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from this video the waterproofing seems to be quite a bit beyond what it's rated for. By no means scientific, but seems to be pretty close to the S7 which is rated IP68.


It's apparent that the new iPhone exceeds IP 7, but Apple likely didn't seek certification of IP 8 because to go beyond IP 7, (30 minutes immersed at up to 1 meter) requires the manufacturer to state the depth beyond 1 meter the device can withstand up to 30 minutes, e.g., Samsung says it the S7 is good up to 1.5 meters, an inconsequential difference with the IP 7 standard, minimally rated 1 meter, but for marketing purposes it allows them to make the claim of the higher standard. Indeed, theoretically, if you were certified at a millimeter over 1 meter, a manufacturer can make the claim of meeting the higher standard.

Unlike Samsung, which is in the position of chasing Apple and feels pressured to make claims they can't always live up to, e.g., Consumer Reports testing, Apple has the luxury to "under promise and over deliver" and let the bloggers, test sites, etc., exclaim how the waterproofing is great and better even than Apple is touting. Voila!
 
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The Water-Resistant iPhone 7

Water damage not covered under warranty.


This is fun.

However, the iPhone 7 has got a specific waterproofing rating not to be exceeded. Deep sea photography is not covered, of course, and people has to be aware of this somehow, even if the disclaimer looks ridicolous displayed on an epic ad.
 
All iOS devices have capacitive screens.

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Not my quote Inigo.:)
 
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Anyone else think the 6s camera was more crisp with focus and speed? I'm finding it hard to get a good shot of my daughter, granted she is moving constantly, but that hasn't changed in the last 2 days...
 
A software update might improve camera quality, but as of now it is somewhat of a failure.
 
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water inside the device should demo be included under warranty then, it's not fair that water inside it voids the warranty:mad:
 
It's apparent that the new iPhone is exceeds IP 7, but Apple likely didn't seek certification of IP 8 because to go beyond IP 7, (30 minutes immersed at up to 1 meter) requires the manufacturer to state the depth beyond 1 meter the device can withstand up to 30 minutes, e.g., Samsung says it the S7 is good up to 1.5 meters, an inconsequential difference with the IP 7 standard, minimally rated 1 meter, but for marketing purposes it allows them to make the claim of the higher standard. Indeed, theoretically, if you were certified at a millimeter over 1 meter, a manufacturer can make the claim of meeting the higher standard.

Unlike Samsung, which is in the position of chasing Apple and feels pressured to make claims they can't always live up to, e.g., Consumer Reports testing, Apple has the luxury to "under promise and over deliver" and let the bloggers, test sites, etc., exclaim how the waterproofing is great and better even than Apple is touting. Voila!
In what sense does Samsung chase Apple? They already sell twice as many smart phones as Apple.
 
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Wow!

Those two iPhone ads are awesome.

There's something very compelling about this dark, emotional, but also inspiring vibe they're doing. It connects to a deeper place than other brands that are a afraid to do anything but smiling, dancing, perfect-looking young people on a rooftop.
 
I've been scanning Flickr and the web for iPhone 7 sample shots - you know, the 'real world' shots that people take, not the images of people taking photos in ads that you don't actually see the pics of....

From what I can see so far, the images do look 'sharper' with a wider color gamut.
However when you start to get in close the images suffer from that same awful 'smearing'.
It's really horrible.
No, you aren't going to see that on a tiny Instagram post but it sucks for those who want to enlarge and/or print big versions of their photos.

If you look at an image from a dedicated camera (I compared stills from a 24.2MP Sony a6300, an iPhone 6 Plus and an iPhone 7 Plus) the 'noise' when zoomed in close from the 24.2MP image is totally acceptable - it's more akin to film grain.
On the iPhone though it just looks like mush!

My iPhone 6 Plus' low-light photos have been OK in some cases but they all suffer from this 'pixel smearing' when you get in close or want to enlarge.
I suspect its the jpeg compression contributing to this so maybe the problem will be solved with RAW capture, not just on the iPhone 7 - any iPhone that has a 12MP camera can shoot in RAW mode. Several third party camera apps now support RAW capture including Pro Camera.

If in fact the RAW capture does eliminate this awful smearing then the iPhone 7 looks like a good shooter.
If not, then we are talking about a fairly unsubstantial camera upgrade.

Personally I would have preferred Apple to have concentrated on developing one camera that could shoot say 18MP in fine detail with no image artifacts than going down this dual camera route.
The ability to 'zoom' is cool but if you are shooting at a higher res you can crop in close without losing quality.
Cropping an 18MP still in 2x from a better camera would suffice over capturing it at 12MP on an average one.

Anyway - we need to see more actual full-res images from the iPhone 7, preferably in RAW format so we can judge - not just 'assume' from watching a TV ad.
 
In what sense does Samsung chase Apple? They already sell twice as many smart phones as Apple.

Ask Samsung who has been chasing Apple since the iPhone first came out. They were shameless in copying it almost exactly, even knowing they would later have to pay hundreds of millions in penalties for doing so.

No serious person would compare Samsung's volume of low end cheap cell phones to the iPhone. Apple and Samsung don't compete in that arena because that's not Apple is in business and Apple has no interest in making a cheap phone. They compete in the top end of smart phones. Samsung knows it and all the other manufacturers of cheap cell phones are in a race to the bottom where they all lose.

So that's why Samsung is logically and desperately chasing Apple because Apple is # 1 in that market and in the most recent year earned 92% of the profits of the entire industry, cheap phones included!. Let that sink in. Samsung's executives think about it every day, and on their way to work and home, and it's good for consumers.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458
 
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TJ 82 "Not convinced about the iPhone on the bars nonsense though because I know for a fact you can't use the touchscreen in any meaningful way when it's soaking wet. You need a capacitive screen for that, like on an Edge 1000.

But no way you'll get that on a modern smartphone. A new type of screen will need to be developed to satisfy all requirements.
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You must not use the great "Hey Siri" capabilities of your iPhone, and they have gotten even better with iOS 10. Try it, then you'll know a different fact.;)[/QUOTE]

Hey Siri, take photo?

Pretty much the only thing I use my phone for on a ride.
 
from this video the waterproofing seems to be quite a bit beyond what it's rated for. By no means scientific, but seems to be pretty close to the S7 which is rated IP68.
The comparison was not fair! Note 7 is the newer model. yes both Note 7 and S7 have the same certification, but that doesn't make them equal! Gear S3 is certified as IP68 also, but will definitely survive more underwater than the S7

Higher than IP68 it's IP69X (the highest water resistance certification)
 
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You must not use the great "Hey Siri" capabilities of your iPhone, and they have gotten even better with iOS 10. Try it, then you'll know a different fact.;)

Hey Siri, take photo?

Pretty much the only thing I use my phone for on a ride.[/QUOTE]


I thought you were concerned about how you couldn't use the screen when it was wet???? Well, at least now you can see that your worry about a wet screen is easily solved. Also, TJ, you are going to be excited as you learn how much you have been missing out on, and how much more powerful Siri is.
 
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a practical question :
how does the screen touch behave when it's covered in water / water drops ?
My Sony Xperia Z3 Compact, though waterproof, is not actually usable when wet. Water interferes with the screen capacitive touch feature, producing hectic ghost inputs all over the place (the android UI goes nuts). Nevertheless, sony phones having a dedicated physical side button to focus / take a picture in the camera app, Sony came up with a specific underwater mode which disables touch screen input in camera mode.

What's up with the iphone 7(+) on this subject ?
All you have to do is go watch one of the countless number of iPhone water-resistant videos on YouTube to get your answer. Lol
 
I've been scanning Flickr and the web for iPhone 7 sample shots - you know, the 'real world' shots that people take, not the images of people taking photos in ads that you don't actually see the pics of....

From what I can see so far, the images do look 'sharper' with a wider color gamut.
However when you start to get in close the images suffer from that same awful 'smearing'.
It's really horrible.
No, you aren't going to see that on a tiny Instagram post but it sucks for those who want to enlarge and/or print big versions of their photos.

If you look at an image from a dedicated camera (I compared stills from a 24.2MP Sony a6300, an iPhone 6 Plus and an iPhone 7 Plus) the 'noise' when zoomed in close from the 24.2MP image is totally acceptable - it's more akin to film grain.
On the iPhone though it just looks like mush!

My iPhone 6 Plus' low-light photos have been OK in some cases but they all suffer from this 'pixel smearing' when you get in close or want to enlarge.
I suspect its the jpeg compression contributing to this so maybe the problem will be solved with RAW capture, not just on the iPhone 7 - any iPhone that has a 12MP camera can shoot in RAW mode. Several third party camera apps now support RAW capture including Pro Camera.

If in fact the RAW capture does eliminate this awful smearing then the iPhone 7 looks like a good shooter.
If not, then we are talking about a fairly unsubstantial camera upgrade.

Personally I would have preferred Apple to have concentrated on developing one camera that could shoot say 18MP in fine detail with no image artifacts than going down this dual camera route.
The ability to 'zoom' is cool but if you are shooting at a higher res you can crop in close without losing quality.
Cropping an 18MP still in 2x from a better camera would suffice over capturing it at 12MP on an average one.

Anyway - we need to see more actual full-res images from the iPhone 7, preferably in RAW format so we can judge - not just 'assume' from watching a TV ad.

Can I ask, how do you search for photos on Flickr taken on just the iPhone 7 or 7 plus?
 
edit: ps. putting a lot of trust in that bike mount. that dude is NUTS for not having a case on that thing.

Exactly what I was thinking after my experience of my carbon fibre stem shattering mid ride and watching my iPhone (in a case thankfully) get launched off the mount when I hit the ground.
 
I'd like to see the photos and video that he took in the ad too. That way you wouldn't just see him using the camera at night and in the water, you'd see the results of it.
I cringed at the beginning of the video and said not again. But I'm thinking more when he start taking photo in portrait mode. It reminds of their previous ad that was christmas I think. Where the kid took video on portrait mode but the finish product was landscape.
 
In what sense does Samsung chase Apple? They already sell twice as many smart phones as Apple.
Surely, you're smarter than you made yourself look. Samsung makes DOZENS of phones per year. They sell flip phones still and phones up to nearly $1,000 in its highest configuration. Apple made 3 phones this year. Obviously, it doesn't take a mathematician to know Samsung's combined numbers will be higher. But take any one Samsung phone and put up its sales against the flagship iPhone of that year, and realize why you're literally being laughed at. At least act like you have the intellectual capacity to think critically.
 
Can I ask, how do you search for photos on Flickr taken on just the iPhone 7 or 7 plus?

Yes just search for iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus - it isn't always easy but you'll find them - also if the EXIF data is present it will show you the device the photos are from.
many time you'll just get promo images of the actual phone lol but keep searching!

Also in Flickr, under the 'Explore' tab, you can go to the 'Camera Finder' to search for photos shot by a certain camera although the iPhone 7 is not showing up in there yet.
 
It seems the Samsung Galaxy S7 beats the new iPhone 7 in the camera department: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHGV5YWFU2g.

"Beats" mean nothing, and Youtube clips mean even less. I'm waiting for an actual at least quasi scientific test, including some NOT on god damn tripods (like ones that actually simulate real life).
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Not trolling :
Is it even legal to advertise a feature which in case of defect isn't covered by the warranty ?

As long as it covers what is shown on screen, I'd say no.
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I've been scanning Flickr and the web for iPhone 7 sample shots - you know, the 'real world' shots that people take, not the images of people taking photos in ads that you don't actually see the pics of....

From what I can see so far, the images do look 'sharper' with a wider color gamut.
However when you start to get in close the images suffer from that same awful 'smearing'.
It's really horrible.
No, you aren't going to see that on a tiny Instagram post but it sucks for those who want to enlarge and/or print big versions of their photos.

If you look at an image from a dedicated camera (I compared stills from a 24.2MP Sony a6300, an iPhone 6 Plus and an iPhone 7 Plus) the 'noise' when zoomed in close from the 24.2MP image is totally acceptable - it's more akin to film grain.
On the iPhone though it just looks like mush!

My iPhone 6 Plus' low-light photos have been OK in some cases but they all suffer from this 'pixel smearing' when you get in close or want to enlarge.
I suspect its the jpeg compression contributing to this so maybe the problem will be solved with RAW capture, not just on the iPhone 7 - any iPhone that has a 12MP camera can shoot in RAW mode. Several third party camera apps now support RAW capture including Pro Camera.

If in fact the RAW capture does eliminate this awful smearing then the iPhone 7 looks like a good shooter.
If not, then we are talking about a fairly unsubstantial camera upgrade.

Personally I would have preferred Apple to have concentrated on developing one camera that could shoot say 18MP in fine detail with no image artifacts than going down this dual camera route.
The ability to 'zoom' is cool but if you are shooting at a higher res you can crop in close without losing quality.
Cropping an 18MP still in 2x from a better camera would suffice over capturing it at 12MP on an average one.

Anyway - we need to see more actual full-res images from the iPhone 7, preferably in RAW format so we can judge - not just 'assume' from watching a TV ad.

From what I seen of RAW, it does remove the softness.
But, calling this unsubstantial is nonsense.

What your asking requires a bigger sensor (thus thicker phone to fit optics) or you won't really get a more detailed picture, just one with more megapixels).
 
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