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What is "common sense"? Is putting it in a backpack alone? Is putting it in a backpack with hardcover books? Does it matter if the books are smaller than the iPad and packed in the backpack closer to the body?

Is the "common sense" applicable to the 10.5 Pro the same for these new Pros?
Yep.
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That is not true. The structural integrity on older iPad’s is better than on the new iPad. Thinking about the 1st iPad, it was built like a tank.
And I would still choose the new one every time.
 
After using Apple products for almost 30 years....I am done.

I am tired of paying $3k-4k for a middling laptop, I am done dealing with phones (and now tablets) that pursue thinness over function, I am done supporting a company that doesn't even exert the effort to keep their "pro" products up to spec, and I am so over them purposely making everything non user-replaceable/upgradable while charging prohibitively expensive prices for upgrade options...

They made the iPad Pro so damn thin that the camera lens protrudes pretty far out, and they couldn't even put an audio jack on it. This is the end result, an expensive toy that bends like a piece of cardboard. What's more, his scratch tests on the display and camera lens reveal that Apple isn't even using materials of a high enough quality to be commensurate with the price.
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After using Apple products for almost 30 years....I am done.

I am tired of paying $3k-4k for a middling laptop, I am done dealing with phones (and now tablets) that pursue thinness over function, I am done supporting a company that doesn't even exert the effort to keep their "pro" products up to spec, and I am so over them purposely making everything non user-replaceable/upgradable while charging prohibitively expensive prices for upgrade options...

They made the iPad Pro so damn thin that the camera lens protrudes pretty far out, and they couldn't even put an audio jack on it. This is the end result, an expensive toy that bends like a piece of cardboard. What's more, his scratch tests on the display and camera lens reveal that Apple isn't even using materials of a high enough quality to be commensurate with the price.
 
Wow, there sure must be a lot of money in making these videos. But I bet the real money spinner will be the follow-up video, in which he whines about Apple not replacing the broken iPad Pro under warranty. I can't wait for the thread of outrage and indignation to ensue on MRF.

That said, this is shaping up to be an entertaining genre, with copy-cats and spoofs and everything ;)

 
Wow, there sure must be a lot of money in making these videos. But I bet the real money spinner will be the follow-up video, in which he whines about Apple not replacing the broken iPad Pro under warranty. I can't wait for the thread of outrage and indignation to ensue on MRF.

That said, this is shaping up to be an entertaining genre, with copy-cats and spoofs and everything ;)

Common sense has finally prevailed.
 
No, don't bend it THAT way.. !!.

Careless users just not treating how they should be treated, and this "bending" has gone .. well, round the bend.
 
Anybody know if these iPads use that 6000 series aluminum?

That would not be a surprise.


After using Apple products for almost 30 years....I am done.

I am tired of paying $3k-4k for a middling laptop, I am done dealing with phones (and now tablets) that pursue thinness over function, I am done supporting a company that doesn't even exert the effort to keep their "pro" products up to spec, and I am so over them purposely making everything non user-replaceable/upgradable while charging prohibitively expensive prices for upgrade options...

They made the iPad Pro so damn thin that the camera lens protrudes pretty far out, and they couldn't even put an audio jack on it. This is the end result, an expensive toy that bends like a piece of cardboard. What's more, his scratch tests on the display and camera lens reveal that Apple isn't even using materials of a high enough quality to be commensurate with the price.

The screen scratches easily because the glass is so hard. Hardness and resistance to scratching are inversely related--the harder the glass the easier it is to scratch; the better the glass resists scratching, the more brittle and likely to break is the glass.

Apple is using hard glass to add structural strength to the iPad because it is so thin. My guess is that the aluminum is not strong enough (like the iPhone 6) and over time, heat alone will cause the case to warp. This happened to my iPhone 6, but never on any other phone I have ever owned.

Simply put: this is another design failure.
 
If you’d seen the size of his arms
Then they shouldn’t be touting it as a feature. A jeweler wouldn’t get away with selling a “platinum” ring that’s actually made out of aluminum just because it wasn’t feasible to source so much platinum for the demand. That’s blatant false advertising. Apple are completely dishonest about everything these days. It’s horrible looking at the ways they focus on squeezing as much profit out of customers as possible. Steve once said that’s a terrible idea and admitted it almost bankrupted the company.

It looks like you haven’t seen the video. It demonstrates even to a level of electron microscope proof and molecular composition that it is indeed sapphire. You tell me where is the “blatant” false advertisement and “dishonest”. when Apple says it uses sapphire.
 
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I can't tell with certainty that you are not a robot or an Apple employee. But I am really sure that you are not an engineer.

Because the common sense -you talked about it a lot in various postings - of a member of said profession, would probably mandate the usage of some reinforcing structural elements, like for example some lightweight titanium bars (It's a 1000$ device after all) to prevent accidental bending. Especially when we are talking about slab made of aluminum and thin glas.

And some high quality sapphire glas on exposed optical camera elements won't hurt either.

1, I’m not an Apple employee. I draw comics for Mad Magazine.

2, I don’t know jack about engineering. What I do know is that basically everything in this world can bend, break, shatter, melt, wilt, or catch on fire if you try hard enough to do so, no matter how many t-bars or extra metal you throw into something.

And sure, I’ve said “common sense” a few times in this thread, but I’m not going to apologize for the fact that it seems like common sense is missing from some, if not most, of these posts.

Where’s the reality check that you can’t just treat these products like crap? If you put your iPad in an opportunity to be bent, don’t be surprised if it’s bent.

Personally, I’m not surprised they bend. No one should be. It shouldn’t be a surprise, something so thin and fragile. So why the outrage? Because they aren’t made to be indestructible? That means they’re inherently flawed?

I’m just confused as to what people expect. You want OLED screens, but would complain about price. You want lighter weight products, but complain when the metal can bend under certain pressures.

So the iPP 2018’s are fragile. But so are all iPhones. And all iPads. And all laptops.

Treat the items with some reverence, not like a dirty pair of shoes you just throw into a gym bag.

I care about thickness. And weight. And I totally support Apple's quest towards making devices thinner and lighter; especially for any device that's hand-held or portable, like a laptop.

OTOH, it seems I'm one of the few here that takes responsibility for my actions that involve doing something stupid to a piece of expensive tech.

It's sad the world is going to an always blame someone else when doing something stupid rather than take responsibility, culture.

THIS!
 
It looks like you haven’t seen the video. It demonstrates even to a level of electron microscope proof and molecular composition that it is indeed sapphire. You tell me where is the “blatant” false advertisement and “dishonest”. when Apple says it uses sapphire.
It is not a pure sapphire crystal like on all quality watches, it's just a super thin coat of aluminium oxide on top of a glass substrate, something Apple patented. As it is not anymore scratch resistant than any gorilla glass, the only purpose for using it must be purely marketing. It's Apple after all, so no one should be surprised. Cheap to make, great marketing potential and fools people into paying extra for it (like this thread have shown several times). Apple must be proud of themselves.
 
1, I’m not an Apple employee. I draw comics for Mad Magazine.

2, I don’t know jack about engineering. What I do know is that basically everything in this world can bend, break, shatter, melt, wilt, or catch on fire if you try hard enough to do so, no matter how many t-bars or extra metal you throw into something.

And sure, I’ve said “common sense” a few times in this thread, but I’m not going to apologize for the fact that it seems like common sense is missing from some, if not most, of these posts.

Where’s the reality check that you can’t just treat these products like crap? If you put your iPad in an opportunity to be bent, don’t be surprised if it’s bent.

Personally, I’m not surprised they bend. No one should be. It shouldn’t be a surprise, something so thin and fragile. So why the outrage? Because they aren’t made to be indestructible? That means they’re inherently flawed?

I’m just confused as to what people expect. You want OLED screens, but would complain about price. You want lighter weight products, but complain when the metal can bend under certain pressures.

So the iPP 2018’s are fragile. But so are all iPhones. And all iPads. And all laptops.

Treat the items with some reverence, not like a dirty pair of shoes you just throw into a gym bag.

Damn, what a refreshing comment!
 
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The phones are ridiculously expensive. The lens cover is tiny. I’ve had genuine sapphire on $100 Chinese watches!

What this all points to is Apple being cheap, cutting costs and pushing margins into the stratosphere to compensate for flatlining demand.

Also because of profit and money obsessed CEO.

Reminds me of the Sculley days... we all know what happened there
 
Bends no more than previous models, my 12.9 gen 1 bent top to bottom, I just bent it back. No big deal, was my fault it bent anyways.

I was flying home the other day and the lady next to me had a 12.9 bent so badly you could probably stick your finger between the screen and the deformed chassis. My mind was blown that it actually worked and that the screen had no significant damage.
 
Because everyone in the real world takes out a stanley knife and pliers to their iPad....smh

This vid only proves how decadent society has become , half the world starving the other half smashing up expensive trinkets that would feed a family of 5 for a year

Makes me angry/disgusted tbh
 
I told them a thousand times, removing the 3.5mm audio jack would reduce device strength and torsional stability. But did anyone at Apple listen? Nooooooo! #bringbackthejack!
 
ITS **MORE** FRAGILE than all other iPads ever made. Hello? Are you reading or are you just in denial?
facts= i agree with you. even iPad Mini first generation and iPad third generation didn't bent like that.
 
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Why on earth would you be happy with any customer not purchasing Apple products any more.
Those kind of statements come from Apple fanbois or strange human beings.
How about a bit of empathy for someone having no luck with their Apple products or experience.

Sounds like you might be the fanboy here for assuming this negativity. He said he's tired with thinness over function. So, why does he continue buying Apple products? Obviously Apple is just going to keep making things thinner which will make him even madder than he is now. And he's just going to post even more comments about how ridiculous it is to have really really really thin products. So...instead of continuing this endless cycle of hate, he's stopping here and decided to leave Apple so that he can be happy. I'm glad he made that choice!
 
Because everyone in the real world takes out a stanley knife and pliers to their iPad....smh

This vid only proves how decadent society has become , half the world starving the other half smashing up expensive trinkets that would feed a family of 5 for a year

Makes me angry/disgusted tbh
Why are you even using modern electronics if you feel that way? Every single thing you use put extra strain on our globe. I use a wooden graphite pencil and plain recycled paper for most my daily writing needs. Consumes no power and never fails. If you worry so much about the rest of the world, you have to start with yourself. As you're talking about starving, we in the west throws away enormous amounts of food every day, basically for no good reason. Change your habits and methods and no food needs to go to waste. I managed to cut the waste to nearly nothing, just by changing the way I shop, store and cook the foods. That makes a real difference.

If you really want to help besides sitting in your armchair, the whole of Africa screams for help, as they have since at least 50 years. I still think the current Ebola epidemic is going on and that is a very real and imminent threat to all of us. Volunteer to go there and you could potentially save mankind. That's some real difference!

It's nothing decadent about product testing (which the videos basically are). All manufacturers do it all the time, but not many are shown besides car impact tests. To make products so weak as shown with the latest iPad Pro will lead to more failures and more, not less electronic waste.
 
1, I’m not an Apple employee. I draw comics for Mad Magazine.

2, I don’t know jack about engineering. What I do know is that basically everything in this world can bend, break, shatter, melt, wilt, or catch on fire if you try hard enough to do so, no matter how many t-bars or extra metal you throw into something.

And sure, I’ve said “common sense” a few times in this thread, but I’m not going to apologize for the fact that it seems like common sense is missing from some, if not most, of these posts.

Where’s the reality check that you can’t just treat these products like crap? If you put your iPad in an opportunity to be bent, don’t be surprised if it’s bent.

Personally, I’m not surprised they bend. No one should be. It shouldn’t be a surprise, something so thin and fragile. So why the outrage? Because they aren’t made to be indestructible? That means they’re inherently flawed?

I’m just confused as to what people expect. You want OLED screens, but would complain about price. You want lighter weight products, but complain when the metal can bend under certain pressures.

So the iPP 2018’s are fragile. But so are all iPhones. And all iPads. And all laptops.

Treat the items with some reverence, not like a dirty pair of shoes you just throw into a gym bag.



THIS!

Your logic it skewed. You keep implying that it’s a problem with people who don’t have “common sense” which is very strange and simply false. Accidents happen to the most fastidious and careful of people. Since accidents happen to everyone, then everyone would obviously want their iPad to be as durable as possible while still being cutting edge (super thin, light, no bezels). The new iPad is cutting edge and can even bend in half.
 
Once again, I ask...how are these iPads bending? Like, besides you actually just bending them on purpose? What are average users doing to cause these things to bend? It’s not going to bend just by throwing it into a backpack. It’s not going to bend just sitting on a table. If you sit on it or put heavy things on it, I dont feel bad. I’m pretty sire my MacBook wouldn’t survive if I sat on it either.
 
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Are all these "bend" threads, just created, so that they can be used as proof that Ipads bend from themselves ?

That somebody wakes up, and suddenly their ipad is bent, and looks here, and says, see I told you so, Apple should reimburse me o_O
 
1, I’m not an Apple employee. I draw comics for Mad Magazine.

2, I don’t know jack about engineering. What I do know is that basically everything in this world can bend, break, shatter, melt, wilt, or catch on fire if you try hard enough to do so, no matter how many t-bars or extra metal you throw into something.

And sure, I’ve said “common sense” a few times in this thread, but I’m not going to apologize for the fact that it seems like common sense is missing from some, if not most, of these posts.

Where’s the reality check that you can’t just treat these products like crap? If you put your iPad in an opportunity to be bent, don’t be surprised if it’s bent.

Personally, I’m not surprised they bend. No one should be. It shouldn’t be a surprise, something so thin and fragile. So why the outrage? Because they aren’t made to be indestructible? That means they’re inherently flawed?

I’m just confused as to what people expect. You want OLED screens, but would complain about price. You want lighter weight products, but complain when the metal can bend under certain pressures.

So the iPP 2018’s are fragile. But so are all iPhones. And all iPads. And all laptops.

Treat the items with some reverence, not like a dirty pair of shoes you just throw into a gym bag.



THIS!

It's quite clear, that you know absolutely nothing about engineering. So I explain it to you: a relatively lightweight titanium bar, I say absolutely doable on a device costing on average north of 1000 USD, would have made the device much stronger with an absolutely negligible weight increase - to match previous versions of iPad stability wise. I hope that was clear enough.

It could then handle accidently stress exposures which can happen on a device like the iPad quite frequently. I don't know if you are having a family with kids, probably not, but I can tell you that with kids running around, jumping on beds, etc, my old iPP got abused frequently.
 
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And you know this how? The video only proves that, if you put enough force on it, you can bend a tablet. Have you done controlled force tests on all the other iPads? If not, then you don’t know what you are talking about.

True. What I’m taking about is speculation until it’s proven true. Let’s see how this plays out in the next few months. iPhone 6 Plus bendgate turned out to be true - it’s the weakest iPhone ever made. It’ll be the same story with this iPad.
 
It looks like you haven’t seen the video. It demonstrates even to a level of electron microscope proof and molecular composition that it is indeed sapphire. You tell me where is the “blatant” false advertisement and “dishonest”. when Apple says it uses sapphire.
Because its not 'Pure' Sapphire glass! This has been the case for every recent iPhone and iPad, I don't know about the very old phones that had smaller camera areas, they might have had pure sapphire glass.The glass on my Tag is pure sapphire and hasn't gotten a single scratch in 18 years, the glass on the iPad and iPhone camera's is not and in fact on the X and XS models the flash is covered in plastic not glass. Pure sapphire crystal should sustain scratches up to a level nine on the Mohs scale of hardness. The seven and onwards scratch at 6.

Apple say they are using sapphire so how the hell do they scratch at such different levels? Well Apple uses an impure Sapphire, now that JerryRigEverything guy tested it and yes it 'contains "traces of sapphire" under an electron microscope, that's not the same as pure sapphire glass though. He concluded that "Apple isn’t using pure sapphire crystal, but rather an impure version that, while stronger than regular glass, it is considerably less than the near-diamond hardness of sapphire" So Apple is twisting the truth somewhat and your phone would cost a lot more if the camera lens was covered in pure sapphire I would imagine. Which considering the current price of iPhones it should really.
 
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