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These are good points and part of the reason I chose to buy my 2017 MacBook last month. I didn't want to wait for an upgrade that may not even show up in 2018 and could just turn out to be a CPU update to Amber Lake, which is nice, but not exactly game changing if the form factor remains the same (one USB-C port, 2nd gen keyboard). However I'd love to be surprised by Apple on this
I posted this elsewhere but figure it fits here too.

To deal with single USB-C port, I purchased a USB-C hub that does 4K 30 Hz HDMI and USB 3, and has charging passthrough. However, I found I rarely used it, partially because it's a relatively big and bulky device, and I didn't like carrying it around. Lately I just carry around on my keychain a tiny USB-C to USB-A adapter so I have it at all times. I generally don't have the need to have a USB 3 device plugged in all the time so having the machine unplugged from power for say 5-10 minutes at a time is not an issue for me.

For video, I sometimes may need the laptop plugged into HDMI for 1-2 hours at a time, so charging support is needed there. While admittedly, most of the time 1080p is sufficient, I still wanted to have the full 4K 60 Hz instead of the 30 Hz in the combo hub (esp. now that I have a 4K 60 Hz TV), so I also bought a dedicated 4K 60 Hz HDMI dongle with charging passthrough. I carry that as I need it, and not only does it have 60 Hz support, it's not as bulky as the other combo hub.

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Mind you, if Apple just gave us that second port, things would be simpler, even if it meant getting rid of the headphone jack. You can add add headphones via Bluetooth. You can't connect a monitor or a charger via Bluetooth.
[doublepost=1533058680][/doublepost]BTW, this is what Expose looks like on a 4K 60 Hz TV, driven by my Core m3 MacBook.


Occasionally Expose will stutter, but I've seen that on 1080p too, so I'm not sure it's a 4K performance issue. Usually Expose is smooth though, and the rest of the OS seems smooth too on 4K. Given that performance, for office type usage I could use this MacBook full time with a 4K monitor if necessary. (However, I don't need to, since on the desktop I use an iMac.)
 
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I think the keyboard is likely to be updated but after 3 years with one USB-C port I don’t think adding a second one is high on Apple’s priority list. If it had been an impediment to sales Apple would probably have done something about it in 2016 or 2017.

I wonder whether the single port is a limitation of the chipset, though. Apple might be using the SSIC M-PHY interface, which is only available on one of the USB interfaces (Lane 2) of the integrated chipset. SSIC is a low-power chip to chip on-PCB interconnect, and if Apple is using it to connect to the USB-C port driver chip they’d be limited to one port.
 
I just hope Apple announce new MacBook’s in September October wouldn’t be a massive problem but I’d like to see all the choices I have sooner. The rumoured 13” MacBook I’m hoping is also announced alongside any 12” MacBook updates so I can decide which one to get. Fingers crossed for a September announcement.
 
I just hope Apple announce new MacBook’s in September October wouldn’t be a massive problem but I’d like to see all the choices I have sooner. The rumoured 13” MacBook I’m hoping is also announced alongside any 12” MacBook updates so I can decide which one to get. Fingers crossed for a September announcement.

Don't be disappointed Dave. MacBook is due for a replacement next year, so we will see ARM in that maybe.
A super cheap 13" probably will be of no use to you coming from a MacBook Pro if it happens in Sept.October.

I'm sure that you can now see that waiting and waiting for a better laptop is really silly. When you need a computer buy one, wasting your precious time waiting for these things is so pointless. It's a throwaway tool at the end of the day.
 
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I just hope Apple announce new MacBook’s in September October wouldn’t be a massive problem but I’d like to see all the choices I have sooner. The rumoured 13” MacBook I’m hoping is also announced alongside any 12” MacBook updates so I can decide which one to get. Fingers crossed for a September announcement.
Rumors of a MacBook Air refresh persist, and given that Apple previously mentioned the non-Touch Bar MBP as the retina version of the MBA (and they’re both 15W CPUs) it does seem like a consolidation of the two similar models is in the cards.

But I haven’t been following things all that closely, is there a 13” MacBook also rumored, separate from the MBA refresh rumor? MacBook implies 5W CPU/fanless so I’m just wondering if it makes sense that Apple would introduce a 13” rMB when it would only be slightly larger than the 12” model they already have.

I could see a 14” or even 15”, but to have a rMB lineup with 12” and 13” models just seems a little undifferentiated and for the most part duplicative. Maybe they would cancel the 12” and replace it with a 13”?
 
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Don't be disappointed Dave. MacBook is due for a replacement next year, so we will see ARM in that maybe.
A super cheap 13" probably will be of no use to you coming from a MacBook Pro if it happens in Sept.October.

I'm sure that you can now see that waiting and waiting for a better laptop is really silly. When you need a computer buy one, wasting your precious time waiting for these things is so pointless. It's a throwaway tool at the end of the day.

That is true, a super cheap 13” would not be of use to me coming from my MacBook Pro 2011. To be fair the MacBook Pro has served me very well over the years, it saw me through university where I studied Television Production, editing video on it was brilliant back then (video editing is more of a hobby for me)

I hadn’t brought it for that purpose, in fact I didn’t even buy it for university since I didn’t go until 2012! Looking back on it I’m really glad I got it otherwise having to edit for university assignment’s would of been a nightmare. All things work out in the end :)

I get you’re point it is a throw away tool, one that I hope to keep for a few years, use for work and even some photo editing (another hobby of mine) in Affinity photo and Pixelmator :)
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Rumors of a MacBook Air refresh persist, and given that Apple previously mentioned the non-Touch Bar MBP as the retina version of the MBA (and they’re both 15W CPUs) it does seem like a consolidation of the two similar models is in the cards.

But I haven’t been following things all that closely, is there a 13” MacBook also rumored, separate from the MBA refresh rumor? MacBook implies 5W CPU/fanless so I’m just wondering if it makes sense that Apple would introduce a 13” rMB when it would only be slightly larger than the 12” model they already have.

I could see a 14” or even 15”, but to have a rMB lineup with 12” and 13” models just seems a little undifferentiated and for the most part duplicative. Maybe they would cancel the 12” and replace it with a 13”?

There have been multiple rumours from the very reliable Ming Chi Kuo and even Mark Gurman that Apple are planning a 13” budget laptop that will start at around £1000 at first he called it a cheaper MacBook Air but later changed that. Maybe they will reduce the price of the 12” MacBook and put this new 13” above it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ng/macbook-air-replaced-with-new-macbook/amp/

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/30/macbook-air-successor-may-use-kaby-lake-refresh/
 
That is true, a super cheap 13” would not be of use to me coming from my MacBook Pro 2011. To be fair the MacBook Pro has served me very well over the years, it saw me through university where I studied Television Production, editing video on it was brilliant back then (video editing is more of a hobby for me)

I hadn’t brought it for that purpose, in fact I didn’t even buy it for university since I didn’t go until 2012! Looking back on it I’m really glad I got it otherwise having to edit for university assignment’s would of been a nightmare. All things work out in the end :)

I get you’re point it is a throw away tool, one that I hope to keep for a few years, use for work and even some photo editing (another hobby of mine) in Affinity photo and Pixelmator :)
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There have been multiple rumours from the very reliable Ming Chi Kuo and even Mark Gurman that Apple are planning a 13” budget laptop that will start at around £1000 at first he called it a cheaper MacBook Air but later changed that. Maybe they will reduce the price of the 12” MacBook and put this new 13” above it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....ng/macbook-air-replaced-with-new-macbook/amp/

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/30/macbook-air-successor-may-use-kaby-lake-refresh/
Yeah I saw the article yesterday, which is why I replied to you!

The article says Apple will be using quad-core 15W U-series CPUs in the upcoming new 13” model, which means it will not be in the MacBook lineup, which uses the 5W Y-series parts.

But I’m not sure the rumor is correct; would Apple use a quad-core in a sub-$1,000 machine? It would far outperform the $1,299 12” MacBook, and the current $1,299 nTB MBP as well. Doesn’t really make sense for an entry level model.
 
There’s no room on the logic board for a separate TB3 controller chip, and it consumes over 2 watts of power; the CPU itself only draws 4.5 Watts. For these reasons TB3 is not expected until Intel integrates it, expected with Ice Lake. Seems like you’ll have to move to a Windows PC :(
That would be really sad. My MacBook 2015 is going rainbow pizza all the time, so I need to upgrade. I tried today the Lenovo carbon...

What pisses me off is that docking station collecting dust while waiting for TB3 on my desk
 
The article says Apple will be using quad-core 15W U-series CPUs in the upcoming new 13” model, which means it will not be in the MacBook lineup, which uses the 5W Y-series parts.
This is not necessarily the case. Microsoft Surface Pro 4 2017 was able to passively cool Core i5 15W. I understand that MB 13" will probably try to be thinner thus it will be harder to do but Apple can always set TDP down up to 10W which makes the task bearable. In the end IMHO it depends on what Apple wants and not what is possible or not in this case.
 
This is not necessarily the case. Microsoft Surface Pro 4 2017 was able to passively cool Core i5 15W. I understand that MB 13" will probably try to be thinner thus it will be harder to do but Apple can always set TDP down up to 10W which makes the task bearable. In the end IMHO it depends on what Apple wants and not what is possible or not in this case.
Fair point re: the CPU/TDP, but a 13” version of the $1,299 12” rMB would seem to be more like a $1,499 machine if Apple slots it into the MacBook lineup, not $999.

On the other hand, Apple already has a 13” retina version of the MBA in the nTB MacBook Pro—they just need to “de-pro” it for cost reduction. By using a non-P3, non-True Tone, less than retina screen (1920x1200 maybe); eliminating the alpine ridge TB3 chip and dropping to USB Gen 1 for the USB-C ports; and keeping SSD capacity at 128GB, they would have a shot at hitting a $999 price point. (They could also keep the 8GB max ram that segments it as a low price, entry level offering.)

Those changes would be tough to make if it were in the MacBook lineup, because a machine like that wouldn’t be consistent with the specs of its little brother, the 12” rMB (except for the ports). It would make a lot more sense to leave it on its own and continue calling it MacBook Air.

The current nTB MBP could continue as is, being a TB3-equipped, 13” P3 retina screen, 256GB SSD config, which would make sense at a $1,299 price point. It could move to quad-core when 8th generation 15W Iris graphics CPUs are released by Intel, maybe with a price bump to $1,399.
 
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Fair point re: the CPU/TDP, but a 13” version of the $1,299 12” rMB would seem to be more like a $1,499 machine if Apple slots it into the MacBook lineup, not $999.

On the other hand, Apple already has a 13” retina version of the MBA in the nTB MacBook Pro—they just need to “de-pro” it for cost reduction. By using a non-P3, non-True Tone, less than retina screen (1920x1200 maybe); eliminating the alpine ridge TB3 chip and dropping to USB Gen 1 for the USB-C ports; and lowering SSD capacity to 128GB, they would have a shot at hitting a $999 price point. (They could also keep the 8GB max ram that segments it as a low price, entry level offering.)

Those changes would be tough to make if it were in the MacBook lineup, because a machine like that wouldn’t be consistent with the specs of its little brother, the 12” rMB (except for the ports). It would make a lot more sense to leave it on its own and continue calling it MacBook Air.

The current nTB MBP could continue as is, being a TB3-equipped, 13” P3 retina screen, 256GB SSD config, which would make sense at a $1,299 price point. It could move to quad-core when 8th generation 15W Iris graphics CPUs are released by Intel, maybe with a price bump to $1,399.
It's clear that the non TB MacBook Pro is going otherwise, Apple would of simply fitted the third generation keyboard to it.
 
Ideally they should:
1) significantly reduce the price of the 12" rMB while reducing options (just 8 GB ram, only one processor specs, 512 GB SSD, etc)
2) price the 13" rMB a little higher than the 12" rMB
3) Introduce the 12" rMB pro with TB3 and full options such as 16 GB ram, full speed CPU, ... I would not mind if it would be a little thicker than it is today.
 
I just hope Apple announce new MacBook’s in September October wouldn’t be a massive problem but I’d like to see all the choices I have sooner. The rumoured 13” MacBook I’m hoping is also announced alongside any 12” MacBook updates so I can decide which one to get. Fingers crossed for a September announcement.

We have chatted about this before but with recent updates its worth revisiting. Now the base 13 TB is available and has a quad it blows everything away with better performance than last years 15" and is worth the extra weight, now an excelent compromise. The dual core non TB and TB 13" 2017 macbook pros were not worth buying over the 12" IMO but the new ones certainly are and they are in similar line of price to a well specced macbook.

If the thermal throttling issue is a worry, the macbook throttles pretty badly because it has no cooling at all. The 13" macbook pro is now valid of its title especially now it has 4 full speed ports. Now is an excellent time to buy one so I wouldnt be waiting around for a macbook announcement.

Im certainly very tempted to get rid of my macbook to get one but im going to wait and see what the 2018 iMacs are like. If they dont arrive or arent a big update I may just buy the base 15" 2.2 with the updated graphics ram and 1TB SSD and use it as a desktop docked and on the go. Because for my uses as a photographer and graphic designer it has all I need and I can integrate it into my current Mac pro set up but remove the Mac pro. On the other hand I am tempted by the 13 because of its size, quad to hex isnt going to be a huge difference for most unless your using it for computation, 3D rendering or video production. The quad still performs well and I have an RX580 I could add to the set up.

The line up is certainly looking far more interesting now. Even if they do release a new macbook it will follow the same form, they are unlikely to add more ports as thats the upsell to the macbook pro and it will cost more than the current macbook. No way they will make it bigger add more power and sell it for less, just not apples way.
 
We have chatted about this before but with recent updates its worth revisiting. Now the base 13 TB is available and has a quad it blows everything away with better performance than last years 15" and is worth the extra weight, now an excelent compromise. The dual core non TB and TB 13" 2017 macbook pros were not worth buying over the 12" IMO but the new ones certainly are and they are in similar line of price to a well specced macbook.

If the thermal throttling issue is a worry, the macbook throttles pretty badly because it has no cooling at all. The 13" macbook pro is now valid of its title especially now it has 4 full speed ports. Now is an excellent time to buy one so I wouldnt be waiting around for a macbook announcement.

Im certainly very tempted to get rid of my macbook to get one but im going to wait and see what the 2018 iMacs are like. If they dont arrive or arent a big update I may just buy the base 15" 2.2 with the updated graphics ram and 1TB SSD and use it as a desktop docked and on the go. Because for my uses as a photographer and graphic designer it has all I need and I can integrate it into my current Mac pro set up but remove the Mac pro. On the other hand I am tempted by the 13 because of its size, quad to hex isnt going to be a huge difference for most unless your using it for computation, 3D rendering or video production. The quad still performs well and I have an RX580 I could add to the set up.

The line up is certainly looking far more interesting now. Even if they do release a new macbook it will follow the same form, they are unlikely to add more ports as thats the upsell to the macbook pro and it will cost more than the current macbook. No way they will make it bigger add more power and sell it for less, just not apples way.

Yes we have not too long ago i think, but with Apple announcing the new MacBook Pro's (which was a surprise) i thought it was worth revisiting and maybe waiting to see what else they will update, after all September is only next month.

The quad core on the 13" is VERY tempting especially because i will be coming from a 2011 MacBook Pro, i'm not really worried too much about throttling as my main workflow will be writing (using Pages and Final Draft) web browsing and research within Safari, for my hobbies i will be using Final Cut Pro (mainly for 1080p video or some 4K footage from my iPhone X), Pixelmator and Affinity Photo for photo editing, this is usually only a few times a week and not an everyday kind of thing. Also light gaming every now and then but nothing too heavy, we are talking games like the Sims, Theme Hospital, Prison Architect but that is rare for me, usually a couple times a month as most my time is spent working.

If i were to pick up the 13" i think the 16GB Ram option is a must (everyone seems to think that) but i was wondering if the i7 was also worth it over the i5 processor.

My thinking was to wait until September - October time, Apple will have announced all of the Mac's by then it's at that time i can make final decision about which one to buy. IF the rumoured 13" MacBook is nothing more than a cheaper version with less specs and a cheaper screen (no P3 or true tone) and the 12" isn't given a big processor bump i will pick up a 13" and see how i get on with it especially since Apple give 14 days to return anything for any reason.
 
Yes we have not too long ago i think, but with Apple announcing the new MacBook Pro's (which was a surprise) i thought it was worth revisiting and maybe waiting to see what else they will update, after all September is only next month.

The quad core on the 13" is VERY tempting especially because i will be coming from a 2011 MacBook Pro, i'm not really worried too much about throttling as my main workflow will be writing (using Pages and Final Draft) web browsing and research within Safari, for my hobbies i will be using Final Cut Pro (mainly for 1080p video or some 4K footage from my iPhone X), Pixelmator and Affinity Photo for photo editing, this is usually only a few times a week and not an everyday kind of thing. Also light gaming every now and then but nothing too heavy, we are talking games like the Sims, Theme Hospital, Prison Architect but that is rare for me, usually a couple times a month as most my time is spent working.

If i were to pick up the 13" i think the 16GB Ram option is a must (everyone seems to think that) but i was wondering if the i7 was also worth it over the i5 processor.

My thinking was to wait until September - October time, Apple will have announced all of the Mac's by then it's at that time i can make final decision about which one to buy. IF the rumoured 13" MacBook is nothing more than a cheaper version with less specs and a cheaper screen (no P3 or true tone) and the 12" isn't given a big processor bump i will pick up a 13" and see how i get on with it especially since Apple give 14 days to return anything for any reason.

I'm thinking with the MacBook Pro 13" 16GB of RAM should be standard as it's nearly £2000.
I'd like one but there's no way on earth that I can spend £2K on something that ages badly after 3 years.
Think i'm going to get my keyboard replaced soon as certain letters don't work at times.
AppleCare is proving worth its money for me on the MacBook 12.
 
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I'm thinking with the MacBook Pro 13" 16GB of RAM should be standard as it's nearly £2000.
I'd like one but there's no way on earth that I can spend £2K on something that ages badly after 3 years.
Think i'm going to get my keyboard replaced soon as certain letters don't work at times.
AppleCare is proving worth its money for me on the MacBook 12.

Ages badly? You’re Keyboard will be fixed for free under the new Apple keyboard program, I think that counts even if you don’t have Apple Care.

Apple Care is usually worth the money for Mac anyway even if it’s just for peace of mind.
 
I'm thinking with the MacBook Pro 13" 16GB of RAM should be standard as it's nearly £2000.
I'd like one but there's no way on earth that I can spend £2K on something that ages badly after 3 years.
Think i'm going to get my keyboard replaced soon as certain letters don't work at times.
AppleCare is proving worth its money for me on the MacBook 12.

Ye they dont age badly unless your the most demanding user. The MBP will last a consumer at least 5 years. Like £400 per year... as for professionals its like one job... maybe one and a half. Although they are more expensive than 2015 they are inline with inflation and the MBP hasn't increased in price for 3 years. The current gen has solved all the problems with the newest design so is the safest bet currently. The base models perform the best and the upgrades are roughly 12-18% increases over base prices yet offer 2-7% performance increases across the board. Your mileage will vary.

Even if you decide to keep it 3 years and swap... £666 per year and you will probably sell it for £1000 in good condition so really its more like £333 per year. The base 2016 TB MBP is selling in the UK for around the 1100-1200 mark.

Im not sure if your aware of Apples memory compression algorithm which has been around since Mavericks but it essentially means (depending on situation) your ram capacity can be doubled. 8gbs gives you more like 16gb and 16 more like 32, worst case 50% more 8-12 16-24 etc. The SSDs are running at 3000mbs read and 1500 writes when it does swap and cache its unlikely any average user would notice the SSDs are like ram drives. This happens frequently on my 2015 macbook and I dont notice and the SSD is half the speed.

Its worth running activity monitor over a day and seeing what an average day is like before saying 16GB is necessary.

Im a photographer and graphic designer. I use Indesign, illustrator, photoshop, lightroom, after effects, premier, animate on the daily. Email is usually open, web browser, and apple music is usually on. I work on large indesign catalogs which can be 3-400 pages. With that lot open and swapping between I rarely surpass 32gb but thats with it all open.

For me I like an ultra book for the ability on the road and a desktop machine for heavy lifting. I am also more productive at a desk in a work style environment than I am with a laptop on the sofa etc

I have 48gbs in my mac pro and haven't used it all yet. I also have a windows workstation, windows has only recently implemented memory compression, it has 32gbs and that does hit it quite often. Some days I may have a project where I am solidly working on one task say a wedding, with lightroom, photoshop, web browsing, email and music I think 8gbs can work but 16gb is ideal in the mac ecosystem.

Just got to be realistic with that you do and the machines timescale. Apple has implemented tech to try and save you money and also get more from its hardware but these things are often unknown and it just creates more friction with users thinking 8gbs is disgusting as standard these days.

I think the main ball ache is the fact that the ram is soldered so in 3-5 years as the OS grows and apps become more hungry you cant add more which is where the friction is. Most apple users are probably on an upgrade cycle every 3-5 years anyway.

I always max machines and generally buy the latest and greatest. This time I decided to get the base macbook and tbh for what I need it for its been great and saved me more money, although I would like a newer machine im not that fussed. This is probably because the magic in macs has gone and really until this generation there has been barely anything worth talking about in the speed or development department. I wasn't impressed with the newer macbook pros in 2016 with the ports, £300 increase for the TB and how useful it is.

The 2018 is the first version of this iteration that deserves its name. Although the ports are best on earth it still doesnt change the fact that for ease you need a £300 dock for use as a desktop and myriad dongles when your out and about.

Its maybe not so bad for consumers because once you swap your USB 3 micro b to A cables out for USB C to Mircro B you can use all your old devices a twin USB stick (C and A in one) and maybe the odd dongle for HDMI etc but if your someone who travels, presents etc you need to cover yourself for any legacy port which means myriad cables in my experience 3rd party do it all dongles arent very reliable. At the end of the day this is life now and its less shocking just get on with it I suppose.

When I first got the macbook I didnt expect much and ive got to be honest it was a bit sh*t. The more the software has updated the more impressive its become for what it is. Its more capable now than it was when I bought it 3 years ago. Lets be fair the base 2015 is the slowest machine apple has released in a long time yet I use it for data management at events, culling etc quick edits and it handles it like a champ... geek bench is 2600 single and 4500 multi the quad macbook pro benches double single and triple multi... thats basically mac pro performance from a few years back its blistering for its footprint.

At the end of the day the Macbook is an excellent machine it can do everything the pro can in terms of making edits but when it comes to compute power to render anything, exporting video, photos from lightroom etc you cant get away from the fact its far more thermally constrained. Its now super fast in lightroom to make edits, its faster than my mac pro but importing 500 5DMKIV images and making 1-1 previews will take an hour my mac pro takes 10-12 mins, same with exports.

Its having the right machine for the right task. I use the Mac pro to make 1-1s to an external SSD and edit while im in the office but will take that drive with me and edit on the road and when I have finished will merge that catalog into my main library making a seamless workflow.

The MBP has been slated for its lack of thermal capacity but if you search out the same information for the macbook its not good reading it throttles significantly worse which is expected from fanless device. When you consider the i7 512 dual core macbook with one port is £1800 the quad macbook pro is £1950 your getting not only double the performance for 0.2lbs more weight but much better sustained performance for £150.

That may not be the case in 2-3 months but thats the current state of affairs which makes the macbook look ridiculously expensive. Make the same comparison with the 2017 top off the shelf 13 MBP and on paper there is only about a 10% difference in performance.
 
Ye they dont age badly unless your the most demanding user. The MBP will last a consumer at least 5 years. Like £400 per year... as for professionals its like one job... maybe one and a half. Although they are more expensive than 2015 they are inline with inflation and the MBP hasn't increased in price for 3 years. The current gen has solved all the problems with the newest design so is the safest bet currently. The base models perform the best and the upgrades are roughly 12-18% increases over base prices yet offer 2-7% performance increases across the board. Your mileage will vary.

Even if you decide to keep it 3 years and swap... £666 per year and you will probably sell it for £1000 in good condition so really its more like £333 per year. The base 2016 TB MBP is selling in the UK for around the 1100-1200 mark.

Im not sure if your aware of Apples memory compression algorithm which has been around since Mavericks but it essentially means (depending on situation) your ram capacity can be doubled. 8gbs gives you more like 16gb and 16 more like 32, worst case 50% more 8-12 16-24 etc. The SSDs are running at 3000mbs read and 1500 writes when it does swap and cache its unlikely any average user would notice the SSDs are like ram drives. This happens frequently on my 2015 macbook and I dont notice and the SSD is half the speed.

Its worth running activity monitor over a day and seeing what an average day is like before saying 16GB is necessary.

Im a photographer and graphic designer. I use Indesign, illustrator, photoshop, lightroom, after effects, premier, animate on the daily. Email is usually open, web browser, and apple music is usually on. I work on large indesign catalogs which can be 3-400 pages. With that lot open and swapping between I rarely surpass 32gb but thats with it all open.

For me I like an ultra book for the ability on the road and a desktop machine for heavy lifting. I am also more productive at a desk in a work style environment than I am with a laptop on the sofa etc

I have 48gbs in my mac pro and haven't used it all yet. I also have a windows workstation, windows has only recently implemented memory compression, it has 32gbs and that does hit it quite often. Some days I may have a project where I am solidly working on one task say a wedding, with lightroom, photoshop, web browsing, email and music I think 8gbs can work but 16gb is ideal in the mac ecosystem.

Just got to be realistic with that you do and the machines timescale. Apple has implemented tech to try and save you money and also get more from its hardware but these things are often unknown and it just creates more friction with users thinking 8gbs is disgusting as standard these days.

I think the main ball ache is the fact that the ram is soldered so in 3-5 years as the OS grows and apps become more hungry you cant add more which is where the friction is. Most apple users are probably on an upgrade cycle every 3-5 years anyway.

I always max machines and generally buy the latest and greatest. This time I decided to get the base macbook and tbh for what I need it for its been great and saved me more money, although I would like a newer machine im not that fussed. This is probably because the magic in macs has gone and really until this generation there has been barely anything worth talking about in the speed or development department. I wasn't impressed with the newer macbook pros in 2016 with the ports, £300 increase for the TB and how useful it is.

The 2018 is the first version of this iteration that deserves its name. Although the ports are best on earth it still doesnt change the fact that for ease you need a £300 dock for use as a desktop and myriad dongles when your out and about.

Its maybe not so bad for consumers because once you swap your USB 3 micro b to A cables out for USB C to Mircro B you can use all your old devices a twin USB stick (C and A in one) and maybe the odd dongle for HDMI etc but if your someone who travels, presents etc you need to cover yourself for any legacy port which means myriad cables in my experience 3rd party do it all dongles arent very reliable. At the end of the day this is life now and its less shocking just get on with it I suppose.

When I first got the macbook I didnt expect much and ive got to be honest it was a bit sh*t. The more the software has updated the more impressive its become for what it is. Its more capable now than it was when I bought it 3 years ago. Lets be fair the base 2015 is the slowest machine apple has released in a long time yet I use it for data management at events, culling etc quick edits and it handles it like a champ... geek bench is 2600 single and 4500 multi the quad macbook pro benches double single and triple multi... thats basically mac pro performance from a few years back its blistering for its footprint.

At the end of the day the Macbook is an excellent machine it can do everything the pro can in terms of making edits but when it comes to compute power to render anything, exporting video, photos from lightroom etc you cant get away from the fact its far more thermally constrained. Its now super fast in lightroom to make edits, its faster than my mac pro but importing 500 5DMKIV images and making 1-1 previews will take an hour my mac pro takes 10-12 mins, same with exports.

Its having the right machine for the right task. I use the Mac pro to make 1-1s to an external SSD and edit while im in the office but will take that drive with me and edit on the road and when I have finished will merge that catalog into my main library making a seamless workflow.

The MBP has been slated for its lack of thermal capacity but if you search out the same information for the macbook its not good reading it throttles significantly worse which is expected from fanless device. When you consider the i7 512 dual core macbook with one port is £1800 the quad macbook pro is £1950 your getting not only double the performance for 0.2lbs more weight but much better sustained performance for £150.

That may not be the case in 2-3 months but thats the current state of affairs which makes the macbook look ridiculously expensive. Make the same comparison with the 2017 top off the shelf 13 MBP and on paper there is only about a 10% difference in performance.

My MacBook Pro 2011 has lasted up until now, granted for the past year or so i haven't been able to do things like edit in Final Cut Pro X, even just as a hobby editing 1080p it's slow and drops frames. That being said it has been by far the best laptop i've EVER owned (prior to getting it in 2011 i was a Windows user) it saw me through university (studied TV Production which involved some editing for assignments) and my first writing job/start of my career.

As for 16GB Ram, i didn't know that, i've always been lead to believe that getting more Ram is better. I have noticed that in activity monitor on my current MacBook Pro 2011 which has 8GB Ram it doesn't go above 7.36GB that's the most i've ever seen it at with everything open (which i rarely do) including iMove, Final Cut, Pages, Safari with a number of tabs open. For future proofing do you not think it's best to get 16GB? the current usage on my iMac 2012 which has 16GB Ram is less than 16GB, in fact i don't think it's ever met 16GB (see screen shot attached)

The MacBook Pro 13" is probably the better option at the moment, maybe the updates to the 12" MacBook will close that gap later this year?
What might make even more of a better bang for the buck so to speak is the discount i can get:

13" MacBook Pro
  • 2.3GHz quad-core 8th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
  • Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
  • Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655
  • 8GB 2133MHz LPDDR3 memory
  • 512GB SSD storage1
  • Retina display with True Tone
  • Touch Bar and Touch ID
  • Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
£1,832.40

the upgrade options are also discounted, for example the 16GB Ram option is £169.20, the core i7 processor is £254.40

The MacBook is:

  • 1.3GHz dual-core 7th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
  • Turbo Boost up to 3.2GHz
  • 8GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 memory
  • 512GB SSD storage1
  • Intel HD Graphics 615
  • Keyboard with second-generation butterfly mechanism
£1,455.60
 

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My MacBook Pro 2011 has lasted up until now, granted for the past year or so i haven't been able to do things like edit in Final Cut Pro X, even just as a hobby editing 1080p it's slow and drops frames. That being said it has been by far the best laptop i've EVER owned (prior to getting it in 2011 i was a Windows user) it saw me through university (studied TV Production which involved some editing for assignments) and my first writing job/start of my career.

As for 16GB Ram, i didn't know that, i've always been lead to believe that getting more Ram is better. I have noticed that in activity monitor on my current MacBook Pro 2011 which has 8GB Ram it doesn't go above 7.36GB that's the most i've ever seen it at with everything open (which i rarely do) including iMove, Final Cut, Pages, Safari with a number of tabs open. For future proofing do you not think it's best to get 16GB? the current usage on my iMac 2012 which has 16GB Ram is less than 16GB, in fact i don't think it's ever met 16GB (see screen shot attached)

The MacBook Pro 13" is probably the better option at the moment, maybe the updates to the 12" MacBook will close that gap later this year?
What might make even more of a better bang for the buck so to speak is the discount i can get:

13" MacBook Pro
  • 2.3GHz quad-core 8th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
  • Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
  • Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655
  • 8GB 2133MHz LPDDR3 memory
  • 512GB SSD storage1
  • Retina display with True Tone
  • Touch Bar and Touch ID
  • Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
£1,832.40

the upgrade options are also discounted, for example the 16GB Ram option is £169.20, the core i7 processor is £254.40

The MacBook is:

  • 1.3GHz dual-core 7th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
  • Turbo Boost up to 3.2GHz
  • 8GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 memory
  • 512GB SSD storage1
  • Intel HD Graphics 615
  • Keyboard with second-generation butterfly mechanism
£1,455.60

I wouldn't say the 16gbs is a bad upgrade I was meaning that if you want to save £200 its worth checking your workflow. If you do use it its beyond worth it.

In difference between the macbook i7 and i5 is clock speed, through geekbench it seems a good upgrade. In reality on sustained load the i7 clocks itself down to i5 speeds so they perform very similarly in cinebench tests just like the 15 does because of thermal constraints. Again £254 is a costly upgrade for similar performance, 2-3% increase in real world for 12% increase in cost.

In this iteration I would leave all the models with base CPU and upgrade ram and ssd.

All these costs include the discount, which seems to be standard employee discount (perkbox etc) if you could bag Edu discount its far better.

The issue is when you add the ram and 1TB SSD its £2400. The base 15" is far more powerful and when you consider it has dedicated graphics and the performance is double, you get another 50% boost with the hex core, 16gbs of ram its £200 cheaper at £2208! Add the 512gb SSD and its still cheaper than the 13" at £2377. This is the best value and power for the money by far, the 13" is a weight saving but its significantly slower and lacking in graphics performance in comparison.

Again the issue is weight, I have toyed with swapping everything out for the base 15 with 32gb 1TB 560X. Means I can use it as a desktop and on the go but I have a feeling going from 12 to 15 I will hate it.

13" is the sweet spot if you can stomach the fact you get so much more in the 15" for similar if not less money.

This is worth a watch... showing that there is almost 0 difference between the i7s and i9s in the 15"


also so is this that shows the differences between the 13 and 15.


Theres a reason that there are no 12" comparisons because they arent in the same league anymore unlike the 2017 models.

At the end of the day cinebench scores for the 2017 macbook m3 are in the 260s range the M5 isnt much better and the M7 again because of throttling and fan cooling. The 2018 13" macbook pro is in the 680s and the base 15 is in the 1000s there is a huge huge difference.

When you see the 13" base macbook is pulling 161% more performance than the base macbook for 20% more money or £377 more its an absolute no brainer to me.

Worth doing some calculations to break it down shows how much better these new machines are.

The top end 13" off the shelf MBP with the 16gbs, 512 for £2001 seems like a pretty decent compromise.
 
I wouldn't say the 16gbs is a bad upgrade I was meaning that if you want to save £200 its worth checking your workflow. If you do use it its beyond worth it.

In difference between the macbook i7 and i5 is clock speed, through geekbench it seems a good upgrade. In reality on sustained load the i7 clocks itself down to i5 speeds so they perform very similarly in cinebench tests just like the 15 does because of thermal constraints. Again £254 is a costly upgrade for similar performance, 2-3% increase in real world for 12% increase in cost.

In this iteration I would leave all the models with base CPU and upgrade ram and ssd.

All these costs include the discount, which seems to be standard employee discount (perkbox etc) if you could bag Edu discount its far better.

The issue is when you add the ram and 1TB SSD its £2400. The base 15" is far more powerful and when you consider it has dedicated graphics and the performance is double, you get another 50% boost with the hex core, 16gbs of ram its £200 cheaper at £2208! Add the 512gb SSD and its still cheaper than the 13" at £2377. This is the best value and power for the money by far, the 13" is a weight saving but its significantly slower and lacking in graphics performance in comparison.

Again the issue is weight, I have toyed with swapping everything out for the base 15 with 32gb 1TB 560X. Means I can use it as a desktop and on the go but I have a feeling going from 12 to 15 I will hate it.

13" is the sweet spot if you can stomach the fact you get so much more in the 15" for similar if not less money.

This is worth a watch... showing that there is almost 0 difference between the i7s and i9s in the 15"


also so is this that shows the differences between the 13 and 15.


Theres a reason that there are no 12" comparisons because they arent in the same league anymore unlike the 2017 models.

At the end of the day cinebench scores for the 2017 macbook m3 are in the 260s range the M5 isnt much better and the M7 again because of throttling and fan cooling. The 2018 13" macbook pro is in the 680s and the base 15 is in the 1000s there is a huge huge difference.

When you see the 13" base macbook is pulling 161% more performance than the base macbook for 20% more money or £377 more its an absolute no brainer to me.

Worth doing some calculations to break it down shows how much better these new machines are.

The top end 13" off the shelf MBP with the 16gbs, 512 for £2001 seems like a pretty decent compromise.

I'm going to be waiting until at least next month anyway, the Apple event is likely to be in the second week (probably around the 11th-12th September) so it really isn't that long, especially considering how long i've already taken waiting and deciding. Part of me really want's Apple to give the 12" MacBook a big update but other half isn't bothered because i know i can just buy the MacBook Pro.

I have a 12.9" iPad Pro that i use for Affinity Photo, Pixelmator (a hobby of mine) drawing, taking handwritten notes and watching Netflix and Youtube videos. I don't really want to replace it because i love my iPad Pro, it's a brilliant tablet BUT i have been thinking that doing some of the Pixelmator stuff would be good with the Touch Bar. I do think that getting a 12" MacBook would probably work well in conjunction with my iPad Pro 12.9" but i'm also guessing the 13" MacBook Pro would also so either way there are no losses.

If only Apple built a device that put my iPad Pro workflow and Mac work flow together it would solve so much hassle and headache. Add MacOS to that mix and Apple would have a winner right there.

Considering the 13" now has quad core processor i would of thought that it would be the best option for most. The 15" is probably a good option in terms of getting the most bang for the buck BUT only if you're going to use that much power i doubt that i would, my work flow is as follows:

Writing - the main thing i do ie spend hours sat in front of my Mac writing using Pages and Final Draft software.
Safari - a few tabs open for research and general web browsing
Netflix - ONLY SOMETIMES has i mainly use my iPad Pro 12.9" for that
Edit - Video in Final Cut Pro 1080p only (as a hobby)
Photo edits - occasionally in Photo's app (as i mainly use my iPad Pro 12.9" for photo editing at the moment)

That's really about it, i do play the odd game but it really isn't very often (about once a month) as i now spend most of my time working these days.

So i really wouldn't say that my workload is heavy enough to warrant the 6-core processor and bigger 15" MacBook Pro.
[doublepost=1533210636][/doublepost]Does anyone wonder why Apple didn't just update all of the Mac's together similar to last year? they put out the new MacBook Pro's with a BIG update but left the rest of the line-up hanging. Unless there are going to be any redesigns i'm not sure why they are waiting, i would love to see what Apple have in store for the 12" MacBook this year before i finally click the buy button :D

I'm guessing we will find out next month (September) if it's just a spec update will Apple even announce it on stage or just update them after the keynote with accessories like the Airpower Mat and new AirPods.

Even if it's a spec update with the processor are we talking BIG gains like with the MacBook Pro's? also am i the only one that would like to see the True Tone display and maybe a 1TB option on the MacBook?
 
Fair enough, I think what would be more appealing to me is a mid tier like a 15" style macbook that has the thin and light qualities and the screen real estate. This would probably have a similar weight to the 13". The possibility of a quad would be awesome.

The fact is, currently if you want a large laptop for the screen you have to pay £2200 which is crazy and you get all that power that many dont need, the screen makes the experience and the weight determines the portability. I love the 12 for its form factor but you cant get away from the fact its a tiny display.

Who determined that large screens are only for heavy users?

TBH the macbook is ideal for you as long as you dont mind waiting for rendering. At the same time that 161% more performance for 20% more money... hard to pass up. The other thing worth considering is your needs going forward can you see your needs increasing? Will you need more power in the years to come?

I certainly couldn't do all my work on the macbook but it complements my workflow with a workstation.

It is a shame that apple hasn't adopted the market they created and made it a professional option. The iPad has so many good qualities yet is so restricted by IOS and the lack of a file system. I think a mac 2-in-1 would be amazing. I would love the pen capability in the 12" ipad size with a proper OS and heavy weight apps like full fat photoshop and lightroom.

Its such a tactile experience compared to using an external tablet with a desktop.

Anyway no point wishing its clear the direction apple is going and Craig made it perfectly clear at WWDC this was not an option.

Apple is making it clear that the Pro market is a niche and they are leaving the space or creating products lacking pro support. The newest sales figures show the market has fallen and there is no other explanation for apple except the industry is shrinking. Not the fact every product but the iMac pro was over a year old with some being 3 and as far as 6 years out of date... what do they expect?

Im not sure whats going on as the share price is the highest its ever been, services are proping up hardware. There is only so long that they can make the figures stick. With all the money they have I dont understand the lack of direction and product refresh.

Sometimes you have to offer a product in a range so others can exisit and continue to thrive. That is the mac, the only reason the i business is so big is because the pros made the apps on the apple hardware. Now more and more pros have moved to windows... etc etc

Feels like they have lost the plot and something big will have to happen for them to wake up. Obviously none of this beneficial to any of us.
 
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TBH the macbook is ideal for you as long as you dont mind waiting for rendering. At the same time that 161% more performance for 20% more money... hard to pass up. The other thing worth considering is your needs going forward can you see your needs increasing? Will you need more power in the years to come?

I certainly couldn't do all my work on the macbook but it complements my workflow with a workstation.

I don’t waiting for rendering as it’s something I don’t do too often anyway, if I wanted quicker rendering or a much bigger screen I could use my 2012 iMac 27” at home, it’s 6 years old but at the moment it’s still going (will probably update it when Apple launch a redesign)

I know Craig said no at WWDC and it was a firm no but I do think Apple are missing out by not releasing a Surface style of device, I’m not saying they need to put touch screen on MacBook’s or their desktops BUT they could create a separate device that appeals to those who want such functionality. With such a device I could replace my iPad Pro and MacBook Pro is one device, now that would be great! Yes I would still keep an iMac as I love working at my desk as well as being portable.

Apple really should update the 12” MacBook along with all the other Mac’s soon, unless they have a redesign or something big that’s worth talking about why wait until the September keynote?
 
Its more the fact they wont add a touch interface to Mac OS so it wont happen any time soon. I think the fact the surface hasn't exactly been a game changer supports this too. Although great devices they have not taken any significant margin which is a shame. They arent very reliable either and support isnt exactly the strong suit especially here in the UK, the price is also prohibitive in the PC world... i doubt resale is like the mac.

I wish I was that optimistic. No apple product has wowed me or had me at "must have" for ages. The last really exciting product for me is when the 11" macbook air got i7s and a 512 SSD. It was as powerful as the macbook pro in a netbook form factor that was back in 2013. Before that the iPhone 4... then there was the "your holding it wrong" antenna issue so I waited for the 4s which is probably my fav iPhone of all time. Struggling to think of anything past these. The retina iMac is cool but my mac pro was far better than it even when it was announced. Graphics options still arent powerful enough for that display.

Its also the problem that processors have not improved, old hardware is still working and the fact my 2010 mac pro is still supported shows how good they are or how little things have moved on. When I bought it I assumed I would buy the next gen... and they dropped the 2013 mac pro... cant innovate my ass... ffs.

So little has changed in improvement in speed that Apple has purposefully added obsolescence to a stupid degree. You cant just make your computer last that little longer with ram or a new HDD. Cant put a new battery in it... Once you hit one wall you hit all which basically makes your device a brick. Too expensive to repair and too old to justify it. It either makes people spend more than they need (like half the argument in this thread) or people upgrade faster. Both better for Apple both worce for us as consumers.

Its a mature market and I suppose everyone expects so much now that disappointment is a factor.

That is quite far along statement, I think im even less optimistic because they just dont update anything anymore. People just seem to wait and wait... and Apple dont seem to be overly bothered. Its beyond arrogance, then when they do its a sh*t show of issues because testing has been almost non existent or that they have pushed product obsolescence so far that parts of the laptop last less than the 12 month warranty. iMac pro issues, macbook pro keyboard, throttlegate etc etc

3 years to admit the keyboard was sh*t.

Hard to have faith anything is coming. September is the iPhone, iWatch, iPad and IOS event, doubt they would announce macs. October could been on the cards like the 2016 TB macbook pro was announced but its not a calendar item. Possibly because the new macbook pro was a silent announcement that may give people hope as it was a big update yet they didnt sing and dance, might mean there are other products to announce.

Otherwise its a spring event... If you've got patients for that then all play to you!
 
Its more the fact they wont add a touch interface to Mac OS so it wont happen any time soon. I think the fact the surface hasn't exactly been a game changer supports this too. Although great devices they have not taken any significant margin which is a shame. They arent very reliable either and support isnt exactly the strong suit especially here in the UK, the price is also prohibitive in the PC world... i doubt resale is like the mac.

I wish I was that optimistic. No apple product has wowed me or had me at "must have" for ages. The last really exciting product for me is when the 11" macbook air got i7s and a 512 SSD. It was as powerful as the macbook pro in a netbook form factor that was back in 2013. Before that the iPhone 4... then there was the "your holding it wrong" antenna issue so I waited for the 4s which is probably my fav iPhone of all time. Struggling to think of anything past these. The retina iMac is cool but my mac pro was far better than it even when it was announced. Graphics options still arent powerful enough for that display.

Its also the problem that processors have not improved, old hardware is still working and the fact my 2010 mac pro is still supported shows how good they are or how little things have moved on. When I bought it I assumed I would buy the next gen... and they dropped the 2013 mac pro... cant innovate my ass... ffs.

So little has changed in improvement in speed that Apple has purposefully added obsolescence to a stupid degree. You cant just make your computer last that little longer with ram or a new HDD. Cant put a new battery in it... Once you hit one wall you hit all which basically makes your device a brick. Too expensive to repair and too old to justify it. It either makes people spend more than they need (like half the argument in this thread) or people upgrade faster. Both better for Apple both worce for us as consumers.

Its a mature market and I suppose everyone expects so much now that disappointment is a factor.

That is quite far along statement, I think im even less optimistic because they just dont update anything anymore. People just seem to wait and wait... and Apple dont seem to be overly bothered. Its beyond arrogance, then when they do its a sh*t show of issues because testing has been almost non existent or that they have pushed product obsolescence so far that parts of the laptop last less than the 12 month warranty. iMac pro issues, macbook pro keyboard, throttlegate etc etc

3 years to admit the keyboard was sh*t.

Hard to have faith anything is coming. September is the iPhone, iWatch, iPad and IOS event, doubt they would announce macs. October could been on the cards like the 2016 TB macbook pro was announced but its not a calendar item. Possibly because the new macbook pro was a silent announcement that may give people hope as it was a big update yet they didnt sing and dance, might mean there are other products to announce.

Otherwise its a spring event... If you've got patients for that then all play to you!

My optimism for a 12” MacBook update and even the announcement of a new 13” MacBook is based on the often reliable Ming Chi Kuo and Mark Gurman, the last report from Ming did say that Apple will be updating the 12” with a spec update as well as introducing a a new 13” “budget Mac” that will probably not appeal to me if it’s not got Retina and so on.

The iPhone will be in September it usually is along with Apple Watch, they will probably also announce the new iPad Pro’s and maybe give a date for AirPower Mat and the new AirPods. If all they are doing is announcing a new budget 13” and spec updates to the current 12” MacBook then I don’t see them doing an event just for that.

Ming Chi Kuo did say that they will also be updating the iMac with “significant display technology” whatever that means.

I can wait until next month as it’s only a few weeks away (probably about 6 weeks) but I very much doubt I will wait until next year as I want a new MacBook soon.
 
Maybe but those rumors came out in Jan... the airpower mat was announced a year ago...

The fact there has been 0 rumors for an Oct event or any leaks what so ever even part numbers for any components at all make me jubious anything is happening. Have a look at the iphone rumors already.
 
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