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MS blows Apples financials away. Cash means nothing, its about MKT share. Also, Apple has little chance of breaking into the enterprise which is where all the computer $$$ is.

Dude, where've you been the last nine months, MKT share in this economy means NOTHING. It is ALL about cash. Gee, Washington Mutual had good market share, Countrywide, Ameriquest mortgage had huge market share, as does AIG. GM until recently was number 1 in market share and look how they are doing. The thing that they all lack(ed) is cash and access to credit. What matters is profit, no matter how it is executed through market share or through sound margins, and ideally through both.
 
Hurry Up!

Ahhh, my old Dell desktop just died today and I really want to replace it with a new Imac! Hurry up and update Apple!!!
 
Ahhh, my old Dell desktop just died today and I really want to replace it with a new Imac! Hurry up and update Apple!!!

I know, I want to get rid of this G4 Mac mini asap and I wanna hold out until this update. I'm starting to lose hope that it'll be any time soon, though. I hope I'm proven wrong and we get an update on the 27th or Feb 3rd.
 
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On that growing note of awaiting to purchase an Apple at a greatly reduced price, actually, because of the unfurling depression, I also wondered how Apple's Dec08/Jan-Feb09 $ales will compare to Dec07/Jan-Feb08?

33-1/3% give or take?

They used to say, "As Starbucks goes, so goes the nation.", until Starbucks fell from grace due to a paucity of pricey-java consumptionites. Now, They can be found on all the city street corners bartering apples for food, alongside throngs of hungry pencil-peddlers.

"Water, Food and Cash - in that order - became the a$$ets of choice, surpassing real estate, investments and other assorted - yet useless - non-perishables." -- History of the Early 21st Century, p. 2009.

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Ahhh, my old Dell desktop just died today and I really want to replace it with a new Imac! Hurry up and update Apple!!!

I know, I want to get rid of this G4 Mac mini asap and I wanna hold out until this update. I'm starting to lose hope that it'll be any time soon, though. I hope I'm proven wrong and we get an update on the 27th or Feb 3rd.

Im thinking same as you... My Acer Aspire motherboard diying too.... and Im really depression on this update process... Please Apple hear us and hurry up!
 
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On that growing note of awaiting to purchase an Apple at a greatly reduced price, actually, because of the unfurling depression, I also wondered how Apple's Dec08/Jan-Feb09 $ales will compare to Dec07/Jan-Feb08?

33-1/3% give or take?

They used to say, "As Starbucks goes, so goes the nation.", until Starbucks fell from grace due to a paucity of pricey-java consumptionites. Now, They can be found on all the city street corners bartering apples for food, alongside throngs of hungry pencil-peddlers.

"Water, Food and Cash - in that order - became the a$$ets of choice, surpassing real estate, investments and other assorted - yet useless - non-perishables." -- History of the Early 21st Century, p. 2009.

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What the **** are you on about?


MS blows Apples financials away. Cash means nothing, its about MKT share. Also, Apple has little chance of breaking into the enterprise which is where all the computer $$$ is.

Maybe you missed MS laying off 5000 employees and looking to shut down all the endeavours they have taken on that they've been running at a loss. Market share is meaningless during these times. Apple has just under $30bn in cash reserves and zero debt. Apple's stock tanks at $80. MS stock tanks at $20. Apple's last fiscal quarter results are the best they have EVER had.

Do you forget or are you just ignorant that the reason this financial crisis is so systemic is because of a lack of liquidity, i.e. readily available cash and/or credit? Go read an economics textbook, the FT or the WSJ before you even think of asserting your 'expertise' on a topic you have no grasp of.
 
Actually Im thinking 3th March... and this think killing me:(
It could be later than February depending on CPU supply etc.

I think Apple's going with the 65 W quad-cores since they "missed" the new 2.67/2.93 GHz CPUs.

But they were probably able to give a speed bump when the 1067 MHz Penryns came, but they chose not to.

Also I wouldn't rule out a small design change, but that seems unlikely.
 
What the **** are you on about?




Maybe you missed MS laying off 5000 employees and looking to shut down all the endeavours they have taken on that they've been running at a loss. Market share is meaningless during these times. Apple has just under $30bn in cash reserves and zero debt. Apple's stock tanks at $80. MS stock tanks at $20. Apple's last fiscal quarter results are the best they have EVER had.

Do you forget or are you just ignorant that the reason this financial crisis is so systemic is because of a lack of liquidity, i.e. readily available cash and/or credit? Go read an economics textbook, the FT or the WSJ before you even think of asserting your 'expertise' on a topic you have no grasp of.

I do this for a living and have an MBA from Columbia. Apple can not hold a candle to the growth that MSFT has shown. Also...that 30bn in cash is not such a good thing. You should study economics. Cash is not king now......don't believe everything you watch on TV.
 
Mhmm... And the fact that I'm getting the next Mac Pro does what to your argument?

Nothing. You'll beat me to it if it can't handle Blu-ray, that's for sure. And my $10,000+ has been waiting in a cart at the Apple store for more than two years now.

Here's how it is: Apple doesn't give a crap about the professionals. They're finding the breaking point–how little differentiation they can make between consumer and professional products–before people stop buying the pro products.

And that is why they will die.

Let me draw a not-so brief analogy. Back in the 70's there were several huge home/church organ manufacturers that you could find in an organ shop in every mall in America. Allen, Thomas, Lowrey, Hammond, Conn, Wurlitzer, and several others. Not a single one survives today that tried to compete against the onslaught of cheap drugstore keyboards by Casio and handful of Japanese companies. The companies that tried to come out with their own cheap lines were decimated. The only companies that survived until today were Allen, Thomas until about 5 years ago, and Lowrey (and Hammond which was bought out by Suzuki). And they way they survived was completely obliterating their entry-level product and creating only high end behemoths that start in the area of $40,000 and go UP from there.

The survivors learned that to create a superior product at an exhorbitant cost was the only way to survive against cheap iCrap.

Apple is about to learn this the hard way. Being first doesn't always translate into market longevity. NO ONE remembers who came out with the first handheld transistor radio. They only remember what cheap on sale brand their parents happened to get them.

iPod might have been lucky enough to become the generic name for mp3 player now (and that's arguable) but no one under 90 calls their refrigerator a "Frigidaire" anymore.

It sucks, and there's really nothing to be done about it. They'll push people past the point where OS X isn't enough incentive to buy crap hardware, lose pro support, lose applications, and then lose the consumer base.

They are already losing the pro base. I estimate it's up to a third and climbing daily. Most pros don't give a damn about complaining and trying to save a platform that no longer suits their needs; they merely move on in anger, and are quite vocal only to their peers offline in the real work world.

Then they'll give us better pro hardware again.

You sir, are an optimist. The lessons in the organ industry teach us that once a company foregoes its highest paying customers to make crap for kiddies, the companies that do it more cheaply always win.

Apple will not last long enough to "give us pro hardware again" if they continue their present suicidal course.

The point is, that's what they're doing and there isn't anything we can do to STOP them; we can only expedite the process by not buying pro hardware sooner.

Oh, I've sat on my cash two years now and working on the third.

We can also bitch. Apple might not be listening, but many others are.

And thinking. Along the lines of "Do I really want to buy an expensive computer from a toymaker?"

:apple:
 
I do this for a living and have an MBA from Columbia. Apple can not hold a candle to the growth that MSFT has shown. Also...that 30bn in cash is not such a good thing. You should study economics. Cash is not king now......don't believe everything you watch on TV.

I would assume you mean 'cash is not a good thing' in terms of inflation? Also, what kind of growth are you talking about in comparing MSFT to AAPL? Growth of market share? Growth of stock value? Growth of profitable product lines? Growth of profit margins?

TV is trash, I don't watch it. ;)
 
Man im going to be furious if the new iMacs don't come by March :p lol.. Anyone know how many months its been before an update??
 
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