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Tbh, being able to snap an iPad in half with your bare hands is pretty shocking.

If you’d seen the size of his arms, you’d maybe concede... he is built like a tank lol.
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Maybe it is just impossible to produce iPhones and iPads in the millions and find a continuous source of “natural” sapphire”l for them. I quote “natural” because I bet the majority of sapphire used all around is not mined. Anyway Apple didn’t lie.

Then they shouldn’t be touting it as a feature. A jeweler wouldn’t get away with selling a “platinum” ring that’s actually made out of aluminum just because it wasn’t feasible to source so much platinum for the demand. That’s blatant false advertising. Apple are completely dishonest about everything these days. It’s horrible looking at the ways they focus on squeezing as much profit out of customers as possible. Steve once said that’s a terrible idea and admitted it almost bankrupted the company.
 
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Isn’t there some norm for bending devices? Like a car crash test where you can earn stars?

Something like above?
 
...Steve once said that’s a terrible idea and admitted it almost bankrupted the company.
Is that why the first iPhone had the price reduced, because Steve was like, do as I say not as I do? As far as the remainder of your post if customers thought they were being ripped off the company would be doing as well as it is.
 
I played around with the new iPad pro. It's like and does look like it lacks structural integrity that even the original iPad Pro suffered from. The iPhone, Macs and such are very difficult to "bend". My old iPad Pro was sat on and snapped in half. AND they don't give you good covers that help with integrity.

I like the concept of the iPad pro. Do not like the practical durability.
 
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Is that why the first iPhone had the price reduced, because Steve was like, do as I say not as I do? As far as the remainder of your post if customers thought they were being ripped off the company would be doing as well as it is.

I don’t understand your point. Are you referring to carrier subsidizing?

Also a large portion of Apple’s customers buy Apple products these days because they don’t want to feel left out. If you ask them why Apple products are better, they can’t tell you.

Apple have done remarkably well with advertising and that’s why they haven’t tanked yet but their actions over the last few years have clearly ruffled the feathers of those of us who buy Apple products because we love the OS and software integration. We still make up a big portion of their sales and we’re fed up being spit on. Storm’s coming.
 
How will Apple react if it all?

I’m not going to buy one now and the same for my brother who urgently needs to replace his iPad

So this is the issue Apple have- I am an unashamed Apple fan boy and love Apple products- I won’t get android ever. But I’m not paying very good money for something so delicate.

If Apple fans like us are put off then Apple need to address this as - just hope they do something and reinforce them rather than blame the users.

People are saying no big deal just bend it back but my 6 plus bent and was fine at first then developed touch disease. The sensitive electronics can’t be strained-just not good engineering or design
 
Thinness is a clever marketing guise to actually make it less durable and more prone to overpriced repairs or even making it disposable to force frequent device purchases.
Bingo. Also increases in sales of AppleCare and cases. Yes, AppleCare and their cases sell well already, but the increased fragility will convince holdouts to spring for AC and their cases. Because when all is said and done, the people who are complaining about this issue will end up buying an iPad Pro + AC + folio rather than decide not to buy them.
 
Bingo. Also increases in sales of AppleCare and cases. Yes, AppleCare and their cases sell well already, but the increased fragility will convince holdouts to spring for AC and their cases. Because when all is said and done, the people who are complaining about this issue will end up buying an iPad Pro + AC + folio rather than decide not to buy them.

Does AppleCare really cover bending or dropping? I've never had to use it for a tablet or laptop that has been damaged as opposed to component failure.
 
I went into an Apple store today because I wanted to touch the device myself. The reports of screen rippling and the knowledge that the thing could snap in half with very little effort made me want to hold it.

I can't lie. The new iPad Pro 12.9" is a beautiful thing. At the iPad table, the third Specialist to ask me how they can help asked me if he could answer any of my questions. I said thank you, but no.

I've been prepared to buy a 12.9" Cellular 1TB, Applecare+, New Keyboard, New Pencil, but no. Maybe next cycle. My 10.5" Cellular 512GB works perfectly fine, is really portable, and I like it. I also like last year's Apple Smart Keyboard and Pencil. I only wanted to upgrade to the new iPad for the extra workspace.

Apple needs to care about more than the veneer of quality and luxury, but it does not currently. An Apple product needs to be the best at what it does. A *mobile* device that pops and splinters in half with the slightest give is not the best.
 
Exactly when there is never a problem let’s stick with the status quo, year after year. (Directed at you fashion industry)
Developing an iPad so thin that its sturdyness becomes dependent on its screenprotector hardly is business as usual or status quo - even at the Cookette Apple
 
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The takeaway is the sapphire used in Apple products is man made rather than natural. It's like passing off cubic zirconia as diamond.
It has nothing to do with natural vs man made sapphire. Apple used to actually use sapphire crystal for the camera cover. The last few years they have switched to regular glass that has a “sapphire” coating (kinda the same idea as an oleophobic coating). While this protects from light scuffing, it does not actually protect like true sapphire because the underlying glass is not hard enough.
 
I went into an Apple store today because I wanted to touch the device myself. The reports of screen rippling and the knowledge that the thing could snap in half with very little effort made me want to hold it.

I can't lie. The new iPad Pro 12.9" is a beautiful thing. At the iPad table, the third Specialist to ask me how they can help asked me if he could answer any of my questions. I said thank you, but no.

I've been prepared to buy a 12.9" Cellular 1TB, Applecare+, New Keyboard, New Pencil, but no. Maybe next cycle. My 10.5" Cellular 512GB works perfectly fine, is really portable, and I like it. I also like last year's Apple Smart Keyboard and Pencil. I only wanted to upgrade to the new iPad for the extra workspace.

Apple needs to care about more than the veneer of quality and luxury, but it does not currently. An Apple product needs to be the best at what it does. A *mobile* device that pops and splinters in half with the slightest give is not the best.

Thinness vs. ruggedness vs. device size vs. "architectural beauty" is certainly something that is always in play in designing a product. This is probably especially true for a mobile device as opposed to something that is going to sit on a desk and/or be sheltered indoors. On one hand it is sad to slap on an armored case on the new iPads. But the beauty is that end user can mostly anticipate how they use this device.

Case-in-point. I recently had my Jeep serviced. All the service people had a 9.7 iPad in an armored case. They looked the cases looked pretty scuffed up and filthy. Clearly they anticipated this tablets were going to be used in an extreme environment. Walking it back a little I think I'll be able to anticipate day by day how I'll be using my 12.9 iPad. If not I certainly can armor it up and give up on the aesthetics. Looking forward to the ceramic iPad. Just kidding!
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I find the analogy crashing with a car very weak. Better would be that if you get passengers in your car, the car will bend like a banana. Because that’s the case with the new iPad Pro. It will bend under normal working conditions. At least for me... I can’t count the numbers I accidentally sit on my iPad Air or jumped into my bed forgetting my iPad was there. Am I not careful? Yes I am. But those accidents do happen when you have a mobile device.

You need to be more careful about what is in your bed before you jump in :D
 
Does AppleCare really cover bending or dropping? I've never had to use it for a tablet or laptop that has been damaged as opposed to component failure.
That largely depends on juridical interpretation of proper handling, which Apple as a granter of warrantee will impose on you to prove and can become difficult and time consuming for you as an individual.
That situation might change in case of a call-back or class suit action - that could invoke a general verdict on insufficient product quality, enforcing Apple to take measures to ensure repairs or replacements - possibly even apart from AppleCare. Time will tell.
 
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That largely depends on juridical interpretations on proper handling, which can become difficult and costly for you to prove as an individual.
That situation might change in case of a call-back or class suit action - that could invoke a general verdict on insufficient product quality, enforcing Apple to take measures to ensure repairs or replacements.

Thanks!
 
I don’t understand your point. Are you referring to carrier subsidizing?

Also a large portion of Apple’s customers buy Apple products these days because they don’t want to feel left out. If you ask them why Apple products are better, they can’t tell you.
Have a citation for this? Or is it your opinion or some gross overgeneralization?

Apple have done remarkably well with advertising and that’s why they haven’t tanked yet but their actions over the last few years have clearly ruffled the feathers of those of us who buy Apple products because we love the OS and software integration. We still make up a big portion of their sales and we’re fed up being spit on. Storm’s coming.
Who is this "we" that are fed up? My idevices last a long time, have good support and I'm happy with my products overall. Sure there is always some churn, and various posters have put the same sentiment on the internet for years. I'm waiting for the apple apocalypse.
Bingo. Also increases in sales of AppleCare and cases. Yes, AppleCare and their cases sell well already, but the increased fragility will convince holdouts to spring for AC and their cases. Because when all is said and done, the people who are complaining about this issue will end up buying an iPad Pro + AC + folio rather than decide not to buy them.
Apple is very, very smart. Aren't they.;)
Developing an iPad so thin that its sturdyness gets dependent on its screenprotector hardly is business as usual/status quo - even at the Cookette Apple
I like thin and don't have issues my devices because I'm careful with them. To increase the sturdiness of my ipad by adding a screen protector seems to have two benefits.;)
 
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I like thin and don't have issues my devices because I'm careful with them. To increase the sturdiness of my ipad by adding a screen protector seems to have two benefits.;)
Agree. But that doesn’t elevate the latest and thinnest iPad from criticism.
Companies of Apple’s size and supremacy better should be safe than sorry.
Preventing symptomatic product anorexia deserves the highest priority.
As a last resort to cure that disorder, I would suggest to enforce Joni to use one of his 6 lease Bentley’s (most of which being inactive anyway...) in a final and conclusive run-over test for any new design.
As far as I can remember, to this date only iPhone 4 did survive such test.
 
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I now firmly believe there are fans of Apple that will defend anything they ever do. If I could blow on an Apple product and damage it I guarantee there would be a legion of people saying "don't be an idiot and blow on it!"

It's not that it's bendable, it's the lack of force required to bend it so easily that's concerning. Letting Apple know this is concerning for us users, who otherwise love their products is not a bad thing, as those that do, are just hoping Apple will take more time to add a higher build quality in future products. That's all. I'm not sure why that upsets other users in such a way they feel obligated to spend so much time dismissing their opinions publicly. Which only encourages companies like Apple to continue down this path even further. At what point does it finally become too much? Again, for many users, they seem to have no limits.
 
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