New iPad Pro Models May Be Prone to Bending

[Absrnd]

iPhone 6 Plus bendgate turned out to be true

Was there a real BendGate ? or was it so well played in the media, that everybody started to bend all the iPhones models in the stores ?
Apple had to reinforce the next model, because everyone was waiting to get their hands on it, at launch, and start bending it to hell.

People were just not educated of the fact that a thinner iPhone can't be put into your back pocket en sat on.
With great thin-nes comes great comprehension of material flexibility

 

[run1976]

It's quite clear, that you know absolutely nothing about engineering. So I explain it to you: a relatively lightweight titanium bar, I say absolutely doable on a device costing on average north of 1000 USD, would have made the device much stronger with an absolutely negligible weight increase - to match previous versions of iPad stability wise. I hope that was clear enough.

It could then handle accidently stress exposures which can happen on a device like the iPad quite frequently. I don't know if you are having a family with kids, probably not, but I can tell you that with kids running around, jumping on beds, etc, my old iPP got abused frequently.

People who don’t have kids don’t get this. I always worry about visiting my sisters house which is basically a modern art museum with my two boys. So far we managed not to break anything but that is because we do not visit too frequently and they feel not at home and behave accordingly. Still, she thinks the boys are kind of wild because sitting on a chair and draw for two hours will not cut it for them. She will have her own first-born soon. That will bring a change of perspective. As a befriended parent told me once: If I forbid everything potentially damaging or harmful there would be nothing else I’d do. Things will break when kids are around. So things we buy should not break too easy like the new iPad Pro seems to do.

 

[dotnet]

People who don’t have kids don’t get this. I always worry about visiting my sisters house which is basically a modern art museum with my two boys.

Must be cheap art works. The one thing I've learned from this thread is that anything over $1000 must be built to last.

 

[Infrared]

The screen scratches easily because the glass is so hard. Hardness and resistance to scratching are inversely related--

That doesn’t sound correct at all. Perhaps the word “inversely” shouldn’t be there?

 

[Terkwoiz]

Was there a real BendGate ? or was it so well played in the media, that everybody started to bend all the iPhones models in the stores ?
Apple had to reinforce the next model, because everyone was waiting to get their hands on it, at launch, and start bending it to hell.

People were just not educated of the fact that a thinner iPhone can't be put into your back pocket en sat on.
With great thin-nes comes great comprehension of material flexibility

I had firsthand experience with the 6 plus bending. There were thousands of cases and Apple admitted it. I was one of the early cases and when I went to get a replacement the “genius” bar tried to charge me $400. I complained and escalated then they admitted issues and replaced it free. I kept asking to speak to a manager at the 14th Street Manhattan location. Apple reinforced the 6s because the 6 was structurally inferior and they were losing profits due to massive replacement value.

 

[dilbert99]

Sounds like you might be the fanboy here for assuming this negativity. He said he's tired with thinness over function. So, why does he continue buying Apple products? Obviously Apple is just going to keep making things thinner which will make him even madder than he is now. And he's just going to post even more comments about how ridiculous it is to have really really really thin products. So...instead of continuing this endless cycle of hate, he's stopping here and decided to leave Apple so that he can be happy. I'm glad he made that choice!

I don't get it though, why are you glad?
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You can't say the $329 iPad isn't a step in the right direction though. Compare that to what you used to get for $499 (not even counting inflation).

Yes a step in the right direction I do agree.
I guess thats what happens with competition and sales diving 50%, now if we could only have the same with the rest of apples products I would be a happy bunny.
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Apple is not a cult

A lot of people who respond in these forums could be regarded as being a member of a cult. Apple itself is not a cult.

and I personally don't care if anyone proclaims they will or will not buy an apple product.

Thats good. I feel the same.

That's not what it is about. To those who post with issues on apple products, it's about helping people find a solution to their issues.
Sometimes finding another vendor is the solution

While finding another vendor may be a good solution, it is never meant like that by the writer.
People in these forums word it synonymous with : "If you don't like it piss off and stop dissing my favourite company"

 

[Spazturtle]

Remember when pro meant something.

Yes for means it is for professional use, and professional devices are often delicate.

 

[Terkwoiz]

Yes for means it is for professional use, and professional devices are often delicate.

Please list some pro devices or objects that are less structurally sound or more “delicate” than amateur versions of the same device or object. Pretty sure there aren’t examples as that wouldn’t make any sense.

 

[makingdots]

After using Apple products for almost 30 years....I am done.

Should be 20 years because Apple actually (re)started in 1998 when they launched iMac. Steve Jobs came back to Apple in 1997. I know that it's obvious that you're exaggerating but welp.

 

[Piggie]

Was there a real BendGate ? or was it so well played in the media, that everybody started to bend all the iPhones models in the stores ?
Apple had to reinforce the next model, because everyone was waiting to get their hands on it, at launch, and start bending it to hell.

People were just not educated of the fact that a thinner iPhone can't be put into your back pocket en sat on.
With great thin-nes comes great comprehension of material flexibility

And as a result of all the bending video's, future phones were made stronger.
So the consumer benefited.

I'm sure you are not saying you wish those video's were never made, and phone strength was never improved.

Likewise, I'm sure you would agree, bending an iPad video's also are a good thing, as again, this will only lead to better designed/stronger future products which will benefit us consumers.

 

[kentsydney]

And as a result of all the bending video's, future phones were made stronger.
So the consumer benefited.

I'm sure you are not saying you wish those video's were never made, and phone strength was never improved.

Likewise, I'm sure you would agree, bending an iPad video's also are a good thing, as again, this will only lead to better designed/stronger future products which will benefit us consumers.

Exactly- I’m not getting one for Neil it’s strongerz

 

[Shiro_Simba]

Was there a real BendGate ? or was it so well played in the media, that everybody started to bend all the iPhones models in the stores ?
Apple had to reinforce the next model, because everyone was waiting to get their hands on it, at launch, and start bending it to hell.

People were just not educated of the fact that a thinner iPhone can't be put into your back pocket en sat on.
With great thin-nes comes great comprehension of material flexibility

Using that logic, they got it right with iPhone 6s, as people no doubt tried to bend the new model, and there was no story , as Apple got it right . This is the way it should be.

You are making excuses .

Yes thin devices do bend, though a device needs to be build for day to day use, and when you put thinness above durability , it’s not educating the user how to pamper the device , it’s about getting over the daft obsession that each generation needs to be thinner as the main criteria.

It’s a tool , not some delicate work of art you need to be educated how to hold try bending a MacBook Pro like this .... laptop replacement eh.... think that through

 

[HacKage]

The fact that this is happening with the smaller, 11" device rather than the 12.9" is pretty worrying. If the reports are true that it happens with it being in a backpack are true, then what is the point in it being so thin when you can't take it anywhere?

 

[Absrnd]

And as a result of all the bending video's, future phones were made stronger.
So the consumer benefited.

I'm sure you are not saying you wish those video's were never made, and phone strength was never improved.

Likewise, I'm sure you would agree, bending an iPad video's also are a good thing, as again, this will only lead to better designed/stronger future products which will benefit us consumers.

Yes you are correct, and we consumers did benefit from that.
The iPhone 6 was one of the first iPhones in that size, and Apple was caught in the delicate balance of bigger, thinner and lighter.
And they were caught out with the discovery of bending the iPhone, and made up for that with the 6s, replacements and a free case

But all those vids of bending iPhones and iPads, is just silly, the average consumer has no idea what force is needed to bend it, and gives a very false image of the strength of that device,
and because of clicks revenue, this will never go away, and always misinform potential users.
and you have to agree, that in all the vids, they make it look like they bend cardboard

When this bending started, there were also vids that try to take a scientific approach, to show what force is needed, but nobody does that anymore.
even if the hands look dark red with bright white fingers from the force needed to bend it, they still make it look like bending cardboard.

 

[bruno7]

After using Apple products for almost 30 years....I am done.

I am tired of paying $3k-4k for a middling laptop, I am done dealing with phones (and now tablets) that pursue thinness over function, I am done supporting a company that doesn't even exert the effort to keep their "pro" products up to spec, and I am so over them purposely making everything non user-replaceable/upgradable while charging prohibitively expensive prices for upgrade options...

They made the iPad Pro so damn thin that the camera lens protrudes pretty far out, and they couldn't even put an audio jack on it. This is the end result, an expensive toy that bends like a piece of cardboard. What's more, his scratch tests on the display and camera lens reveal that Apple isn't even using materials of a high enough quality to be commensurate with the price.

You just spoke for me, sir. Thank you.

I am just about to buy 2015 MBP - the last one with Magsafe, good keyboard, and all the ports I need for work and fun. This is to replace my 2010 MBP.
I am also keeping my SE - which is of decent size for me and not so oversized like probably all the future iPhones will be.
Maybe couple of older iPads or iPad Minis for my kids.

And that's it. I'm all set - these Apple products I will use until they die on me.

By then there will maybe be some other decent products without cameras sticking out, thick enough to not bend and therefore with bigger batteries, and decent specs for decent money.

And if not I will have to look around for something else. It's a shame though as I've been Apple fan for more than 15 years...

 

[Shiro_Simba]

You just spoke for me, sir. Thank you.

I am just about to buy 2015 MBP - the last one with Magsafe, good keyboard, and all the ports I need for work and fun. This is to replace my 2010 MBP.
I am also keeping my SE - which is of decent size for me and not so oversized like probably all the future iPhones will be.
Maybe couple of older iPads or iPad Minis for my kids.

And that's it. I'm all set - these Apple products I will use until they die on me.

By then there will maybe be some other decent products without cameras sticking out, thick enough to not bend and therefore with bigger batteries, and decent specs for decent money.

And if not I will have to look around for something else. It's a shame though as I've been Apple fan for more than 15 years...

Same here . My 2015 MBP is my best machine, gave my 2017 away. My last machine is the iMac Pro . Looking at £2k for an iPad Pro, I’m out Mr Cook - you are killing Apple with your greed, nor am I interested in £1.5k iPhones . My x will last me 3 or so years but at that rate Cook will want £2.5k so I’ll stay with what I have and jump ship once they die . And I was the Apple consumer who always bought the newest top spec, as it was worth the money, no longer way , way over priced.

I loved Apple , until they became a high street fashion label, hiring Angela was a mistake, huge respect for Jobs who wanted products for ordinary people . Average jo can’t afford Cooks absurd yearly price hikes .

 

[run1976]

Must be cheap art works. The one thing I've learned from this thread is that anything over $1000 must be built to last.

You did not read correctly. An iPad isn’t a piece of art to be admired. It is an item to be used. There are different standards of durability for both.

 

[Ruggy]

Same here . My 2015 MBP is my best machine, gave my 2017 away. My last machine is the iMac Pro . Looking at £2k for an iPad Pro, I’m out Mr Cook - you are killing Apple with your greed, nor am I interested in £1.5k iPhones . My x will last me 3 or so years but at that rate Cook will want £2.5k so I’ll stay with what I have and jump ship once they die . And I was the Apple consumer who always bought the newest top spec, as it was worth the money, no longer way , way over priced.

I loved Apple , until they became a high street fashion label, hiring Angela was a mistake, huge respect for Jobs who wanted products for ordinary people . Average jo can’t afford Cooks absurd yearly price hikes .

I'm with you and it's very sad. There was a time when a new iMac or Macbook pro was a real screamer, top-end machine. Now I'm looking at the laptop offerings from Asus that are just as beautiful thin and light, have 2.5X processor performance, 4X graphics card performance, 2X SSD storage, 4K touchscreen and €1000 euros cheaper and I'm finding it impossible to justify. I want to stay with Apple and OS but I feel like I'm being taken for a mug and I really don't like it. And that's from a loyal Apple customer.
I don't think the build quality is even what it was either.
I don't see any reason to buy a new iphone over the one I have and there's no way I'm spending €1200 on one for the kids. Besides, the SE is the only one small enough to fit in their hands and pockets so Apple have just dumped the only first phone available in their line up. I were buying for them today it couldn't be an Apple so they have probably lost customers for life.
They've definitely made a wrong turn at a time when the competition is hotting up from the likes of Huawei.

 

[MultiMan]

Should be 20 years because Apple actually (re)started in 1998 when they launched iMac. Steve Jobs came back to Apple in 1997. I know that it's obvious that you're exaggerating but welp.

How so?

I've used Apple products since 1977. Even had a Lisa for a while in 1983, revolutionary product that blew my mind. Made a local Apple magazine for a couple of years starting in 1978. Last edition I made was in 1984 with a picture of Steve Jobs, wearing a bowtie, in front of the newly opened Macintosh line in the plant in Cork. Was so fanboyish back then I wrote "Join him, join us" (local Apple club) in the picture.

Apple, Woz and Steve are a part of my life forever, that's why it hurts to not find anything interesting to buy from Apple anymore. I didn't switch to Huawei phones because I wanted to abandon Apple, they just stopped innovating and focused on making more money. I then decided it was time to abandon ship until something changes for the better again.

 

[I7guy]

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A lot of people who respond in these forums could be regarded as being a member of a cult. Apple itself is not a cult.

No, they respond because most have a different experience than you. What one would call an apple experience. With 300 or so million customers, Apple will never please anybody. (or for that matter any corporation with tens of millions of customers)

Thats good. I feel the same.

I'm sure apple "doesn't care" either.

While finding another vendor may be a good solution, it is never meant like that by the writer.
People in these forums word it synonymous with : "If you don't like it piss off and stop dissing my favourite company"

No, what I believe "they" are saying, if you come here to piss and moan and whine and most of the the posting is negative, maybe all of that energy should be better spent finding a better tech solution that makes sense for ones situation.

 

[MultiMan]

Yes for means it is for professional use, and professional devices are often delicate.

One example of the opposite to what you are suggesting are the service computers, laptop, measurement boxes I work with in the automotive sector. Very rugged stuff that can be thrown in a concrete wall or driven over and survive.

Can you give us some examples that supports your statement? I'm genuinely interested.

 

[Ruggy]

Oh, and as for the bending in that video- no way am I going to buy one of those- and I was interested.
A typical use would be putting it in a bag with some clothes and putting in the back of the car. All you'd need is for someone to put another bag on it or the dog to jump on it and it's broken.
And for those that say you shouldn't treat it so roughly: I want to be able to. I demand to not have to treat it like a piece of fine porcelain. Furthermore, previous models have been able to do that.
This is supposed to be for people like architects to use on site and photographers. It's a highly portable machine not something supposed to be kept on a desk.
It's not fit for purpose in my opinion. Way too little force needed to break it.

 

[dilbert99]

No, what I believe "they" are saying, if you come here to piss and moan and whine and most of the the posting is negative, maybe all of that energy should be better spent finding a better tech solution that makes sense for ones situation.

Thats just a polite way to put what I said.

If every customer that had some form of dislike to a company did what you suggest, the world would go into recession.

 

[I7guy]

Thats just a polite way to put what I said.

If every customer that had some form of dislike to a company did what you suggest, the world would go into recession.

Nice spin on the thoughts I was conveying.

 

[Absrnd]

Wow, so now this thread turned into a "anti-Apple everything it makes" thread ?
are you all so shortsighted ?