BE an Apple in 2015 in existence TO put Blu-ray in, should they be so moronically suicidal to wait that long.
I agree that Blu-ray will absolutely be around in 2015, but I can guarantee you Apple will not be around if they even dream of waiting half that long to incorporate it.
People pay a preminum for the cutting edge, or at least the appearance of cutting edge.
2015 ain't cutting edge; it's pathetic catchup.
Apple doesn't give a frick about Blu-ray, and you can't give me one good reason why not putting it in their computers would kill them.
I've done it again and again and again.
Go here and then tell me what happens to Apple when it loses 100% of its pro content creator base. And when sales of high end workstations go into the trash, because gamerz can't afford them. And what happens to overpriced iCrap without "Steve's coolness" once cheaper flashier competition appears.
If high end workstation sales of $10,000 and above PER SINGLE TRANSACTION weren't important to Apple, you wouldn't see all this BS about being cutting edge.
"Population one million. And FALLING." Because they can't deliver a GD Blu-ray disc to anyone without authoring, burning, and proofing it on WINDOZE.
And on the music side Logic is losing ground to ProTools on WINDOZE every day.
Apple's implementation of Blu-ray is PATHETHIC, and your nonstop defense of it is just plain ignorant. Or spin.
Stick with iFart.
I like how you've spun it that I'm defending them. That... that was a pun there... A play on words of that last sentence fragment which has nothing to do with any other part of your tattered argument.
Stick with an argument that has any basis whatsoever.
I've done it again and again and again.
Go here and then tell me what happens to Apple when it loses 100% of its pro content creator base. And when sales of high end workstations go into the trash, because gamerz can't afford them. And what happens to overpriced iCrap without "Steve's coolness" once cheaper flashier competition appears.
If high end workstation sales of $10,000 and above PER SINGLE TRANSACTION weren't important to Apple, you wouldn't see all this BS about being cutting edge.
"Population one million. And FALLING." Because they can't deliver a GD Blu-ray disc to anyone without authoring, burning, and proofing it on WINDOZE.
And on the music side Logic is losing ground to ProTools on WINDOZE every day.
Apple's implementation of Blu-ray is PATHETHIC, and your nonstop defense of it is just plain ignorant. Or spin.
Stick with iFart.
Blu-Ray authoring isn't a priority for Apple because the amount of sales it would generate isn't enough to justify the costs of implementing it. Not only that, but Apple would only lose 100% of their "pro content creator base" if they went out of business, and they've never cared about "gamerz" and rightly so.
I don't know why Logic and ProTools even came up, which is completely unconnected.
Oh, and Apple can't have a pathetic implementation of Blu-Ray, because they have so far decline to have any implementation. I personally have no problem with that, it's currently unnecessary.
They are selling plenty of machines, and will continue to do so, without your support.
jW
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Its the 21st, no news of the new iMacs, i guess now we wait till the end of this month.. I've got a feeling they will come march
I still think in the new iMacs will use the Intel Core i7 CPU, the new Mac Pro uses the Gainestown version Xeon CPU, and the new Mac Mini uses the Dual Diamondville core Atom 330 CPU. I don't think the new Mac Mini will use the Pineview core Atom CPU because that won't be available until probably summer 2009.
If you can't figure out the link between pro video creators switching to Windoze to deliver Blu-ray and then going to pro audio creators who've left Apple for Windoze so THEY can create audio for video delivered on Blu-ray, and how one group of companies leaving Apple wouldn't cause another linked group of companies to also leave Apple, ...
First of all, they are NOT selling plenty of Mac Pros, and will continue to do so. Their higher end product is tanking, and it has nothing to do with the economy, but rather through arrogance in the face of the total ignorance of the pro content creator market you've displayed here.
If you are correct Apple won't be implementing Blu-ray ASAP, I'll meet you back here in two years to dance on Apple's grave.
And I won't be alone.
aH
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Hi all, I'm a new guy to this forum.
Since I'm an atypicial Joe Consumer whose been looking to replace my terminally ill dual-processed G4 PowerMac (vintage 2002), I 'spose this iMac/xMac thread is as good a place to share my opinion as anywhere else on this most interesting Forum.
I'm impressed with the knowledge I've learned,
the wit I laugh with,
and the prognosticational attempts at seeing the future
from all us seer-wannabes here, and of which, this latter area,
I'd like to share some of my mind with y'all for your feedback, etc., etc.
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First of all, as we all know, Money is the name of the game,
and Money - the overall general lack of it thereof -
is the Big Elephant in the caverns of all bidnesses; including the big Apple.
In My Most Humble Opinion, almost every one had their future blueprint laid out on the table for all to see, including Apple, Intel, etc..
The unforseen recession/depression came like a torpedo in the night,
upsetting everyone's Applecart.
Apple, as you know, also panders to the Joe Customer who had sufficient pockets to purchase the neatest... even if it did cost a few more bucks.
Stop.
Q4'08 put a Money-hurtin' on everyone; Money which everyone needs...
You can't barely give anything away right now.
Fair to Middlin' Discounts are a heap big joke.
It's become tighten belt time.. DownSize, Slow the R&D
Halt Production of Newer Stuff (Say, like NextGen MacPro's and MBPros)
which costs the proverbial arm and a leg if you dare to think "maxed-out"..
Back to the Past..
Whereas a lot of focus (natch) is forever upon ever-progressed Technology,
(I want a pocketable camera that's as quality and versatile as anything the military has in their satellites. A veritable Hubble with a cleaner lens. I want a pocketable computer with a variable-size screen, which can beat Deep Blue in a chess match. The Everything Computer. 1 ounce. Max.)
the ROE (Reality Of Economics) at this juncture in history,
cannot be understated. Ever.
With dustballs flying out of our moth-ridden pockets,
suddenly, we just don't purchase Apple (or American) any more,
simply because we thought we must.
Nay.. Joe Consumer looks at, What Do We Actually Get For Our Buck?
And, Currently, MacPro's are out (I'd get one if I were a Trillionaire).
And so are MacBook Pro's...
So where does that leave me?
Thinking in terms of spending around a Thou or so, max,
but also, getting the most for my Moolah.
Not necessarily Bleeding Edge Tech,
but Not the Year before YesterYear's Tech either.
SO: Comparing: Speed, RAM, HD, Graphics Card.. That sort of thing.
When do we get to your Prognostication, Watchdog?
A) Real soon!
Even Apple needs Moolah... Cash Flow, specifically.
Otherwise, Even an Apple has been known to almost disappear..
Chances of that occuring ARE currently greater than, for instance,
all PC's vanishing too..
It's Mid-Jan, 2009, the Economy Woes are currently never-ending.
Sales have diminished; plummeted. Yet Sales MUST occur.. But How?
OK.. No Major New Super Expensive Mac Pro's, etc.; we've been through that
Here's the skippy.
Apple, Intel, have existing stocks of these and those components,
all of which make up a "computer"..
All they gots to do is to assemble an appealing product with existing stock.
OK.. Throw in a few new processors to keep Intel alive..
To acquire the necessity aka Cash Flow, 'tis necessary to sell.
Even at a reduced profit.. even at no profit.. even at (gasp!) a lo$$!
Jes, If you're sitting on a large stock, you still NEED Cash to continue..
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Because PC's (price, specs) are indeed beginning to look more and more appealing, acceptable AND attractive to semi-savvy Appleites who are in the market for a "computer", Apple just may do the following:
Soon, Apple may announce an appealing upgrade on - for starters - it's iMac
(improved specs, lowered price), because, the iMac as the hoped-for xMac
won't cannabalize any non-existent Apple sales anyhoo.
Prices of existing configurations shall be lowered...
And, at the appropriately-deemed moment,
an across-the-board genuine Sales Day(s) shall be announced,
whereby Prices will be lowered to the whatever it takes point
necessary where buyers shall (hopefully) buy..
Why The BaseMent Sale?
AGAIN: Because acquiring Dough is indeed necessary
for Apple's survival during this time of recession->depression.
Look for more push on Refurbished,
which, is all another way of selling existing stock,
yet, saving face over the (face-it!) overpriced goods..
Will it work? We shall see..
If it does. Fine.
If it turns out to be a semi-dud because people still don't wanna part with their Moolah, prices will come down to the point where the stock shall finally start moving. Hopefully.
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Meanwhile, I'd go for an iMac.. with a desktoppy Intel in it,
and that decent graphics card... 4 G's of spiffy RAM..
I liked that comment about the larger size of the 24" model,
allowing for easier cooling and - barring BluRay for a sec.,
the other assorted small whatnots that people are clamoring for..
That would attract me...
If it comes along with an attractive price of course...
WD
+++
Hi all, I'm a new guy to this forum.
Since I'm an atypicial Joe Consumer whose been looking to replace my terminally ill dual-processed G4 PowerMac (vintage 2002), I 'spose this iMac/xMac thread is as good a place to share my opinion as anywhere else on this most interesting Forum.
I'm impressed with the knowledge I've learned,
the wit I laugh with,
and the prognosticational attempts at seeing the future
from all us seer-wannabes here, and of which, this latter area,
I'd like to share some of my mind with y'all for your feedback, etc., etc.
+++
First of all, as we all know, Money is the name of the game,
and Money - the overall general lack of it thereof -
is the Big Elephant in the caverns of all bidnesses; including the big Apple.
In My Most Humble Opinion, almost every one had their future blueprint laid out on the table for all to see, including Apple, Intel, etc..
The unforseen recession/depression came like a torpedo in the night,
upsetting everyone's Applecart.
Apple, as you know, also panders to the Joe Customer who had sufficient pockets to purchase the neatest... even if it did cost a few more bucks.
Stop.
Q4'08 put a Money-hurtin' on everyone; Money which everyone needs...
You can't barely give anything away right now.
Fair to Middlin' Discounts are a heap big joke.
It's become tighten belt time.. DownSize, Slow the R&D
Halt Production of Newer Stuff (Say, like NextGen MacPro's and MBPros)
which costs the proverbial arm and a leg if you dare to think "maxed-out"..
Back to the Past..
Whereas a lot of focus (natch) is forever upon ever-progressed Technology,
(I want a pocketable camera that's as quality and versatile as anything the military has in their satellites. A veritable Hubble with a cleaner lens. I want a pocketable computer with a variable-size screen, which can beat Deep Blue in a chess match. The Everything Computer. 1 ounce. Max.)
the ROE (Reality Of Economics) at this juncture in history,
cannot be understated. Ever.
With dustballs flying out of our moth-ridden pockets,
suddenly, we just don't purchase Apple (or American) any more,
simply because we thought we must.
Nay.. Joe Consumer looks at, What Do We Actually Get For Our Buck?
And, Currently, MacPro's are out (I'd get one if I were a Trillionaire).
And so are MacBook Pro's...
So where does that leave me?
Thinking in terms of spending around a Thou or so, max,
but also, getting the most for my Moolah.
Not necessarily Bleeding Edge Tech,
but Not the Year before YesterYear's Tech either.
SO: Comparing: Speed, RAM, HD, Graphics Card.. That sort of thing.
When do we get to your Prognostication, Watchdog?
A) Real soon!
Even Apple needs Moolah... Cash Flow, specifically.
Otherwise, Even an Apple has been known to almost disappear..
Chances of that occuring ARE currently greater than, for instance,
all PC's vanishing too..
It's Mid-Jan, 2009, the Economy Woes are currently never-ending.
Sales have diminished; plummeted. Yet Sales MUST occur.. But How?
OK.. No Major New Super Expensive Mac Pro's, etc.; we've been through that
Here's the skippy.
Apple, Intel, have existing stocks of these and those components,
all of which make up a "computer"..
All they gots to do is to assemble an appealing product with existing stock.
OK.. Throw in a few new processors to keep Intel alive..
To acquire the necessity aka Cash Flow, 'tis necessary to sell.
Even at a reduced profit.. even at no profit.. even at (gasp!) a lo$$!
Jes, If you're sitting on a large stock, you still NEED Cash to continue..
+++
Because PC's (price, specs) are indeed beginning to look more and more appealing, acceptable AND attractive to semi-savvy Appleites who are in the market for a "computer", Apple just may do the following:
Soon, Apple may announce an appealing upgrade on - for starters - it's iMac
(improved specs, lowered price), because, the iMac as the hoped-for xMac
won't cannabalize any non-existent Apple sales anyhoo.
Prices of existing configurations shall be lowered...
And, at the appropriately-deemed moment,
an across-the-board genuine Sales Day(s) shall be announced,
whereby Prices will be lowered to the whatever it takes point
necessary where buyers shall (hopefully) buy..
Why The BaseMent Sale?
AGAIN: Because acquiring Dough is indeed necessary
for Apple's survival during this time of recession->depression.
Look for more push on Refurbished,
which, is all another way of selling existing stock,
yet, saving face over the (face-it!) overpriced goods..
Will it work? We shall see..
If it does. Fine.
If it turns out to be a semi-dud because people still don't wanna part with their Moolah, prices will come down to the point where the stock shall finally start moving. Hopefully.
+++
Meanwhile, I'd go for an iMac.. with a desktoppy Intel in it,
and that decent graphics card... 4 G's of spiffy RAM..
I liked that comment about the larger size of the 24" model,
allowing for easier cooling and - barring BluRay for a sec.,
the other assorted small whatnots that people are clamoring for..
That would attract me...
If it comes along with an attractive price of course...
WD
+++
If you can't figure out the link between pro video creators switching to Windoze to deliver Blu-ray and then going to pro audio creators who've left Apple for Windoze so THEY can create audio for video delivered on Blu-ray, and how one group of companies leaving Apple wouldn't cause another linked group of companies to also leave Apple, ...
First of all, they are NOT selling plenty of Mac Pros, and will continue to do so. Their higher end product is tanking, and it has nothing to do with the economy, but rather through arrogance in the face of the total ignorance of the pro content creator market you've displayed here.
If you are correct Apple won't be implementing Blu-ray ASAP, I'll meet you back here in two years to dance on Apple's grave.
And I won't be alone.
aH
Look, dude, you toss out an absurd comment about how Apple's going to lose all of the people who benefit the most from Macs and OS X (even without Blu-Ray), just because of one minor little feature (and yes, Blu-Ray is still a minor feature), and you expect everyone to agree with you that you'll be dancing on Apple's grave in two years? Seriously, when have people not been predicting Apple's death, and how many of them have been right? Apple's pulling in huge numbers, and they'll continue to do so despite the economy, so they rightly don't care if people like you aren't happy with them. They don't have to worry about little things like that (or netbooks, or iPhone nano's, or [fill in the blank with some ridiculous and unnecessary product]...). They just continue to do what they do best and they continue to sell the best computers on the planet and plenty of them.
jW
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Its the 21st, no news of the new iMacs, i guess now we wait till the end of this month.. I've got a feeling they will come march
I think you are right... I searched last night and I saw; iLife'09 will be sell on February 20... That means iMAc will be come after this date... My idea is; when Apple release new iMac always included iLife in the iMac Box... Thats mean we will wait almost 2 months I guess.....
I'm confused...is Apple closing out refurbished machines or new machines? The Apple page you included describes the machines as refurbs...
I think you are right... I searched last night and I saw; iLife'09 will be sell on February 20... That means iMAc will be come after this date... My idea is; when Apple release new iMac always included iLife in the iMac Box... Thats mean we will wait almost 2 months I guess.....
But I go to apple web site
iLife'09
$79.00
Ships: January
Free Shipping
why sell on Feb??, where you found this info?
Not in this century. 130W TDP. If we are REALLY lucky, Apple will use the new 65W quad core cpus (Q8200s, Q9400s and Q9550s) in the next iMac. If not, we will be stuck with expensive mobile cpus and probably not quads (regular or custom 2.53/2.80/2.93/3.20 dual-core cpus)
Really? Of course they will, March/April probably. Expect a higher base-price.
No, unless it is a new Mac (Mac micro/nano) at a lower price ($299/399). The dual-core Atom is a nice cpu, but the hit in overall performance (even with a nvidia chipset) would be too severe for a full OS and apps like iMovie, Garageband, iWork, MS Office... What happened to the white MB yesterday is probably what will happen to the Mac mini in the weeks to come.
But I go to apple web site
iLife'09
$79.00
Ships: January
Free Shipping
why sell on Feb??, where you found this info?
Amazon says; This item will be released on February 20, 2009.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014X5XEK/ref=s9_sdps_c1_s1_p65_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0GJJR0DQV59QY8A8WYGD&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383351&pf_rd_i=507846
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Look, Macfanboi, any computer and OS that can't author, burn, playback, and proof Blu-ray discs are not the "best computers on the planet" by ANY stretch of ANY imagination.
Not by a long shot. Apple can't even get a basic quicktime update right because they're too busy making sure iFart will work on iCrap iPhones.
As for the rest of your "argument", your closer quoted above shows where your logic is coming from; your hormones.
Study hard and eat your vegetables, and one day, when you grow up, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-ray player and a 58" Plasma and you too, will understand the need for Blu-ray and for pro content creators to be able to deliver content on Blu-ray.
I recommend Panasonic for the plasma, LG for the player that can also handle the remaining HD-DVD discs out there, and any Windoze PC to author, burn, and proof the discs until Apple gets off its dragging ass.
Have a nice day.