Nonsense - explain Expose running without dropping frames on a G4 with 256 MB of ram shackled to a spinning disk? Even if we need to quadruple the memory required since modern systems have retina displays that is still only 1GB of memory so obviously the quality of animation engineering has gone down or something else in the process is failing...
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New iPadOS 16.1 Beta Expands Stage Manager to Older iPad Pro Models, Delays External Display Support
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Makes sense but external display support is still only available on an m1 iPad Pro.
I hope it works smoothly and that it doesn't make my 2020 iPad lag. It's kinda silly the literally the very last previous generation iPad didn't have this feature initially.
So Apple was pissing on 2018 and 2020 iPad Pro owners all along and just now admitted that it was wrong?
I’ll take what I can get. Now my iPad Pro is supported. My iPad mini isn’t but 1 out of 2 isn’t bad considering yesterday it was 0/2.
No thank you. That thing looks like a huge distraction and another gimmick I will turn off instantly.
256 MB of RAM was double the minimum requirement for Mac OS X 10.3 Panther when Expose was introduced. Both the OS and apps have grown dramatically in memory footprint and complexity since then. Big Sur has a minimum memory requirement of 4GB. Panther had a disk footprint of 1.5 GB; Big Sur weighs in at 14 GB.
A better comparison is asking to do anything smoothly on a 2014 iMac running Big Sur with 4 GB of RAM. I can assure you it's not going to be a pleasant experience.
App memory footprint may have grown but not exponentially, and iPad memory and performance has also grown - I have about 40 windows (including about 72 safari tabs) open across 8 desktops/spaces on my Mac right now using 24 GB of memory - 8 total windows should be manageable for an iPad Pro with an A12X and 4 GB of memory ....
Yeah!
i am on my 3rd IPP.
I cant
- create an inbox folder in apple mail on iPads
- cant manage inbox rules
- in Apple Music i cant manage smart playlists
and so on…
for me - copying a couple of lines of source code with a well calculated amount of testing and qm in the last 4? years should solve this gap
so, how does stage manager help?
Ha I agree with both of those but there’s no turning it off. That’s what I find so strange about this. They completely unnecessarily reinvented tons of existing notifications solely for the purpose of dressing up the hole punch camera. And they divided their userbase by doing so. I don’t know why they bothered making the standard 14.
Apple is leaning really hard into this idea that people want the “best” iPhone and will pay more to get it. They used to take pride in the idea that the iPhone is the best phone, period.
I do not like what Dynamic Island represents, and the effort they clearly spent on it to the detriment of the rest of the system.
Between this and the replacement of the SIM slot with a piece of plastic, Apple is making a lot of gambles this year. I don’t know what’s going on over there but I don’t like it.
When stage manager was first announced I was really annoyed - it continues the trend of Apple missing the point, multiple windows is flashy but doesn't address the main issues with iPad OS. I've since come around to the idea that multiple overlapping windows could be a good idea but Stage Manager just has terrible UX.
At least they are bringing better toolbars and virtual memory but they seem to have artificially limited the latter to only the M1 for reasons that are likely to be pretended to be about performance but really is about up-selling to the M1.
This is interesting. I did believe them at first because of the amount of memory an app can take up on an iOS device. There are very strict rules in the iOS api for managing how apps multi task etc..
But I also understand how programming works. And given the time frame they were gunning for (Sept) and now they delayed it until October maybe they had some time to optimise it? Something they wouldn't have added in their sprints before.
I think it does point to the downsides of having hard release dates based on marketing targets rather than just realising stuff when its ready. I think that's been a pretty big change in the way Apple are making stuff that's not really great.
I am very interested in how they are going to get say 4 memory hungry apps (Photoshop, Beatmaker, Procreate and Lumafusion for example) running all at the same time with 6gb memory. I cant see it. I think what they will do is have photo's of apps that are static and swap the photo out when you access the app.
Otherwise the thing will be dog slow like macOS would be if it tried to do the same thing.
There is no free lunch in computers.. You either fake the performance or you have the hardware to do it.
Cant wait to see how they did it though.
But I also understand how programming works. And given the time frame they were gunning for (Sept) and now they delayed it until October maybe they had some time to optimise it? Something they wouldn't have added in their sprints before.
I think it does point to the downsides of having hard release dates based on marketing targets rather than just realising stuff when its ready. I think that's been a pretty big change in the way Apple are making stuff that's not really great.
I am very interested in how they are going to get say 4 memory hungry apps (Photoshop, Beatmaker, Procreate and Lumafusion for example) running all at the same time with 6gb memory. I cant see it. I think what they will do is have photo's of apps that are static and swap the photo out when you access the app.
Otherwise the thing will be dog slow like macOS would be if it tried to do the same thing.
There is no free lunch in computers.. You either fake the performance or you have the hardware to do it.
Cant wait to see how they did it though.
This is stupid. I don’t care about stage manager (the UX seems rather flawed to me), but I’d like fullscreen external display support on non-M1 iPads. Just screen mirroring. I don’t think that would require an M1 on the technical level, given that selected apps already support fullscreen external display. I hope that’s just a temporary “we need more time to implement it properly” limitation.
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I mean maybe if you use stage manager you can’t simultaneously use an external monitor or vice versa
Stage manager is such a broken UX metaphor that I don't think it can be saved - however external monitors with split view + side over + fullscreen would be perfect for enhancing my productivity
This is irritating, the best part of stage manager was full monitor support that went along with it. Thanks, I now won't use the feature since I have a am 11 inch pro which IMO is so small for stage manager .
I don't think mirror is the word you want. Most iPads can already mirror - what you want is the ability to fully use a secondary display by using it as your primary or secondary desktop with fullscreen, split-vew, and slide-over.
Edit: Mirroring means the external display is limited to the same resolution as the iPad's built in display, which doesn't work well when trying to use a widescreen 5K external display.
Listening to consumer feedback is good. Following it is not always good and is sometimes just plain wrong. Apple is Apple in part because they have a point of view and they often stick to it. Not saying that in this instance the result is bad, but was it really unreasonable to have M-series iPads have a major feature that's not available on older iPads? Should M-series owners have been made to wait for external monitor support because Apple spent time pushing the Stage Manager feature down the product line? (assuming that those two things were actually tied like that). Unclear.
I’ve been trying it for over an hour now on my 2020 iPad Pro. It’s completely unusable. I turned it off and my iPad became usable again. Mail wouldn’t open and would springboard crash every time I pressed the icon.
Oh I'm definitely happy for the pro users I just really want Apple to treat the mini better. It's my preferred form factor and they keep taking baby steps to make it better (the 6 was by far the best refresh they did). I would gladly get a Mini Pro if they made it. It has the slower development cycle (usually iPhone features are added the following year to iPadOS) but it's many times on the exclusion list for new iPad features.
Criticism isn’t hate. Highlighting pros and cons and their possible reasons or non-reasons is part of an intelligent discussion. Expressing disappointment is just as valid as expressing excitement. People who are disappointed are disappointed because they care about Apple products. While there is a lot to like about Apple products, there’s also a lot of deficiencies and questionable design decisions, and of course matters of taste. And Apple’s way of communicating isn’t always helpful.
This math is nonsense. You can't just say 40 windows on 24GB works so 8 windows on 4GB should work. First of all that gives each window more RAM on the 24GB machine, and a lot of processes can share resources in that scenario with the much larger pool of memory, but it goes beyond that. Imagine the OS takes a couple GB just to be running. Losing 2GB barely makes a dent for the 24GB machine, but cuts usable RAM in half for the 4GB machine.