Physics also say there's a certain magnesium alloy that's stronger than aluminum alloy for the same weight. The Surface uses it for durability. Maybe Apple could have spent that $150/200 price increase toward a stronger metal alloy..
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New iPad Pro Models May Be Prone to Bending
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Why on earth would you be happy with any customer not purchasing Apple products any more.
Those kind of statements come from Apple fanbois or strange human beings.
How about a bit of empathy for someone having no luck with their Apple products or experience.
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Apple makes great products there is no doubting that.
But Apple is a niche player in terms of products sold worldwide and some people make decisions not based on what is best or most expensive. I'd love the day that Apple could design/make affordable products that not just you or I can afford, especially the iPad which is probably one of the devices that would meet the needs of most of the general population.
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Price does not necessarily reflect the material costs.
You can bend any, any I mean any device, which is thin and long, price doesn’t come to it. You just say this because of the price. If it was $300 you would say, oh, it’s cheap so it bends.
The iPad is expensive because of different things than the metal casing. Also, maybe, the recycled metals are weaker, or the usage of less or no dangerous chemicals may make it weaker. Whatever the real reason there is, it is still thin and long device and it will bend.
And, the bunch of nutters, who bend their devices just to be a stupid click bait on YouTube and elsewhere, these people should really rethink their lives. You can break anything using a power and electronics are fragile.
As for the people who really accidentally bent theirs, please, use the sturdy case.
And the car analogy
Metals get stronger and lighter yet the new cars have plastic bumpers, and the constructions are much weaker than on the old cars. So if you crash or hit something, the damage will be bigger than on the old cars. Good example is old Volvo, compared to the new ones. Old one was big and heavy but extremely safe compare to nowadays cars.
I really understand you. Just returned an Macbook Pro. I´m done with present models. Keyboard and trackpad ara simply a joke. And when you finish to connect the TB adapters, what a mess
I really think that i heared Steve Jobs laughing over my shoulder...
Both my parents have iPads and both of them use the iPad for cameras. The large display is great for viewing pictures that you have just taken.
Not everyone has the same needs as you.
No, it will not as it will not fit the blender. However the head of that idiot making those videos, just may. He should give it a try. “Hello, I am an idiot who destroys perfectly functional things for getting money on YouTube. Today I have a treat for you, I have been asking myself a very important question all these years. Will my head blend? Let’s see! Ouuuuuuuch, aaaaaaaaa, that hurtsss....” aaaaand death.
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I do 100% of my music composition on iPad, graphic design on iPad, studies, drawing, communication.
That you are not productive on iPad is not problem of iPad, it is only your problem. So don’t stuff the “not productive shiny in stone age beta” rubbish in our throats.
That doing thing on iPad is not the same way as doing them on computer doesn’t mean that it is useless. In this case, the problem is you.
And once Logic Pro and Final Cut will be out on iPad, then my life will be complete
With Apple price never reflects the material cost.
I'm glad my device isn't thin then.
No, you would say it bends, what do you expect, its cheap, you get an expensive device and you think, this is a premium product and you expect that some of this price went in to making a robust product.
Whenever Apple makes a device that bends, the next year they strengthen those weak points, this version of the iPad certainly has some weak points.
You miss that the start of this article was due to someone going out with an iPad in a bag and coming back with a slight bend in it. Apple has access to experienced material engineers that can lessen the chance of a device bending.
Yes lets blame the consumer rather than Apple.
This is a poor analogy. Modern cars have plastic bumpers that are designed to deform and reform at low speed bumps, the kind of speed when you are parking and where most bumps happen that would allow the possibility of reforming.
Cars of older generations would tend to dent and deform the brackets at those kinds of speeds.
Big and hard is bad in the design of a car. Volvo cars now are much safer than Volvos of old.
In a crash nowadays, if you look at a smash with the same kinetic energy at 60mph, an old Volvo wouldn't look as bad as a newer Volvo, but the person inside the newer Volvo will be alive with all hands and feet intact. The person in the old volvo will not have fared so well.
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That view will change if you decide to have kids.
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I tend to think that Apple devalues words.
I also think Apple should take a break from using adjectives.
Liquid Display
Bionic Chip.
They can't pull of naming things like Tesla
Bioweapon Defense Mode
Ludicrous Mode
Who is blaming the users?
Do you find it a problem being cautious with fragile things?
Even if apple uses stronger alloys, then it will still bent. Physics anyone?
Yes, I have read the start of article about the iPad being bent after carrying it in a rucksack, but, again, it is easier to blame the company.
I see the “not my fault, it is somebody else’s fault” all the time with people. And we all do it, not to look stupid or irresponsible.
And as I stated before, I feel with the people who accidentally damaged it, but that is why you take precautions.
As for the cars, the front crash of my neighbours’ Volvo from 1997 and Renault 2014, where the Renault ended up looking like a pizza, is enough of evidence to me. But, of course it depends on many things, so I will not argue about cars.
Do you find it a problem being cautious with fragile things?
Even if apple uses stronger alloys, then it will still bent. Physics anyone?
Yes, I have read the start of article about the iPad being bent after carrying it in a rucksack, but, again, it is easier to blame the company.
I see the “not my fault, it is somebody else’s fault” all the time with people. And we all do it, not to look stupid or irresponsible.
And as I stated before, I feel with the people who accidentally damaged it, but that is why you take precautions.
As for the cars, the front crash of my neighbours’ Volvo from 1997 and Renault 2014, where the Renault ended up looking like a pizza, is enough of evidence to me. But, of course it depends on many things, so I will not argue about cars.
Has nothing to do with changing physics. A flat sheet of anything has no rigidity whatsoever, just watch how construction beams in buildings are made. The strength comes from the height of the material, so ridges inside, as high as possible would've helped immensely. The only thing supporting the new iPad Pro as of now are the outer sides and that's clearly not enough for such a large device, and they are drilled through to boot.
Why make excuses for Apple? Are you really accepting that the former innovator Apple has less competent engineers than the cheap Chinese brands?
Apple could've easily added reinforcing ridges on the inside and/or changed the aluminum composition to strengthen it. Maybe even several screwed in strips of titanium inside for extra measures. After all this is a premium product with a price tag to match. Why they didn't do it is anybody's guess, but after following the change in Apple under Tim Cooks management, I believe the only reason is cost. They want to sell as cheaply made a product as possible with the highest possible price tag, all else is secondary. Apple made far better engineered products in the past, and for cheaper, so they can (at least could) do it if they wanted to.
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That quote right there is the problem, The original iPad wasn't so fragile it bends in a back-pack. Apple decided thinner is better and now an iPad in a back-pack is so fragile it will bend.
These are decisions Apple has made; why should the expectations of the user change?
Apple are basically saying "you know that thing you used to do with that thing we made? yeah, you can't do that anymore but keep buying the new thing"
Some carbon fibre rod/bars on the inside would add pretty much zero to the cost, and made it impossible to bend/break without a massive amount of effort.
They could perhaps run supports, like micro girders along the lengths of the body to add the strength without any weight.
Cost almost nothing to do also.
They could perhaps run supports, like micro girders along the lengths of the body to add the strength without any weight.
Cost almost nothing to do also.
No, I would always try to save my kids at all costs. I treat my glassware with the respect it deserves.
The problem here is not about stronger alloys but not having any supports and no strengthening around openings.
You put an opening in any object and you weaken it. When Apple had bendgate with the iPhone 6 which I might add they knew about before releasing the product because it was cheaper to replace devices than can the product like samsung did with the exploding phones. Apple then strengthened the design.
If you take a piece of metal and add a weight to it, it will bend, that is how metal reacts.
If you weld or form the metal into either an L, T or H shape it will strengthen the metal in a given direction by a massive amount. Apple could have put in some H beams between the battery pouches.
Quite right, an iPad should survive being put in a backpack.
Everything at this point is hearsay. We do not know how much force was applied and I am sure over the coming weeks we will have more scientific tests of people bending iPads so we can compare the amount of force required to bend the iPad compared to the iPhone 6
If Apple put more effort into designing strength in to its products when it takes the avenue of making them thinner, then there would be no bendgates.
Apple chooses to make the devices thinner. Me personally, I would forgo a bit of thinness for strength.
If you make a device like an iPad thicker, you don't add much to the weight but it does allow you to add more supports (supports will add weight)
Apple just has to get the balance right and on the face of it without further tests, it looks like they may not have gotten it right.
Yup lots of design compromises in cars with strength vs repairability.
I agree with you, have iPad 1 and use it daily (I enjoy iOS 5 look over iOS 7 and up) and it is quite a robust device. Also have a first gen 12.9 I do everything on, but all people I know do really care about weight and size, especially girls.
What apple is doing, is that they are trying to do “just a display” thing. And it has got its pros and cons. It would be amazing if they would make them unbreakable, but they may not have it figured out yet
Sometimes these videos are fake news, like those iPhone 4 signal drop things where they hold it unnaturally and grip it really hard. I laughed as I used my iPhone 4 and never had problems. I wish he'd test a more realistic situation, but my estimate based on this video is that iPad would bend in a backpack if some other object were to apply pressure in the same spot as in the video, which is definitely a real problem.
Bendgate deniers like this one are even worse than global warming deniers.
First of all you apparently don't understand the purpose of stresstesting. Would you buy a car that will smash your legs in a frontal colission of just 20mph? I don't think so…that's why we have crashtest standards. I'm sure you guys take issue with those tests too, right? Since I'm sure you'd never personally drive a car into a wall.
The problem most people have is that just asserting a little force will bend this device in two like a piece of cardboard. That means that even in normal usage there is a real risk of developing a bend or worse. And you know what? Quite some peope just a few days into their device are already reporting bending issues. None of these people have done so with their bare hands, purposefully.
If a test shows a device lacks internal rigidity, and people are also reporting issues with rigidity, could it be that there are real issues with rigidity? Of course not! It's something apple haters concocted to put Apple in bad light!
May I remind all sceptics the teardown revealed the pad pro lacks any internal reinforcement structure like the macbook's have? That's a really good idea on a <6mm thin device.
That's exactly my thoughts.
As you say some mini/micro beams, formed from perhaps Titanium or Carbon Fibre, running the length of the body would have added massively to the overall strength, whist adding only a few grams in weight, and a few cents in cost.
Adding additional structural components is so common in engineering.
Apple should be ashamed in not considering this.
The camera bump itself is actually almost designed to cause this to bend
Here is the thing though, what does anyone expect Apple to do about this right now? Now with the iPhone 6, that used the 6000 series aluminum, but that was changed to 7000 series aluminum with the 6S, which was a year later. The iPad Pro typically is not released on an annual basis. Apple is not going to change their manufacturing process all of a sudden by adding a stronger aluminum, but perhaps they could add internal support, but that could require a complete change in the metal/chassis depending on internal space dimensions.
So the next option is to improve the aluminum with the next iteration of the iPad whenever that is renewed. You’re left with the option of either not buying this iPad in fear that it will bend, or you buy the iPad as you normally would, and just use a good case and use common sense when toting it around.
So the next option is to improve the aluminum with the next iteration of the iPad whenever that is renewed. You’re left with the option of either not buying this iPad in fear that it will bend, or you buy the iPad as you normally would, and just use a good case and use common sense when toting it around.
HOLY CRAP. This thing bends easily than your standard kitchen aluminum foil. Really cheaply built.
So Apple is a trillion $ company with loads of experience making hardware; they know the materials inside and out; they’ve had this exact problem previously on iPhones; they cut a big chunk out of the (even thinner) frame for wireless charging and decided to do nothing to compensate the loss of structural integrity, such as use a stronger Al alloy or internal reinforcing on a premium-priced “Pro” device; and there are still dozens of users here defending them?
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When someone starts a sentence with this I stop reading. What a load of ********.
Shame, because he has some good points. I bought a second-hand iPhone 8 Plus which is pretty good, but other than that I’m also almost “done” with Apple.
I can’t see myself upgrading to one of their notched phones and I hate the butterfly keyboards.
Because then, they would presumably have moved on to a different platform which is (hopefully) working out better for them.
It’s like someone doesn’t like Italian food, and I see no reason in forcing them to keep frequenting that restaurant. So long as they are eating what they enjoy, that’s good enough for me.
I like my Apple products, and I also recognise that they aren’t for everyone, not least because of the limits and idiosyncrasies that Apple imposes on their ecosystem.
When one door closes, another opens. That’s what we can be happy about. That person finding the workflow which best suits their needs.